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This is not even a coherient sentence. Evolution and the big bang theory totally contradict what is written about creation. What did that "proof" explain, exactly? No, you pick and choose what you percieve as factually correct. It establishes nothing factual about god, nor does it provide any evidence that isn't faith based. "Hearing great things about it" gives you no room to discuss it's validity. I suggest you research this topic, and you'll come to find out that order in nature only exists without human intervention, and even then it is pretty scarcely found. We tend to ruin that which is natural. There is no more symmetry in the human body than there is in the body of a monkey. Also, if god created the Sun and the Earth, why would he need to tilt the Earth if he simply could have made it so the Earth required no tilt? Nothing fell into place. We adapted to what we were given. No, it is not relative, because one theory is based upon highly observed concepts beyond most human comprehension, whereas the other has no more merit than the idea of Santa Claus in the realm of testing. It is a coherent sentence, actually. And I showed you the proof, and you didn't want to see it. And no, I'll just assume you know nothing about Ancient History, such as civilizations, because if you did, you'd realized that the Bible is correct. And, actually, you pull a lot of stuff out that you have not studied, exactly. He has reasons for everything, just because you can't comprehend something, does that mean it can't exist? And how does the Earth adapt to it's tilt? Do you really think the Earth cares about it's tilt? And, what I am trying to get at, is that everyone who believes in Science, or should I say Evolution\Big Bang, says it's been physically proven. But everyone who believes in Creationism and God also say it's been physically proven. Do you see what I'm getting get?

You do realise that is 110% right? Oh, oops I meant 55-45, lol. XD

Liberal, not as in news, if that's what you mean, but in every day - actors, musicians etc. are all massively liberal. News wise, about 65-45 (45 being Conservative)

This is waaaay off-topic, and I might have said it before. But I think it's funny how people compare Obama, who's running for president, to Pailin, who's running for Vice. Also, people don't realize, it doesn't mean crap who's elected, the Congress that's in there also matters, If Obama is elected, but it's Republican congress, not much will get done. My Physics teacher brought that to my attention today, I was surprised I didn't even think about that.

Here's the thing, at first, it doesn't look like it at all. But it's kind of like Beijing and the olympics, all the toursits see is a awesome lvoely old (but not in a bad way) place. What they don't see are the thousands of people made homeless just to ready the city for the olympics. At first, Europe looks wonderful, and I'm sure parts of it are, but if you detour, I mean really detour, it's quite awful. Radicalists, mainly Muslims, have riots in the suburbs, gang fights are so rampant, in fact, sometimes the police don't go out at all. I'm not blaming just the Muslims, some Atheists too. In fact, did you know, On a scale of 1-10, 5 being directly even, 1 being radical and 10 being a reactionary, if someone is 5.2 they're considered far far right. Infact, my dad interviewd this Atheist, and the Muslims and other Atheists want him dead, simply because he supports Capitalism, which has been proven to work. I saw a video, of 6 teenagers going all over a city in France, cauing up to, I think, like $400,000 of damage, When the police would intervene, they'd send one or two officers, who were easily beaten, then they were killed. The gang would hi jack a car, and if the wrong song was playing on the radio, they'd set it on fire, and jackl a car 5 feet away. It was complete chaos, and some police were watching from far away. I, who had also thought that Europe was doing fine, was shocked when I saw it.

It doesn't, I never said it did, I was just eager to see it. In fact, I really don't get along with my dad at all, only thing we do get along with is certain parts of Christianity, and politics. But you guys would lvoe to see my little brother, he says that every single democrat is an unintelligent bastard. He's become self-brainwashed.

You know if you limit your swearing, maybe people would be able to take your argument as educated and serious, but I'll just take it for what it's worth: ranting. Greatest place to live and greatest place are two different terms and should not be mixed. I don't think that you should be 'proud to be an American'. There was just as good of a chance that you would have been born in Venezuela or Jordan. We all are genetic accidents. We did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to be in this country. I think we need to re-title it 'Happy to be an American', because that I definitely am. Pride implies you did something. You didn't. You and everyone else in this country were LUCKY to be Americans. I think you're confused, there's a difference, between having pride in someting, such as being an American. And beign a nationalistic arrogant jerk. It's not rude at all to be proud to live here, that doesn't mean you mock other countries, of course not. But that also doesn't eman yuo move to Past-it's-Prime-Europe just so you can feel better about yourself, I mean, it's a free country, but you'll find, that Europe is a lot different then what you see in the media, I'd know.

Yea, I'm not really taking this thread seriosuly anymore. I'm just reading it, you guys do realize Reb is right? This isn't a debate. No one is willing to change their mind, we might as well close the thread. Anyways, my dad says RD is an idiot, and he said there's a YouTube vid to prove it, but I can't find it yet...

