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I do care about it, and I think the action by governments on reducing emissions has been pretty lacking.

It's not like tribal people didn't have their own problems, too. Finding food, finding shelter, illness and injury being just some of them. The average life expectancy in pre-historic times was under 30. Even in ancient Roman culture, it was under 30. [1] I don't really know who had more stress, but one things for sure, we both had different things to worry about. I think a perspective check would make many of our stresses seem petty and rather inconsequential. I'd definitely live post the industrial revolution, myself.

I wouldn't call math a science. If it doesn't propose testable hypotheses then it can't be. Not that this makes it any less important or anything. Many scientific hypotheses are in fact tested by using maths (statistics).

I, Colossus by A Different Breed of Killer. Loving this album right now. If only they left off the stupid intro/outro tracks. I don't care if the record is 32 minutes instead of 35 or whatever.

I've got no problem with it at all. It might be a bit wierd in the middle of a resteraunt or something, but really, adults should be able to deal with seeing something which is perfectly natural anyway. If it's so bad, then look away.

Not me. The only time I can remember starting to really enjoy music was with the whole nu-metal thing (Limp Bizkit, Korn, etc). Add bands like RATM, APC and Tool into the mix and those are the kind of things I originally got into. These days I'm much less into the nu-metal movement and more into all kinds of death metal. Mind you I like lots of other kinds of music as well - rock, prog rock, alternative rock/metal, some metalcore and some singer-songwriter/folk/indie type stuff. I think pop music is one of the few genres that I've never had any genuine interest in. The others are hip-hop and country, but I wouldn't mind checking out some of the oldschool hip-hop classics like Public Enemy, etc...

In Absentia by Porcupine Tree (album). Awesome prog rock. :thumbup:

Organic Hallucinations by Decapitated (album). Some seriously awesome tech-death. I wouldn't rate it quite as good as Winds of Creation, but it is different. I'm always happy when bands produce different, yet still great albums.

Try Extortion.

Degenerate by Extortion: In Absentia by Porcupine Tree: Organic Hallucinosis by Decapitated: Riot! by Paramore:

I definitely don't agree with something so drastic. I think this is one of the cases where figureheads in the media will claim things to get a story out of it. Australia losing a cricket series? No! Let's sack half the team! I think you're right, Jem. We're not winning this one because we've just been matched. Now that we have some good competition (SA + India), we can't expect to win every game, or every series for that matter. Cutting half the team is the last thing we need right now to get back on top.

Considering he used the pejorative "mallcore" (which isn't even a real genre), I'd say he's the kind of person to deride metalcore because it's metalcore. I never understood that attitude... I know of some great metal, and a little bit of great hardcore punk, and putting the two together doesn't automatically make bad metalcore.

I've got serious doubts that we can win this test match now. We have two days to get a decent total and bowl them out as well. Based on our effort today and the fact that Lee is now out, I don't think we've got it in us right now.

Covenant by Morbid Angel (album). Loving Pete Sandoval's blasts. :thumbup:

Winds of Creation by Decapitated (album).

This is what I'm taking. I have a pretty bad memory which screws me with science, especially tests. I don't have a great memory either... but over the last year I got into the habit of studying. No doubt you'd know this, but it really works. Just set some time aside and memorise key concepts by writing/typing them out and then reading over them. Just don't get into the habit that my onetime lab partner did: constantly saying "I'm no good at tests" while doing nothing to try and solve the problem. A negative mentality like that isn't conducive to improvement at all.

Apparantly he did: http://www.interferenza.net/bcs/interw/florida.htm

My favourite is biology, but what I'm studying involves some chemistry too (biochemistry, molecular biology). It's all good stuff, though.

Almost as funny as the pointless nature of half your posts. To get their job, maybe. That's why the state effectively pays the bills for those students while they're in training. Actually performing the job itself though? I'll confess, being a doctor, or a lawyer, or any other professional job can be incredibly stressful, but does that really justify those people earning up to $150,000+ a year more than the bagger we've been talking about? That bagger still has to undergo training, and can be fired just as easily as anyone else. He still has to follow instructions, and do laborious menial work day-in, day-out. He still has to get up at 7 in the morning to start work at 9, and work 42 hours a week full time. I really cannot see much difference in the actual effort required between the two jobs there. Hence we come to a very sinister conclusion - the only reason they earn that much is because of how reliant we are on them, and thus how much power they hold over us. A problem which recurs everytime contracts are renewed in the NHS. A "little bit"? $150Ks worth of fun? That's some damn expansive whiskey. You also avoid one major flaw in the system of self-perpetuating worth in individuals through universities. Only those with refined ability can access universities, or else the whole system becomes a joke and university becomes nothing more than an extension to basic eduction. Under your system, the rich continue to go to the best universities since they can afford the best tuition, the poor go to worse universities and thus, the gap between rich and poor becomes wider because social mobility stops. There's nothing wrong with rewarding more difficult jobs with higher wages, since they require more responsibility (and that's what wages should be in correlation with), but at least accept that the rich by their very nature already have an advantage in the education system, so giving them yet more advantage with excessively high wages later on in life is unfair. Of course the rich have an advantage in the education system, and to an extent capitalism will perpetuate that through the generations. That's not to say that the poor can't make something for themselves if they work hard, though. All I've been doing is arguing against pure communism and It seems that got lost in the thread somewhere. I've also purposefully avoided putting figures on the jobs in question because that opens a whole other can of worms. Perhaps me saying that capitalism isn't perfect and I favour a bit of socialism was lost somewhere too. I don't know where you get that university is for the rich, either. I'm middle class (and am lucky enough to have my fees payed for me), and most of my friends have to pay their own fees or will end up with a nice big hecs debt when they leave. I remember just the other day going to a uni friend's party, and their place was old and run-down. These aren't exactly rich people, not that it matters to me or anything. If you want my opinion, I think uni should be free like it was when my dad got his education.

You'd prefer not existing to being bored? Oh come on. Having the inability to think is freaky. Sure, nonexistence wouldn't be too bad, primarily because you couldn't experience it, but I would rather be bored and still able to ponder my boredom. I'm going to agree with Perakp here. I think I'd rather just ending at some point rather than living for eternity. Without a doubt I'd be bored and after a period of time I'd have nothing more to do. There's nothing freaky about the inability to think/eternal nothingness as far as I'm concerned. To me living forever with no way out would be much more freaky.

I don't understand. Why should the amount of time one has spent at university have any bearing whatsoever on the amount of money you earn later on in life? As far as I'm aware, people receive wages so they can afford to live. No amount of time spent at university changes the basic social security needs of that person in any way, thus, why it should even be brought up in this debate is beyond me. Secondly, universities are not vocational training centres. Students go to university to expand their area of specialty, and to learn how to study other specialties for themselves. Not so they can land themselves on £30K+ jobs later. If we're using the analogy of a doctor, I'd go as far to argue only going to university to study Medicine in order to earn more than a 'lowly' bagger later on in life is exactly the sort of attitude a doctor should not have, given they'll be forced to treat that bagger in exactly the same way they'd treat a noble in their occupation. If a doctor is only motivated by money, and this is his/her only incentive for putting themselves through ten years of training, and they also look down on others for 'not working as hard as them', they'd make a [bleep] poor doctor anyway. In essence, what this debate between me and you boils down to this: Should people choose your Utopian society where only the few who go to university earn the majority amount of wealth; or my Utopian society where everyone, in theory at least, receives their fair share from society, regardless of how much time they've spent pruning themselves in the ivory towers of university? The amount of training required should have some bearing on salary because effort should be proportional to reward for that effort. Sorry, I can't boil it down any more than that. We've been using the analogy of the doctor and the grocery bagger so far. The ideal situation in respect to this scenario is that the doctor earns more because he put in more of an effort to get their job than the bagger did. Wages aren't only for needs or necessities, either - they are for a little bit of fun, too. Obviously money shouldn't be your only motivation to do become a doctor because as you rightly say that's not exactly equitable to being a good doctor. I'm training to be a scientist, and if I were motivated by money I would have trained to be a tradesman like my brother. He has his own company and will more than likely earn more money than I will. Still, I love what I do and I'm really motivated to try and help society with my skills when I graduate and get a job. I think it would be nice to earn a decent living for myself while doing it, though. Edit: Seeing as you brought up the so-called ivory towers of university, I suppose I should say that I don't mind in the slightest that my brother will potentially be earning more than me. He did a 3 year apprenticeship and worked hard to get where he is, so he deserves what he gets.

Decapitated.

That's still very present in capitalism too. I could respond in a similar way I did before, but there's not much use to that. What I do want to hear is what you think would be better in terms of fairness - Capitalism or Communism.

Are you going to answer me directy or is "get bent" about as enlightening as it gets? For you to presume that other people with outwardly genuine feelings about something are all BSing is absurd, and it only makes you out to sound bitter and twisted about your own experiences. I have an idea for you. Every time you, sonerohi, ever say that you're happy, I'll deride your claim by calling it BS. Because clearly, I know the way around your banal, bitter little thought processes better than you do. If you would read my post, sir jackass, you'd see that I said it's their deal if people actually feel that way. What I said was it pisses me off for the warm fuzzy people trying to feel overly important for something like simple deskwork. You are perfectly allowed to feel happy, but when you try to go around glorifying your volunteer work is when it pisses me off. You're right, actually. I was angry and didn't read your second post propoerly, all I really took notice of was "get bent". Sorry about that.

Are you going to answer me directy or is "get bent" about as enlightening as it gets? For you to presume that other people with outwardly genuine feelings about something are all BSing is absurd, and it only makes you out to sound bitter and twisted about your own experiences. I have an idea for you. Every time you, sonerohi, ever say that you're happy, I'll deride your claim by calling it BS. Because clearly, I know the way around your banal, bitter little thought processes better than you do.