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  1. Can you perhaps suggest what these paths are? I am always doing some research on other techniques and would love to put them to the test.
  2. Updated. It is essentially finished. Appreciate any comments
  3. i dont think it is forced. when i saw that pic, i lol'ed quite a bit. it's just how memes are born. dont hate
  4. You gotta be f'ing kidding me...... Also, if you click on the dung skill icon, and click on the rewards tab, the zealot ammy is called "Amulet of Hopelessness"
  5. Same here. I flick at hillies for 2 hit KO with g2h. I really wish bone crusher was f2p.
  6. Market-making with the Grand Exchange Written by Anim7, geared towards F2P What this guide is NOT: It does not involve taking directional bets It does not involve clan manipulating It does not involve trading illiquid items or junk It is a bold statement to say that you will make money guaranteed. However, the statement is realistic. If you follow this guide, you WILL make money in the long run. I personally have made a 50% return on a 8 million starting cash pile...all within one week. And no, I didn't get lucky or anything. I simply followed my own rules and most importantly, I wasn't greedy. I am not claiming that this is faster than other ways to make money. It is simply an alternative for those who don't have enough time to play. Table of Contents Intro to Flipping Requirements The Bid-Ask Spread Secondary Account & Item Selection Deriving the Spread Buying Low Selling High Spread fluctuations Macroeconomic Events Tips for the Beginning Flipper (One of the easiest moneymakers) [hide=1. Introduction] This guide assumes that you know about the GE, how it works, the limits, everything else that is basic and can be found in other guides. You will essentially be "flipping", which is what this is. I intend to formalize that process. The topics aren't very advanced. It tries to mirror real life finance where firms try to make markets by quoting a bid and ask price for securities. However, this is a game and the market participants are mostly teenagers.... At its core, this guide will teach you how to make safe and steady returns over time. It is not designed to be a one trick pony. At every point in time, I tend to stress the principles of risk management. Don't ever try to be greedy! I personally have made a 50% return on 8M starting cash pile over the last week. None of it is from directional bets. The majority of the items I flipped, tanked over 5%, yet I made money on it. Why? Because it is relatively riskless if you follow my principles. [/hide] [hide=2. Requirements] You are a trader. The minimum recommended capital is 5 Million coins. You also need another RS account with 200-300k in capital. You won't be multi-logging, so this is perfectly legal. [/hide] [hide=3. The Bid-Ask Spread] This is most fundamental principle that you need to wrap your head around. I will be referring to the "Spread" quite a bit, so learn it. The GE, is a market. And like all markets, there are market participants. Think of the market as a set of "bid" prices and "ask" prices. Here is a snapshot of a market for Item X which has a mid price of 100, max of 105, and min of 95. Note that this is very dynamic and changes instantly. 95---300,000,000 96---50,000 97---80,000 98---170,000 ==================== ==================== We call this region in between the bid-ask spread ==================== 103---420,000 104---1,000 105---100,000,000 As you can see, the highest price that someone is willing to buy this item is at 98(bid) and the lowest price someone is selling is at 103(ask). The spread is 103-98 = 5 You might then question...How do to trades get executed? Answer is, people either give in to the other side, or new market participants want to instant-sell or instant-buy. So for example, lets say I really wanted this Item X. I put in a buy offer for 105. My trade is executed immediately at 103 and that 420,000 becomes 419,000. Another scenario. I am the guy who wants to buy 170,000 at 98. I am the best bidder in the market. However, no market participants are entering orders at my price. I cancel my order and put 170,000 @ 105. My trade is executed at 103 instantly. The spread becomes 6, because now the highest bidder is @ 97. Important note about spreads. They can shrink, they can widen, they can be nonexistent (dump or buyout), they can shift around. This guide will show you how to make a profit off these spreads. [/hide] [hide=4.Secondary account & Item Selection] The GE is not a true exchange in that the bid and ask price is not displayed. You have to derive it empirically by placing an order. Furthermore, if you place a buy order, you can't place a sell order on that item for 4 hours. So this is why we need a secondary account. If you already have one, great! If not, I suggest making one. These secondary accts are useful is figuring out the spreads to some degree of precision. Your secondary account needs 200-300k of starting capital. This takes approximately a day doing some w16 running. The items that you will be making markets for: Iron, Coal, Mithril, Addy, Gold, Silver (ores and bars) Maples and Yews Waters, Earths, Chaos, Death, Natures, Laws Addy arrows Big Bones Lobs, Swordies (Raw and cooked) It is no coicidence that these items are heavily traded and they have huge supply and demand. In actuality, you can use most of the items in the GE page under "Most Traded Items" On your secondary account, buy all of these items and have around 15-50 of each one. [/hide] [hide=5. Deriving a spread] You have a finite list of items that you will be trading in. Randomly choose an item and look at the graph on the GE. This is for your good. You