Viv

yeh its hard to keep up a hardcoore pace think about it n0valyfe played hard a bit and got great exp for his times but...then decided "hmm where is the endpoint" that chart is interesting i do wondder if dgneering helped or hurt players its fast exp with good teams such that telmo and elvis had/have but for people that dont like it how does it affect thier yearly exp

he maxed as an early 2376er also he doesnt have merch buyables...idk if he really played for most exp possible or just played alot but 15 is a really goood rank compared to his competitions

this is why i think jagex changes exp pretty gradually i mean if they decided to move fishing from 60-65k barbarian to 150k/hr alot of people that trained fish would think it was a waste

if they took 5 months off updates then made like 20 bosses and 15 quest i really wouldnt mind!(and i mean quest like rfd and wgs mostly game breaker quest) dont reduce exp required to lvl tho! i dont mind faster training methods for agility and certain skills and rc because right now its just clicking effigies...

200m str 200m cooking

lol i have always thought about this relating to dg... my friend keys 3 25 min dgs then when its my turn every room is gd + some ramokees and monos they then say "this never happens when i key......" li think some people just get really good dgs and others always get wtc dgs

people are luckier than others it seems i havee gotten 2 visages but my friends have gottenn none and i know people that have gotten 9 visages some people get 2 effigy task like nothing others go like 10+ task for one... effigy rate considered to be 1/110k sllayer exp in the longterm tho..so someone may seeem lucky based on one a log then go awhile w/o one.. so i think luck matters most wwith the bigg drops someone that gets a divine on thier first few days of corp can be gamechanged compared to someone that waste 2 months + w/o a divine but small things like granite mauls people dont usually say omg ur luckeir!

I'm guessing they just posted it because they already keep track of your bank's alch value and it was very easy to generate a list like that. Same goes for the efficiency list. I'd like to think that Jagex only chose that data because it was available, not because it was useful. the efficiency list is sorta useful if u look at it in perspective theey prob dont have data of other useful data such as exp/hr since getting entrance in the hlf (this would show much more than lifetime)

Now you are just being silly. Just because you don't merchant doesn't mean money is harder to get nowadays- for any decent merchant-skiller, money is worthless. Also, you and zarfot seem to constantly think every oldschooler has a load of crackers in their bank. It's not true. First of all, oldschool nowadays doesn't even mean you've played rsc, much less that you were around at the very start of runescape in 2001 and logged in on one specific day- the number of people still playing the game that got cracker drops is VERY low, and the number that got drops and kept them until now is second to none. People didn't know to hoard hats, and over years almost all of them have infiltrated to the open market, one way or the other. Also, as we are talking about the ''efficiency'' list, every hour you spent on rsc counts for around 10 hours(xp nowadays is 5-20 times faster), so there is no way a true oldschool player could be anywhere near the top of the list. exactly thier are accually items that coulda been free money what does oldschool mean tho? allot of people on maxed forums started in 2007 but i think 2004-2005

yah thiers not as many updates that really really change things but certain things like effigis kinda do if ur casually getting an effigiy every 2-3 hrs slaying thats 135k added for free to ur time this could kinda be seen with abandonded occult and warped 120 with abandonded only was insane!! 120 with occult was respectable and 120 with warped is like nothing basically hehe

my avg exp/hr life time is 52k which is what this list is about - thats pretty avg for alot of people so its avg on that list too (remember maxed players are normal players too) basically old school people are likely to be lower on the list also because they gained playtime before the faster methods were invented or maybe gained playtime b4 peeople started playing hardcore for levels and exp and ranks basically a few years ago noone even had 1b exp and now multiple people @ 2b so yes they can train with methods that the people at the top now used but quit and far behind now. Just so you know, I figured out your hours based on your exp/hour and total exp :P Using this we could probbaly figure out most players days if we know a few players around them yah its not that hard to do and could be one of the main concerns of posting that list but tbh we knew alot of this already all the maxed players have high hours i think compared to what most of you would consider high if someone has simular total exp u can figure oout if they have more or less days than you i mean alot of maxed just pplay for fun now not for ranks and u can see that compared to the people that are hardcre for ranks only shocking thing here is green098 ranked like 337 thats alot of hours! gertjaars is a bit higher than id have expected but heh as fast skills too

