Viv

You will get close to 200 kph in Full Slayer gear. Extremes are also fine since cannon does most of the work, ovl's were just for testing. For a slayer task since you;ll get <100, summon pots will work well and you can bank everything, good profit in the time it takes. They are also an uncommon task yah i do them for slayer lol and yes uncommon :( but i like them i was talking about camping them since im poor for crawlers atm :P i dont understand why i dm black dragons but despise frost dragons Probably because Frost dragons die in like 0,00032 nanoseconds. Oh, and lets not forget the noobs who think 3 people can set up a cannon on 1 side of the dungeon. yea them! lol

You will get close to 200 kph in Full Slayer gear. Extremes are also fine since cannon does most of the work, ovl's were just for testing. For a slayer task since you;ll get <100, summon pots will work well and you can bank everything, good profit in the time it takes. They are also an uncommon task yah i do them for slayer lol and yes uncommon :( but i like them i was talking about camping them since im poor for crawlers atm :P i dont understand why i dm black dragons but despise frost dragons

How many tasks do you have logged so far? 70 i think im alergic to canceling abby demons

getting sick of cb even choosing my owwn task but i had a thought according to vex guide black dragons are second best to camp and those seem to be a task that i like doing (havent canceled it) so w/o void or ovl are they still good? as they also profit especcially with summon pots

at like 31 but anyway i been using effigies on rc it changes every 1 week to 1 month rc or slayer :P

You smuggled a cannon into CT :o Curious how you get 450+ black demons kills an hour. That's beastly. Im not actually getting the kills atm but I think it is relatively possible if this thing works. Ive been sick for the last few days working on making a vid atm and ill mention that somewhere near the end tbh since im not feeling good im just going to mention how I think it can be done and then other people can see if will actually work or not however Now that i think about it even if it is faster effigy/h crawlers might still be better for a reason or 2 but ill leave that to thai and x ti figure out =p I am quite interested in this. According to Vex's effigyscape Cave Crawlers are 55min per effigy, so for Black Demons to be faster you would have to kill at least 500 per hour. But if they profit I think people would certainly take a hit on total xp/h because they would actually be feasible, unlike crawlers. So goodluck developing the method. p.s. Interested now paperbag? lol. also crimson > green =P

4 melee to 1 slayer on a melee only task =p 3 melee to 1 hp exp I unblocked aqua on accident like a year ago kinda regret it now lol you know i was thinking icestryke might be an efficient way to get 200m mage for poor people (the drops pay for runes and sols are profit and the effigy rate is great for getting slayer exp as welll) that dont like click intensive stuff like mining and superheat and would allow more melee exp after 200m slay for cavecrawlers/frost dragons(i hate these lol but something to consider for other contenders too)/blackdemon(effigy rate??? these are good for charms + could profit with ashes update tho that makes them more clicky)/waterfiends (for charms/melee exp) especcially if your someone that dislikes slayer :P i liked cavecrawlers and my range exp is pretty noob. would allow smith to be done with addy plates(altho that is costly sometimes) and mining done afk with juju pots (80-90k ish mining exp) mining mage and superheat is b0ring oh and btw my reasons for doing this is i want the beest tasklist for slay points alone almost :o i wanted to slay to 50k and then camp stryke but i guess starting now wont hurt :P also does anyone have a top total exp rank list that counts noobs with 770m exp and not 1b yet? :P

Yes it does not matter if you skip or do the tasks. Can you also record the number assigned as that is also important in how good a task is (e.g. mith drags could have a good xp rate but only 9 assigned in a task makes them not such a great task). I'm not sure but I heard neither slayer level nor combat level effects the number assigned so maybe we could get the average of the max and min number assigned? Probably better to record them anyway. After that we need an xp rate for Desert strykewyrms Jungle strykewyrms Warped tortoises Terror dogs Which Zarfots guide doesn't have, those shouldn't be hard to get [/hide]desert strike are like 200-240 kills an hr but idk i suck at slayer lol um not doing jungles those fail tortoise r boring too terror dogs are a task i do because of low number assigned so prob could test the exp rate =p edit : nnot recording number assigned atm but max/min to give a pretty good read on number assigned/length of task :P Great you started skipping already! :D EDIT: we also need a xp/hr for aquanites 100k melee exp/hr so like 25k i guess >.> lol

Yes it does not matter if you skip or do the tasks. Can you also record the number assigned as that is also important in how good a task is (e.g. mith drags could have a good xp rate but only 9 assigned in a task makes them not such a great task). I'm not sure but I heard neither slayer level nor combat level effects the number assigned so maybe we could get the average of the max and min number assigned? Probably better to record them anyway. After that we need an xp rate for Desert strykewyrms Jungle strykewyrms Warped tortoises Terror dogs Which Zarfots guide doesn't have, those shouldn't be hard to get desert strike are like 200-240 kills an hr but idk i suck at slayer lol um not doing jungles those fail tortoise r boring too terror dogs are a task i do because of low number assigned so prob could test the exp rate =p edit : nnot recording number assigned atm but max/min to give a pretty good read on number assigned/length of task :P

yah its pretty low but would give a general idea :P its a decent run for completely cleared blocks tho i was gunna quit slay at 40m exp but now interested again haha ;P