want your item be trading within a stable range. If it has gone down for a long time, be wary. If it has gone up for a long time, be wary. I will discuss strategies for these in a later section. This is much more advanced. Assuming you have found a stable item from our list. You need to figure out the bid price and ask price. For our sake, I will call the primary acct (A) and secondary account (B). On A, buy 1 of the item at max. Note the price. On B, sell 1 of the item at min. Note the price. Figure out the percentage profit. If it is under 2%, forget it. If it is over 2%, it is a potential target. DO NOT BLINDLY TAKE THIS NUMBER AS THE SPREAD. You need to test the waters again for around 2-3 minutes and repeat. To test the accuracy of your observation, put in a buy offer on A, at 0.5% below the bid. Wait 3 minutes. If offer is fulfilled, then this is your adjusted bid price. You don't have to find an adjusted ask price, since you cant sell for 4 hours and by then, the markets could have shifted. Rule of Thumb: The higher the liquidity of an item, the easier it is to find the spread. ie, maples and runes are very easy to test. But less liquid items like addy ores or mith bars are harder to test. Therefore, don't attempt these until you are experienced. [/hide] [hide=6. Buying Low] The all important question: How do I get the best deal on an item? If you are buying the item and it is trickling in every 30 seconds or so, then you are getting a good deal. If it fulfills relatively quickly, then there is selling pressure. You want your offer to fulfill within 15 minutes. If left for too long, you need to readjust the bid and ask prices. Also, try not to surpass the GE limits when buying. It leads to greater uncertainty, higher risk, and possible downside potential. You aren't the only one doing this kind of merchanting. There are thousands of people just like you, who are playing the markets, so be smart when trading. Rule of Thumb: Don't try to undercut someone else. If the bid price is 100 and the ask is 110, then you should buy at 100. If you start buying at 101, then you run the risk of being cutting the spread down. The last thing you want is to start a bidding war. Speaking of bidding wars, when your offer no longer fulfills, you should retest the bid-ask spread. If the bid has gone up AND the ask is the same, then you are being undercut. You should move on to the next item. [/hide] [hide=7. Selling High] After the 4 hours are up, you should try to sell. Remember, when selling off, you need find the spread once more. This time, sell one item on account A at min and buy that item on account B at max. Test the waters a couple times to ensure accuracy. Hopefully the profit you gain is around 2%, but if it is a little less than that, you should try to sell anyways. Remember to sell at the ask price, and DO NOT undercut. However, if the profit is less than 1%, you have to assess the situation more carefully. This is explained in the next section. [/hide] [hide=8. Spread Fluctuations] A very common scenario is that the spread has changed dramatically in the 4 hours. Do not panic if this happens. If you find that the ask price is the same as the price you bought at, then you should wait. What if the ask price is higher? Then you should sell now. What if there is no ask price (lots of demand, people buying at max)? Then you should wait for a GE update. What if the item is tanking? Sell-off at min. [/hide] [hide=9. Macroeconomic Events] Sometimes, the item that you pick will be affected by news from Jagex, new content, etc. For example, with pvp updates, if you are holding on to food, expect it to rise considerably. Therefore, do not sell-off. Wait for GE updates and then time your sale. Sometimes, you will have updates that tank your item. This is unfortunate, and you should sell-off at min. Remember: As a market-maker, you are not taking directional bets at all. You are simply playing the spread. When you sell-off at min, your losses are cut short and you can make the money back from other items that you will be flipping. Do not get attached to an item. They are just commodities, and you are just an agent. [/hide] [hide=10. Tips for the Beginners] Buy water runes at 33 or 34. Sell for 35. Buy chaos runes at 49, sell for 51. Lean towards items that have bid prices less than mid. I have noticed a degree of mean reversion in most liquid items, so that means that there is a higher chance of you profiting from an upside than suffering a downside. Do not buy tanking items, or items that are rising. Volatility is your greatest enemy. [/hide] Thank you all for reading this guide. Please feel free to comment and share your experiences.
  7. Also, dung with skillers makes the dungeon really easy for you. I usually do with 3 skillers and 1 other cmber. The majority of monsters are lvl 50 and below. Makes it easy on the food since I hardly need to pick up any.
  8. How many did you down? 35-40 I think Killed about 35 people today and ended up with 5.1M worth of loot (over half of it being a corrupt dragon scimitar) F2P PKing is better than I thought lol EDIT: Make that about 40 people and 5.6M worth of loot >_> Nice. I had my yearly death in pvp yesterday. Basically, I am a horrible pker, because i get nervous and my mousehand starts to shake etc. However every year, I stop skilling and go see how I do. Lost a baxe and scimmy. Didnt even use the baxe once during the fight and had more than half invent left. I feel like, after 100 combat, you gotta have 99 str to compete. practise makes perfect. and i get koes with 88 str and 111cmb so your assumption is wrong. I do duel arena sometimes and I am usually really good there. Maybe the risk of losing overwhelms me?