my avg exp/hr life time is 52k which is what this list is about - thats pretty avg for alot of people so its avg on that list too (remember maxed players are normal players too) basically old school people are likely to be lower on the list also because they gained playtime before the faster methods were invented or maybe gained playtime b4 peeople started playing hardcore for levels and exp and ranks basically a few years ago noone even had 1b exp and now multiple people @ 2b so yes they can train with methods that the people at the top now used but quit and far behind now.

im rank 418 :( but i do think "fast verse slower skills" plays a big part in the list only fast skill i have is dungeoneering

I think he just means that he is the next in the next player with the xp over Elvis/Telmo to get be getting 120 dungeon. Seeing as Jdela has 76m dungeon and assiwat only has 10m. So at the current rate he will be rank 1 over all, until Aasiwat gets 120 dungeon, or Elvis/Telmo throw down some huge xp gains before he hits 120. Ah lol, yep you're right! Thanks for clearing that up, and sorry lol still used to highest overall exp = #1 overall XD I heard that Aasiwat hates dungeoneering and might not ever get 120. He said "*maybe* sometime next year" therefore I believe that Jdela will hold rank 1 for quite a long time. dungeonerring is harder to multitask as welll with the multitask discussion we had a few pages back...as well as having to find teams.

I think he just means that he is the next in the next player with the xp over Elvis/Telmo to get be getting 120 dungeon. Seeing as Jdela has 76m dungeon and assiwat only has 10m. So at the current rate he will be rank 1 over all, until Aasiwat gets 120 dungeon, or Elvis/Telmo throw down some huge xp gains before he hits 120. jdela funnest to dg with :D

variety o.o

odd idea but wwhat about effigies --> slayeer then effigies --> rc while slaying after 200m?: O

tbh peoople should be exploring dg during nongds and calling doors anyway and if keyer wants to know a specific door its not that hard to ask and one person should know at least in a good team. and as a keyer becomes better it wont be that hard to key on memory but thier are some bad dgs with 15 key doors and the important doors are the ones that will lead to alot or if theirs a non key/skilldoor that needs to be done... idk i was never a fan of keying programs annd eeven with good friends making them sign into google for it is kinda pointless.

I assumed away cost in all of my calculations for this thread because for efficiency calculations I would need how much money you can make per hour merchanting, or w/e method you choose to make money with. So these numbers are pruely based on xp/hr regardless of cost, but yes cave crawlers are very expensive, around 5.5k cannon balls per hour. As for 45k/h that is about what it was from what I remember, but like I said I quit a while back so things have change give me a more accurate number and I will recalculate, instead of a worthless comment criticizing my numbers with out providing an alternative. People in this thread seem to do that a lot. It's called constructive criticism, use it. -1.5-2m an hr to mmax runecrafting and less varied instead of max out slayer and rc otherwise. and less moneyloss but i assume better if money isnt an issue and can take doing the same thing for 3345 hrs =p personally im hoping for an update that speeds up rcing i also rather agility sped up too

Actually it always seemed to me as though the people who tell me to be efficient think that it must be my life goal to accumulate as much xp as possible, and that I have no idea how to manage my account. *shrug* do they? Games aren't about judging others, I was more trying to point out how this efficiency-discussion on this particular thread seems to be more off-topic than anything, and you certainly don't need to take offense, just like it doesn't bother me at all if people see Zarfot as the best player because he is super hyper mega pro efficient. some people care more about the top players accounts than the top players themselves example - this thread lol i barely have 600m total exp but some people assume that maxed players are all going for ranks and exp and yah a big part of the topic 200m all skills is enjoying the game and getting consistant exp not "i can get 5k mining exp/hr than u! viv, why are your stats glitched lol? i couldnt come up with reading the posts of effiecieny, sry so i might as well just switch to the main topic which actually is when suomi is going to max, i find it a bit awkward that he stopped dungeoneering for the wc for a week and now returned, any particular reasons? our fellow skiller pure kq pax is also only 1 level away from being maxed (a maxed skiller sweet) name change- x[) ill fix idk but variety helps keep game interesting yah i did a few dgs with pure kq pax were ok :) maxed f2p and maxed skiller became more unique with a 120 skill on the tables lol

