I could really see you bringing that one up. :roll: Yes I have read parts of the Koran and Torah. Scientology? That is based on lies. Hmmm, you make it out to me that you think you are learned in the Bible? Yes? Then why do you keep bogging yourself down with silly questions such as this "How could people live by Christian morals if there was no scripture, messiah or promotion of the religion (in effect there was no God for these people regardless if he was there or not as he had no ability to communicate his presence) for which to tell the people how they should behave?" I have already explained this in part, according to the Bible, there were no other religions / cultures in the beginning. Yeah, that's the trouble with the internet, you've got no tone or facial expression to help you convey meaning, therefore you must take what they say literally (you said no God several times). I haven't answered to many of your arguements because I don't have enough time, they don't make a whole lot of sense and I prefer to talk about this kind of stuff in real life. Arguing it over a forum is really quite pathetic because a lot of the meaning in our arguements are lost. I can see this turning into one helluva flame now. It's just going to turn into Person A: I'm right! Person B: No, I'm right! Person A: No you're not, I'm right! Person C: You're both wrong, and I'm right! *Retreats to the media board* Feel free to add me on msn though if you'd like to chat more... But I mustn't spend anymore time on this at the moment. I need sleep.