That's all nice, it's their fault, but if they got high off of Weed, went driving and ran over someone, or someone was killed because they were high then...

[hide=] No. Iraq has never attacked the United States of America and Saddam Hussein also did NOT harbor or help Al-Qaeda. Link: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp You know what is fact? That most Americans think that invading Iraq was a dumb idea. Obviously you're not one of them. Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/07/AR2005060700296.html After September 11th, Americans felt like they needed to strike back on something, anything. Going to Afghanistan was justified, to me. It was the home of Osama Bin-Laden, but the Iraq war is ridiculous. There was not sufficient evidence. Here's some reasons why: You know what that means? The UN did NOT find evidence for WMDs. Only the United States and United Kingdom's intelligence agencies did. If you're having trouble connecting the dots, unlike most Americans today, here's another quote that has been hammered at you already, but you choose to keep ignoring. So in your opinion, since the United States has a powerful military, we have to take out crazed dictators every time they pop up? No, I think that there were other reasons for going into Iraq. Why aren't we occupying Darfur? Surely you know of the genocide being committed there. What about Hitler and the Jews? We remained neutral until we were attacked. No, the reason we went into Iraq is because it benefited our country. Darfur doesn't benefit us because Africa is a lost cause and after Somalia, I think our country knows better. We need to leave the policing of the world to the United Nations, not the United States. It's what it was designed for. So does George Bush, in fact, he told him to go in there. I'm not debating the facts of what happened. Every American knows them (or should). What I'm trying to say is that George Bush treated it as if nothing happened. I didn't hear an address to the nation on the fact that he got bad information and that he made a mistake, and like I have stated twice now, to me, that means he doesn't care and that is as good as lying to the American Public. We're pouring billions of dollars into the Iraq black hole every year when everyone knows that once we leave, it's just going to go back to the way it was. History shows that that area of the world will NEVER have any form of democracy or peace. [/hide] First off, do oyu honestly think the WashingPost will give you an unbiased answer, in all seriousness? Second, you act like no president has ever gone in to free people from a dictator. Also, I'd bet $50 that all those 'Iraqi war hating americans' are below the age of 30. Do you really, in your right mind think te UN is competent to know anything? Also, Russia was in the pits. They're just trying to gert stablized. You really need to stop googling stuff, it won't get you anywhere. Use databases, those are usually true, unlike Newspapers, which are pretty much, 90% time, biased.

The irony...it's just too much to bear :lol: heh, I knew you'd say that. Oh well.

Order - What order? Everything falling into place - What fell into place? Sun standing still for a day - ??? Science - Supports exactly the opposite of what you believe in. The Bibe - Well, that should be pretty self explanatory after 80 pages of discussion. And no, the section of science you choose to believe in, while ignoring everything else, attempts to disprove. I showed you the proof about the sun. If you believe philosophers from Ancient Greece, why wouldn't you believe a book that is, if not spiritually correct, at least factually correct. Order, there's a certain order in things, I can't explain much more, because I don't know much about it, but I've heard some really great things about it. Everything falling into place - oh say, tilt of the earth, exact symmetry in the Human body (except, certain organs) And to Assassin, what I mean is, he says religion is a theory, I say evolution is a theory. And we both think to the point of death we're correct. So is it not realtive?

Well then, in that case, theory is relative.

You know if you limit your swearing, maybe people would be able to take your argument as educated and serious, but I'll just take it for what it's worth: ranting. Greatest place to live and greatest place are two different terms and should not be mixed. I don't think that you should be 'proud to be an American'. There was just as good of a chance that you would have been born in Venezuela or Jordan. We all are genetic accidents. We did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to be in this country. I think we need to re-title it 'Happy to be an American', because that I definitely am. Pride implies you did something. You didn't. You and everyone else in this country were LUCKY to be Americans. Sorry if I get so agrivated by the sheer intolerance and hate and ignorance I see on this board.

Oh, Alpha, it was because I was just about to get 70 Summoning, bvut then had to get off, but I didn't want to have to go search though blogs again. But I never had time to get, I'll get tonight maybe.

