Sorry, I wasn't referring to you, but to Sadukar123 and his team of supporters. Or, change your inability to read because I DID make changes. Too bad you were too busy attacking people. :roll: Inability to read? I already told you to go and MAKE YOUR STATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT SUGGEST CHANGES - GO AND MAKE THE COLD, HARD, STATS. Its very easy to criticise and say, oh, shortsword should have lower strength bonuses. BY HOW MUCH? -1 and -10 are all "lower strength bonuses". When you make your own stats, you will realise how hard it is. I know why you keep making excuses. You can't make a "good" version of the stats, and you are afraid you will be embarrassed. HELLO, GO READ MY POSTS, I DID MAKE STATS. HOLY CRAP, YOU CANNOT READ. Its not your post that sparked of the big heated dispute. Its that annoying idiot sadukar123 and some other guy whose name I've forgotten. I think it was something like LI33 or something, but you'll find it somewhere in the thread. Really hypocritical of you. You said on the main post that f2p was imbalanced and now you're telling me to STOP FOCUSING ON F2P? Nice fail. Seriously I'm sick of you telling me to argue elsewhere. Forums were made to argue. Fine, they weren't made to flame, but did I flame? "PRETTY MUCH" - how much is that then? Don't use vague words. A slight difference can make a big difference, if your mental capacity can comprehend that. Why is the longsword so rarely used then? Its more accurate and strong than the scimitar, and its speed is "PRETTY MUCH" the same as the scimitar. You do realize that every F2P update, yes, EVERY F2P UPDATE, affects P2P players? Quelmotz, don't even bother arguing. I have used rune weapons as an example, because there is no dragon shortsword, warhammer, or kiteshield. Don't think of this as an F2P update. It sounded like one because I am F2P myself and don't know much about the P2P world. And by the way, you DID flame my thread, and you did this in a rather nasty way. I shall have to say this one more time, stop arguing un-related things on my thread, or else I shall ask mods to come delete these posts. Don't feel bad, I hate flame wars as well. You know, people like Quelmotz who can't seem to calm down would just create more flame wars than others. In fact, those kind of personalities are the reason why we have flame wars. So don't feel bad about your post, I was just listening to your advice and adding them onto the first post. As for the alch values, I think they do and don't need a change at the same time. The reason why we don't is becuase we've got the GE now. Ever since it alching will just result in a loss of money. Changing the alch value won't do anything other than give magers/smithers slightly more money when alching. But then again, I would still change them a bit, because monsters occasionally drop these items (looking at you cockroach soldier). Hmm, perhaps I'll take a look at the spear again. But I am looking for something other than speed, a change in speed can overpower the weapons if changed incorrectly. The reason why I left the accuracy of the warhammer the same, it is because it is the most accurate. Even the 2H sword is inferior to the warhammer in that attack style. The reason why I gave the longsword a bigger boost in strength is because it will be obsolete if it is left as it is. Since I wanted mace to have better strength, longsword better have better strength as well. I don't flame your thread. If you WILL look back on the thread, I was just having an argument with zaaps1, and I made some stats to show him. We didn't flame each other, for god's sake. Then suddenly, your VERY VERY good "friend" sadukar123 and another idiot came and started making a lot of sarcastic comments and flame on my stats. So how do you expect me to retaliate? Say "oh, you're totally correct, I am so sorry for my ignorance" huh? FAT CHANCE. Sarcasm and flame deserves sarcasm and flame. You say a good deed deserves a good deed in return. So a bad deed deserves a bad deed in return. And that's exactly what I did. I would have stopped immediately if those people apologized for criticising my stats sarcastically. But they didn't. They continued the flame war and kept making a lot of sarcastic comments and criticism. That's why I told them to make their own freaking stats to experience how hard it is to do so before criticising. It is much easier to flame and criticise other people's stuff before experiencing and trying to do it themselves. I DON'T ARGUE ABOUT UNRELATED THINGS ON THIS THREAD. ASK AROUND AND YOU'LL SEE WHO STARTED THE FLAME WAR, AND IS PRETENDING TO BE GOODY-GOODY NOW, SUCKING UP TO YOU TO GET YOU ON HIS SIDE. So I have a bad temper, huh? Try and change it then. You say I "can't seem to calm down". Yes I can. I can cite a lot of examples for you to see, where I posted calmly and didn't flame. You know when I flare up? Its when IDIOTS start coming and criticising my posts sarcastically and flame. Look at the first few posts if you want. Did I flame or make cutting comments? No I didn't. Its those fools who start it. Don't always just blame anyone you can see before tracing the evidence back to see WHO started it. As I said, a bad deed deserves a bad deed in return. An eye for an eye. [bleep] for tat. So is there anything wrong with retaliating in the same way as how the idiot started to make sarcastic comments and flame? The freaking point is spears aren't supposed to be 2handed. :roll: Runescape is supposed to be based on historical evidence. Note I didn't say identical. I know its a game, at least there still should be some kind of logical reasoning behind the weaponry. So just because its a game, daggers can be 2handed, warhammers should weigh less than shortswords? Stop arguing about "its just a game". It is a game, but there still should and must be some logic behind it. Spears are light wooden sticks with a metal end on top. So is this as heavy as a 2handed sword or maul? NO. Wood is light. The small metal tip on the top isn't going to be heavy either. Spears ARE onehanded weapons, for god's sake. Jagex got it mixed up with PIKES. Pikes = long, twohanded spears, usually above 2m long. At that point the wood becomes too heavy to be used efficiently with one hand, so it becomes a 2handed weapon. Spears are long sticks (but below 2m or so) that are 1handed and used in conjunction with a shield. YEAH HEY HISTORICAL, I CAN EAT 20 SHARKS IN 10 SECONDS WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCES, AND IT HAPPENS TO BE HEALTHY LOL. Oh by the way, how do you expect to survive a crossbow when regular knights die in 1 hit. :roll: