Sorry, I wasn't clear with what I was typing, I am confusing. Yes, I knew Flip was only 30fps, that's what I was trying to convey with my horribly confusing message. :P Let me go a little bit more indepth with frame rate. Your frame rate is how fast each frame is captured and flashed in front of your eyes. Standard broadcasting is 30 fps (or 30 images a second). A film is shot in 24fps, so there is less images being flashed in front of your eyes giving you a film like feature and feeling to your movie. 60p means 60fps so there are more images being shown, which gives a very smooth like video, but it is rarely used. For example, I only used 60p to capture a golfer swinging a golf club and then bringing it into Final Cut and then slowing it down so it was a very rough try at a high speed camera. It worked for what I needed it for. So 60p is only used by those who know how to use it. If you like making films and want more control over what you are shooting, definitely get the Panasomic. Manual focus is your friend when wanting to shoot something beyond generic school projects, which this feature is NOT on the flip. So if you want to start making your own films and learning the 'business' then definitely go with the Panasomic. School and less, get the flip. Hope that helps. :)