Actually it always seemed to me as though the people who tell me to be efficient think that it must be my life goal to accumulate as much xp as possible, and that I have no idea how to manage my account. *shrug* do they? Games aren't about judging others, I was more trying to point out how this efficiency-discussion on this particular thread seems to be more off-topic than anything, and you certainly don't need to take offense, just like it doesn't bother me at all if people see Zarfot as the best player because he is super hyper mega pro efficient. some people care more about the top players accounts than the top players themselves example - this thread lol i barely have 600m total exp but some people assume that maxed players are all going for ranks and exp and yah a big part of the topic 200m all skills is enjoying the game and getting consistant exp not "i can get 5k mining exp/hr than u!"

people dont enjoy afking they enjoy the other task yeh but its important to realize why people choose lazy methods. most of the non afk methods of fish and wc arent fun either! SO the most fun is the lazy method. people choose fun yes thats why so many people could get 100m+ dungeoneering so easily compared to the amount oof 100m+ other skills and most of the people oon this thread that praise efficiency usually use thier time on monsterhunting and not really grinding slow skills i think alot of people that cant play that much will use the most efficient method gameplay wise for the less enjoyable skills yet they arent getting extremely high goals(nolifer goals) doing the slow skills in "short burst" mmight be the best way to 200m them but most top exp players either neglect the slow skills or choose lazy method. I mean in the top 15 most are either negletct or admitted to use the lazy methods at least sometime - tho if u chooose the wrong llazy method (monkfish instead of rocktails) then it might be considered plain dumb. effigies kinda help the slow skills get up tho ;) edit:yeh fun isnt factored in efficiency however it is factored in if someone can nolife a slow skill for a long timee

imo its efficient to do what you like and can do longer alc/mine superheat 1hr a day or mine and watch anime 10hrs and do smith anohter way? fish rocktails or do barb cut ivy isnt inefficient thiers no really antiefficieency people noone says "ima mine coal in mining guild instead of lrc because its inefficint!!" also i only know a coupl peopl that reference adventure log time in regards to efficiency but they usually use it to say "hey i cook or fletch while wwaiting for dungeoneering teams not just wait randomly like u " i mean even zarfot does reference doing something easy instead of attentionfocused on his videos he sometimes said something like "this requires alot of attention so i dont usually do this" also depends what year someone started as well.. lots of people started in 2004 or something and have more exp than me just adds up over the years other people started in 2008 and have more exp than mee from being "efficient" or just taking advantage of certain updates jagex gives like bosses and stuff or when i stopped playing much in 2009 lots maxed. iif you take the game to seriously it does end up with "quitting" especcially wherever the "wall" is how far someone can go with the game before they dont enjoy it anymore. imo thier are certain things that i like people be "efficient" with such as i use a defender not a dfs for slayer >.> i usually consider how many hrs a certain thing will take with one method versus another. I pick the method i like best outa a few methods and considering speed/gpcost into that factor as well. yeh many of people on this thread are low stats u say cuz they arent nolifers but yeh choosing a method that can be nolifed enjoyably is part of getting 200m all skills or any skill for that matter also would you rather pay full attention to skills that can easily be afked for a few extra exp/hr or get a lil less in these skills but pay attention on the skills that take more attention (hunter/thief/fire/con/summon/dungeoneering) as well as spending the time that your paying full attention to rs on questing or other stuff

yeh no more go outside message but now can set objectives above 99

yeh no more go outside message but now can set objectives above 99 set 20m hunt 16m thief agil fish 18m fletch and 70m str when those done will set more =p