Cancelling 300 times is 9k points, yes, but that is NOT the number of cancels required to do 300 straight tasks of ice strykes. You're assuming that after only one cancel each time your next task will be ice strykes, and that is not true. On average you'll have to cancel many times per each task of ice strykes, and need a ridiculous number of total points to do this. Viv isn't planning to do 300 ice stryke tasks in a row, just get a continous set of ice tasks. exactly i meant if unblock everything to get the 300 fast to find the frequency id skip everything and see the correct frequency besides icestryke i dont know how many task it accually would be lol or if ill do it yet tho :P

Unfortunately we cannot get the optimal task lists until someone tests the assignment frequency :( You need the frequency to firstly find if a task with decent effigies assigned often is better than a task with good effigies assigned rarely. You also need it to find how many points you will have left after skipping the worst task, then the 2nd worst ect... until you have spent all your points. Thanks Thai :) Zarfot happened to have four data sets of task frequencies (RSOF qfc: 98-99-600-61329204, page 20) so there's the first step lol. I guess I'll just do Vex's max effigy tasks when I start slaying, unless the optimal Slayer xp task list is eventually discovered (I'll stay tuned :D ). His final task list is the one I am using for my spreadsheet, but the problem is that he had 6 tasks blocked for each of those lists so the frequencies are all wrong. The tasks he had blocked could never have been assigned while he was taking that data. So you can't just take the number of time say abbys were assigned in this 3rd list and add it to the 4th to find out the probability of being assigned them. We need someone to remove all of their blocks and do at least 100 probably closer to 300 tasks to find the actual probability of assignment. That person must be 93 slayer, 138cmb, have a fire cape, and have aquntines(sp?) unlocked. This allows the player the chance of being assigned any one of the tasks from (most likely) Kuradel. Once we have the true probability of assignment we can find the optimal tasks to do/cancel/block. From that list I can predict the expected, charms, prayer xp, herb xp, and revenue. If one were to also figure out the kills/h of each NPC on the do list, we could also have a better approximation for the total time needed for 200m slayer instead of relying on the average rate of 45k/h. @Drum: I wasn't saying he doesn't care I am sure he does otherwise he wouldn't have done it in the first place. I was just saying that he didn't speed up. My guess is that he knows if aasiwat want to he could take back rank one in like 2 months and you could also with your saved sw points, or just no life fletching. He is still going a pretty fast rate though, I wouldn't call 14m weeks slow. He is just spreading out his time between several skills. But enough speculating about what a person I don't know cares about or is doing. I am sure you guys are friends with and would know better than I. DO we need the number assigned or just the task like could i make an excel and just type spiritual mages or i have to type x number of spiritual mages. im interested in this myself and my current blocklist is task that i could do or cancel (firegiants greaters, waterfiend, mages, torts) i have aquanites unblocked lol >.> so if we cancel a task it still counts right as long as logged ? and could excel do thee frequencies for us or vex/xen? :P can i cancel every task but icestryke during this expiriement 300 task is only 9k points to cancel and then 500 points for the ultimate block list id like to know what mage exp/effigies/profit camping icestryke all day is just for lolz =p as long as task are recorded that are blocked it should find the right frequency right? @ drumgun : He still cares bout his own exp @paper : after 120 i decided i'd never nolife dgneering again because its just not fun to do like 10-20 dungeons in a row......and ive made pretty good progress on the skill since then too.

It would cost about 2.7b with inflated bonus xp prices for slayer and save 2700 hours on those "slow" skills (I do not count hunter and thieving as slow). Probably something similar for dungeoneering. Any chance you have 5.4bil to spare? :D if the hatred for dungeoneeering is that bad using effigies on it wouldnt be a bad idea especially as the exp goes up as he levels it so at higher lvls he'll get 75k+ /effigy which if u consider the time to form a decent team + dg + his low prestige atm is pretty good.

Agreed, Jd seems to want to keep his distance from Drumgun for the time being though. Actually Jd claims to not care at all lol From a tracker's point of view, this is exactly what I would tell from watching him. Ever since last summer started, he has been keeping the same pace and has not rushed any skills even when he decided to max out. He's not distancing himself from Drumgun, it's the other way around. I must say I really like the quality of discussion we have enjoyed these last 2-3 days. Keep it coming guys! It could also be that he too dislikes dungeoneering and mixes it up with other skills or he's training those other skills at a slower pace to make it more even with farming. I think he's going for 4 200ms this time (as he did with 2 and 3) so it should be dungeoneering, farming, thieving, fourth one probably defence. lol jd hasnt changed one bit since rank 1 :D and he does dg a few floors a day ye

Yeh paper dg isnt fun with randoms but you can probably go with freinds and a few floors would make a dif at lower lvls but all the faster people are going to 200 sooner or later ;S...... and dont worry too much about dieing i die a billion times a map too ask hiran or jd :P and yeh most players would rather play casual then say "i want xxx exp goal by xxx day"

