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But more German than English. And not all that common, I don't think. Useless fact: The Temple Guardian in Priest in Peril counts as a dog for the purpose of slayer tasks (I leveled up on it during the quest a long time ago when I didn't even realize that I had a task)

These people are patient enough to learn to program? Even if you were to run that program, it requires days to get the money. The people who buy GP desire instant gratification, and therefore would be put off by the wait to receive their money -- at least, that's the person I see buying money. If they didn't play for a week, they'd transfer just over 2 million. Not sure how worth it that is. I'll ask you at this point: Do you think the 3k/15 minutes was too strict? And explain why. We got very sidetracked from my original point.

(I've stopped trying to defend my stance concerning updates, as many people seemed incapable of understanding it. I don't think it's that complicated, but maybe that's just me.) Well, you do have a point in the fact that a person can go pretty much anywhere and not need to come prepared with a teleport in case things get ugly. At the same time, it saves precious inventory in some places that are relatively inconvenient to get to and therefore you need to come with as much of your inventory available for supplies rather than a teleport as possible (Barrows and Aviansies are two that I personally never bring teleports with me to unless I'm only going to be there less than 30 minutes (which is rare)).

If they're impatient enough to want to buy their way through the game, I don't think they'd have enough patience to get all the duels/trades in needed for the 60 million. (One duel every 15 minutes for 60 straight hours) It would take a lot longer to run out of money because, as said above, it would take 60 hours to make the trades that are worth $300. However, I believe that most people would run out of patience faster than that. You do have a point there. I just realized how far we strayed from my original point: the 3k/15 minutes was far more strict than was needed to stop RWT. I pulled out a random number and might have used one that was too large -- however, the original restriction was far stricter than was necessary.

Yep. It's a truly massive amount of calculations and numbers, each with details of how they were obtained and the arguments required to end up with them. How remarkably convenient for you.

I agree with that, but would those impatient people be able to figure that out? You changed the argument from their patience to their bank account, which was only pushing this closer and closer to off-topic. Okay, what was going through your mind? 14.4 million is a lot more than 3 million, and you could even combine stopping off at the Duel Arena with, say, Runecrafting, to make sure that the time between duels isn't wasted. That would make more than 3 million on average.

You missed the point entirely. Show me the calculations for why you've come to the conclusion that cannoning aberrant spectres is less efficient than meleeing them without the cannon for support. You mean that it's impossible to show that in less than, in your words, a dozen pages?

They just don't have a massive impact on my gaming. Some I enjoy, some I don't. Maybe I can close this whole damn thing with this: I'm more laid back then you are. $5 a month isn't enough for me to feel the need to follow every little place the money goes. I get more than enough enjoyment out of it to want to micromanage everything.

Good to know. It might come as a surprise to you, but 1,800 pages takes a bit of forum space to display =D> And it is absolutely impossible to condense it to show relevant portions? Come on, now you're just being stubborn for the hell of it. Why not post relevant portions here? When we're talking about, say, cannoning spectres, post the numbers. Or do you enjoy making it difficult for other people to understand you?

That updates do affect me and how I play the game -- you seem to think I'm in this bubble. (should have had a question mark) Maybe more, maybe less. And what is with your need to micromanage this? They change my enjoyment, sometimes more, sometimes less. It doesn't have such a large impact that I feel my $5 is wasted if I get less. Get it through your head.

I'm not arguing their money, I'm arguing their patience. It's no wonder no one can ever make a point with you -- you keep changing the argument. What does that have to do with it? You could average 14.4 million an hour stopping by the Duel Arena every 15 minutes -- sounds a lot better than 250k/hour.

I have played since before RS2, and yet I still have P2P, a spirit shield, Bandos and Armadyl armour, have owned godswords, slay with a whip, own a slayer helmet, have leveled up summoning, hunter, construction, farming, slayer, and runecrafting. I've spent hours playing Stealing Creation and tested out Soul Wars, I own full void (all three) and use ways of leveling up that didn't exist years ago. And I would still enjoy the game if I was in f2p mining iron with a little pickaxe in a thought bubble above my head. I fail to see why you don't understand any of this.

Sure. Pages 7 to 36. They deal almost exclusively with my numbers and methods. Obviously you haven't bothered to read them or you would have known beforehand =D> Pages 7 to 36. That's specific? Explains a lot. I have read them, I just never could make any sense of what the hell you were talking about. I'll try and reread it, but I don't have much faith in understanding anything that you argue about.

People who don't have the patience to get the stats to make 250k an hour are going to do that for who knows how [bleep]ing long? Also, given the current system (up to 60k/15 minutes), if you do what you just detailed up there, you could make an average of 14.4 million an hour. And RWT runs rampant, doesn't it? Since the rest is completely off-topic, I'm leaving it alone. No need to make it worse.

All references made by compfreak are vague enough as to be useless. If it's so damn important, put it here or reference the exact post so we know what the hell you're talking about.

Nope, but you specifically said you enjoyed them. Clear enough? My level of enjoyment is equal when there are updates and when there aren't. Clear enough for you?

So it'd be worth it to pay $20 then spend 4 hours in the Duel Arena winning one rigged duel every 15 minutes for 4 million gold? You don't need to link me there -- I'm more than capable with mathematical definitions. And unless you've taken a large, random sample of posts from both now and however long ago you want to say that the boards were at their peak, you have no real evidence. That wasn't a point relevant to the debate at all, which is why it was pointless. You phrased it as a personal attack rather than a point you were trying to make. Again, evidence for this? So now you're going to judge simply based on the rants forum? You can't just stamp your own criteria onto everything -- you're trying to use your own criteria where they don't apply in order to make your position more defensible. But what the hell does this have to do with the topic in the first place? This has almost completely degenerated into off-topic arguments.

That's why I started my response with a question, as you seemed to claim that they were enjoyable by default. And you can be back tomorrow, but I won't. I'm tired of this. I'll stick to doing what I enjoy somewhere else where I'm not attacked and completely misunderstood at every turn.

Yes, very. That was what I'd been saying for a few posts. I'm not disagreeing with the limit itself, but with the number. Even 1 million/hour would've effectively killed RWT while keeping the stakers happy and in business. So why at 12k/hour? The entire forum wasn't more mature; there were still idiots. When you're biased to the point of ignoring such a large group of people, it's not quite such a good idea. It's also not that great of etiquette in a debate -- it makes it sound more like you're attacking the other person than their points. What? How does it matter when my posts were? It's much more relevant what's in my posts and who I am rather than the fact that I wasn't a very active poster three years ago when I joined. And other threads on the current TIF have managed to stay mature for longer. Again, selection bias, ignoring the fact that some current threads are capable of lasting longer as well.

And all updates are enjoyed? None negatively affect your gameplay at all? That is the unmentioned assumption behind your logic, which is quite a big assumption to make.

Really? Someone must have hacked your account and posted it :| You quoted mervinator, not me. Duel Arena is the first one that comes to mind. When the changes were first made, the cap was 3k, throwing away hundreds or thousands of hours that people had spend optimizing their characters and dueling strategies with such a tiny compensation that it's laughable. Explain the duel arena change above. It was an overreaction that wasn't thought out that well.

That further proves your point? It's time wasted that you're not spending getting the most out of the membership that you paid for. I'm beginning to think that our ways of thinking are so opposite it's pointless continuing this. I'm here for the ride, you're fretting that we're only going only 10 over and could get there faster if we went 15 over.

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=791116&start=40#p6598867 *sigh* 1) Not my argument 2) If they thought through things so thoroughly, why do some updates have gaping holes that can best be attributed to a lack of thinking things through? Potential selection bias, sounds condescending to the people it's directed at, and I've been here longer than you have, but what does that really matter? People are defined by who they are, not when they are. So the simplest explanation is that clearly bad ideas were thoroughly thought through?

It's controlled by you? Go without sleep for two weeks. Go ahead, try it.

Less value for your money is all the time you spend not playing the game -- you paid for a month's membership. Every hour you spend sleeping is less time you can spend playing and therefore less value for your money. Why not complain about the need for sleep?