  9. How many did you down? 35-40 I think Killed about 35 people today and ended up with 5.1M worth of loot (over half of it being a corrupt dragon scimitar) F2P PKing is better than I thought lol EDIT: Make that about 40 people and 5.6M worth of loot >_> Nice. I had my yearly death in pvp yesterday. Basically, I am a horrible pker, because i get nervous and my mousehand starts to shake etc. However every year, I stop skilling and go see how I do. Lost a baxe and scimmy. Didnt even use the baxe once during the fight and had more than half invent left. I feel like, after 100 combat, you gotta have 99 str to compete.
  10. Did you write this after hearing girl characters sounds? No way would a girl make those sounds while fighting or even doing martial arts. Just go to pvp and attack a girl, then come back to me and tell me those sounds are normal fighting sounds. :shame: They are normal for other situations but not fighting. Ya, I actually did the makeover to see what it was like. Although each individual sound is about right, when put together in succession like no-arm pvp, I admit..it does sound wrong.
  11. Unfortunately, that's the sound they make it real life when fighting. I do martial arts and it kinda sounds the similar to what I hear from my trainings.
  12. New currencies would have no effect on rares market....YET. I am going to go out on a limb and defend the OP just a little bit. If say in 4 years, GE values phats and other high end items at 1.9B gold, then there might be some way to counter that by having diamond pieces where the exchange rate is (1 diamond piece = 1000 gold pieces). Therefore, GE can say that blue phat is worth 1.9M diamond pieces. That is the only scenario that I can think of, where new currencies might help in adding liquidity to the rares market. And of course, I've been preaching this forever as well...FIX THE GE's update mechanism!
  13. You'll still miss, and in a long run, the accuracy difference WILL matter. It's why you see people using dragon axes for 99 woodcutting. It's just a meagre 5% improvement. Then you're better off using arrows instead of the sling. And saving money isn't always a good thing if you're exchanging efficiency for it. And you have like what, 78 bank space? You really don't need more than that in F2P. I tried the sling with max ranged bonus at fleshies. at 82 range, I am able to hit up to 90 and for no arrows, afk training, it is pretty good. However...bonus I would have gotten from a shortbow is clearly noticable. I was hitting only 70% of the time, compared to 80% with a maple short, 85% with grav short. So essentially, a 14.28% accuracy bonus for spending 1.4k arrows/hour equates to 13k/hour loss. In that hour, you gain 25k xp with shortbow vs. 21k/sling. That is pocket change for most people. Summary: If you are cheap, use a sling. If not, go with the bow.
  14. Mostly because of speed. Scim's widely used due to highest dps.
  15. how you know it been fixed in the first place if you dunno what is the bug it had? today news? then there should write what had fixedanyway it is being stated in the news today that it is been fixed to be able use fire bolt. i still cant find any news or patch notes stated that explorer ring extra runes is fixed, i wonder... busy with thing, then later on forget and lazy to go test it. I don't. I have no idea what the bug was, but curious as to see if any owners can spot a difference.
  16. anyone know what they fixed with blastbox?
  17. They are afk'able for 15 minutes, but you have to move the mouse/do some action every 5 minutes so that you dont log out.
  18. I would just get 55 smithing for mithril and then superheat to 70, its by far the best way as you can actually profit and its pretty fast this. not only do you break even, it is also fairly quick 30k/hr. If you bought coal and superheated, that is 800gp/bar. You could sell it for 200 profit rather than steel plates since you end up losing an additional 3000/plate.
  19. lol for pking?? unless you are the best pker in rs....you should risk that much tokens man
  20. Very true, especially for the bolded/italic part. Make it be pretty much like any forex home trading platform, especially with bid and ask. This would really only help when dealing with items in the middle of a turnaround. Most of the time, Bid/Ask are the same (at mid, low, or high). When I'm looking at an item that's turning around, I always do a few :test buys" to get the real bid/ask. Ya, and getting both bid and ask is hard unless you use a second acct. And even then, intraday price movements are hard to figure out.
  21. It is all about the status of having one. There is limited supply and enormous demand for them. Nothing wrong with that. It is antique cars and paintings. The GE is such an inefficient marketplace for high end items. I long for the day when prices adjust to clear markets rather than being frozen. Hasn't anyone at Jagex ever taken an econ course? My solution is: Have an NPC convert coins into a box worth as much as the player wants it. It's a workaround to the java integer problem. It is treated the same as coins so that you can trade easily. Also, allow GE to accept these boxes as tender. Next, have the GE update based on supply and demand. I should be able to put in any offer for an item (given that I have the money) and that should be reflected in the updates like the stock exchange. You should be able to see the bid and ask for each item and the last trade price.
  22. This just really scares me that you can even think that. 10 years? Do you know what you could do in 10 years? When you start to feel that stress and anxiety building, and start suffering panic attacks out of nowhere in early/mid 20s... it'll because you've played RS for an entire decade and thus have nothing going for you in the real world. And what would make it worse is that you wouldn't have even started on anything... and you'll start to feel like the world just left you behind. These goals that you have are nothing but a delusion, and will absolutely come back and hit you hard in a few years if you don't get something meaningful in real world to start taking up some of that time... this. you hit the nail on the head
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