Everyone should glorify the Nr.1-in-the-hardest-skill, Mr. Self-Aggrandizement. :) suomi ftw :D Haha, thanks :P I really appreciate the calculations myself but still not sure which tasks I should do if I wanted the fastest slayer exp/most effigies. I am still trying to work out the perfect Slayer list, I know Skiller dropped a hint in this thread, that using Kuradel is not the fastest Slayer XP, however I'm not sure if that was including Effigy gains or not. I could explore the Duradel option but am unsure whether or not Scarabites/Warped Terrorbirds actually drop Effigies, however they are such unpopular creatures there is only limited information on Wiki. It would be nice if Tezz were to post his task list after he is finished with 200m, since I don't have a big enough Slayer XP sample size. I do perhaps plan on getting an additional 10m Slayer XP once I'm happy with a list and logging it all to test it out - this will at least allow me to max out via Effigies. In the context of 200m ALL skills though, I will obviously have to include Summoning & it's XP ratio - Since it's accepted generally that there is what, 100m of combat xp leftover from Slayer - in SUOMIs case he has barb fished to 200m and DG'd already, so he would perhaps only have a bit of Melee left to train - so getting a ratio of Sum xp : Slay xp closer - is perhaps preferable over absolute max speed/effigies. Also in the context of all 200m's Overloads would not be considered a cost, nor would using a rapier perhaps if 200m DG was acquired and not all tokens spent. This would make only Sum scrolls, Cballs & ppots underlying costs & it's around 1-1.5k Cballs averaged per hour (from my limited sample size & around 10 ppots). overloads/extremes doesnt make that much dif slaying if repotting at 120 turmoil and cannonballs are definately worth it tho i mean we could argue that cannonballs arent a cost cuz of the range exp u get if u say overloads arent a cost. =p

You don't get bored doing the same thing over and over? I'm pretty sure your in the minority on that opinion. Tbh, I have to agree with Golvellius for once, since he forgot to deliberately troll and post a proper answer. Don't let those standards slip! @Xensure: As for the Best/most optimal slayer task list, I only have a little more research to do I guess in terms of the general powerslayer - or slaying to 200m/combats, not for someone who would want to necessarily get 200m ALL skills. Is the assumption on the use of bonecrusher/urns & herbicide, that they bank zero bones/herbs with yak & have infinite money for the purpose of calculation? Also would golds be used? I feel greens should be as you get a LOT from dragon tasks, and the xp ratio on unis : steels, is 1 crim = 3 green, although the cost is drastically different. At current Cannonball prices & the meteoric rise in DragonBone prices - PowerSlaying for Effigies now should be around 3-400k per hr, if not slightly more. with ashes it would be even more lolnech/abby/blackk demon but idk if its worth it to yak nechs/do abby task(tho i still like this task its not on the top rate for effigy) it def makes black demons go from 0 to pretty good profit but more clicking

also because its more enjoyable to slay =p than hardcore camp fiends or rocklobs.....most people will prob finish slayer b4 accually camping for charms the accuall 40-80kk/hr rate for summon would be only 20-100m exp compared to slayer it would be slow for the whole 200m :P and the accually training summon wouldnt take that long at all.

.6 seconds and i gueess zarfot discovered it?

yeh people play 15+ hrs when motivated to play 15+ hrs but its a rarity to be able to do it longterm especcially for every single skill someone chooses to do or for example staying up from 12pm-4am with only 1hr break thats how long 15hrs a day is and it accually gets physically tireing to do something that long or just boredom about sleep sometimes i feel fatiged and sleep 12+ hrs in a 24 period but other times i can sleep 4-5 hrs in a 24 period and still be energized 10-12 is more reasonable for a motivated skiller as thats enough time for multiple short breaks from game or do something else and for some extreme skilling methods ...that require lots of focus/clicking they are hard to do for long periods of tiime but for soomeone doing an afkable thing it can be done for a long time very hard to do a max exp for 10 hrs and if your thinking of peoples playing habits over a few years that can change alot depending on life decisions/stuff so 15hrs a day now doesnt mean that someones life is ruined forever tbh =p

so about half the people on the list accually are maxed total 2496 shows what dg has done to the highscores even 10 months later lol

free trade changed the way merch works so instead of x amount /4hrs can make more /4hrs but more effort :P other than that i dont mind my money too much considering ill never make enough for skill training after 99 getting 92-99 in a skill is liek 6.5m but then 99-20m exp woudl be same price hehe

i gotta agree accually most of the time people that fish and cook often arent the ones exploring/gating/coming to gds quick and they are prob gunna be the ones slow to take thier key that they gated so prob best to ask trusted team members to gete first or they gate themselves b4 asking a slow person =p

loooooooooooool 233 gp/exp :o

yeh herb farmingi snt good as a solle moneymaker but the money adds up u should use 5 patches, magic secturerS and stuff