Dude, lol? First off, on your last fact, Obama voted for the bailout. ;) Anyways, so would you really have us not torture anyone (I doubt we even do) in order to save lives? The Patriot Act is what has kept major terrorist attacks from happening again. Fact #3 = More bull [cabbage] then ever believed possible. No need of a warrant? What the [bleep]? Fact #4 = We're taking pre cautions, and you actually believe that doesn't happen in other countries? Well, you're right, because the Muslioms in Europe are completely out of control, there are huge riots all over Europe in the suburbs, people are killed every day, innocents. Woulkd you really want that to come here? Fact #5 Hey uhh, I don't know if you've ever been in a Social Studies class, but, Bush is the President. The President is in charge of the Executive Branch. The Executive Branch has the same amount of power as the other two. So, he CAN just pass laws by himself. Got it? I mean, that's the equivalent of saying "omg all these laws were passed by Congress and none went to Judicial!!" #6 = Obama voted for it too, so I don't know what you're talking about. And everyone else hates America, I think, because they're jealous of how well off America is.

Not it wasn't, because I never said it. Dude, it was way back in like 2006.

This video I saw on Youtube is soooo funny!! Check it out: (And it's topic related) I'm crying from laughing so hard.

Actually, the media has ALWAYS favored the Left, in pretty much every election.

Old, really old, Lentil Soup. I hate that stuff. Second: Anything resembling casseroles, stir frys, or soups my mom makes. She makes everything else is really good, like pasta and stuff, but man, tell her to stay away from stir frys casseroles and soups.

Zezima, for boy. Uluvme if it's a girl. /sarcasm I'm not sure, actually, I'd base it on the circumstances, Say, maybe the child was supposed to be a miscarriage, but the baby lives, I may name it with a name referring to hope, or joy or something.

We established that when Bush was not remorseful in the least when he invaded a country FOR NO REASON. You can come up with as many reasons as you want to defend him, but when he doesn't even apologize to his own country, let alone the country he completely destroyed, I am pretty dang sure that he would have gone in there for any reason. Ahaha, you make me laugh, look. You really think Iraq never attacked us, ever? Also, just because you believe something, doesn't mean it's established. Now, if billions of people, think of an opinion the same way, it's usualyl fact, sometimes. But because you believe it, well, quite frankly, doesn't mean [cabbage]. And what the [bleep]? You're saying we destroyed Iraq? Are you [bleep]ing blind? Do you remember in April when we took over Iraq, and tore down Hussein's statue, the people were cheering! You want to know why? Because, unlike America, if you spoke out againstHussein, you were tortured. In so gruesome ways, I'm not gonna tell em (pm me if you wanna know) Ok? Also, he commited Genocide! Do you know know this? He nerve gassed thousands of Iraqis simply because they were a different kind of Muslim! He was a terrorist in executive position, I thank GOD that we are in there. Now, maybe, we should start pulling out, but never going in in the first place? Get real.

I love the phone to death. Kinda. 2 problems : One, the screen breaks about once every two weeks, and it's $40 for a new scrn, so kinda pricey. Second: This is a MUSIC PHONE. But, oinly uses NOKIA headphones, and supposedly, only plays Yahoo! Music, but it won't even play that, I gotta buy off Itunes, burn to disc, re insert back into Yahoo, then transfer. A pain in the [wagon], so I use my iPod Video Nano 4Gb for it. Atm, the scrn is broekn and I don't feel like buying *another* screen. So I'm using my POS phone from four years ago. Edit WIZKID! That phone looks so epic!!! How much is it??

Then leave God damnit, I'll tell you one thing for sure: Europe ain't any better. Their society in general is crumbling (from what my dad says, he's a reporter) also, you should be PROUD to live here. I'm not saying laugh at less fortunate people in third world countries, but don't be so naive. Be grateful you are in a successful thriving country. Where you, unless you're extremely poor, lazy, or just down right unlucky, will have food on your plate. Be grateful, you can say "[bleep] you George Bush!" And you won't be thrown in jail for 10 years. Be grateful you can be an atheist, and be proudn to be one, and you won't also be thrown in jail for declaring it. Be grateful there's a chance to move up on the ladder of success. Be grateful that school is free. (Before college) Be grateful that we have a form of democracy, and not totalitarianism. Be grateful you can leave the country freely. Be grateful you can say '[bleep] you america' and you won't be jailed for lack of pride in your country. Seriously, it sickens me to see someone say that. Maybe you just live ina piece of [cabbage] town? Ever thought of that? I know a lot of stuck up Europeans, (and nice ones) and a lot of very nice, humble generous Americans.

First: What was that answer, again? Second: Good then, we can agree on something :D. Third: I'm not ignoring any evidence, because I haven't seen anything that is factual. If you want me to provide some evidence, I can start with the theory of evolution, the big bang theory, Darwin's finches, and Biology in general. Uhh, I'll search for the answer, I forget what page it's on. And wait, wait wait, they're threories?! Ok, I'll start with: Order, everything falling into place, sun standing still for a day, science, in general, and, the Bible.