A game - The direction

[Fredz]

Yes. Runescape is a game. But recently there have been some comments, polls, and articles that have made me believe that Runescape is more like a second reality for some people, than a game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets take a look at one of the most recent polls on Runescape.com.

 

 

 

What do you most want from a new skill?

 

 

 

With a stunning 23.102 votes the winning option was:

 

 

 

New ways to make money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apearantly the largest part of the member community in Runescape wants a new skill that gives them in game currency (gp), rather than fun, innovative game play, or making it an enjoyable skill to train.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see gold coins in Runescape as a bi product of having fun. The only reason I can find to why people want a "money-making" skill, rather than a game improving skill, Is probably that people want money to buy things like cool treasure trail items, party hats, or maybe building a house with lots of nice stuff. However, they fail to see the point that if money is more easily obtained, the prices of these things will increase. If getting 500 mill is twice as easy, the price of a blue party hat will also be twice as large. Having a large house with lots of stuff will not be cool and unique anymore, because everyone have one. People will stop killing dragons for money, because using the new skill will make money faster. Hide prices will adjust, and just become more expensive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The "Money-making" skill wont change anything. There is no easy way to become "cool" or "rich" in Runescape. The term "rich" will adjust and while you were rich having dragon armor before, you will not be rich before you have a third age set afterwards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To be honest with you here, the fact that most people voted for "more money", rather than fun and innovative game play made me so disappointed over the player community that the thought of ending my RS career after almost 6 years of playing became pretty strong and convincing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact that JageX recently said that they want to use the poll in a manner to figure out "what to do next", makes me pretty frustrated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess I have outgrown this game, and the community a like. If JageX are to follow the opinion of a premature 13 year old kid I don't think this game will have a bright future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This topic is mainly for discussing the direction of rs. If you have nothing constructive to say. Please don't waste peoples time by posting something useless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you. :)

[GrimHams]

I wouldn't have voted "to make money", the money i have has been made by barrowing and a bit of blue dragon killing. Its a bit sad that people are so money hungry in rs, all you realistically need is 12 mill or so to do what you like within reason. :?

[Jimmyh7]

Don't look at me, I voted 'other' :-w

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't worry about it that much, no idea why. Maybe I just haven't been playing long enough. :-s

[TeeBeaun]

I do a lot of skilling and money comes into play for me, but I never worry about it, in the end everything I need in the game comes from collecting myself. I would have voted for a skill or something else. Making money to me is second had, if I need something I'll work at it and eventually get it, but I'm almost never doing something just to get money.

[Celestrana]

I wouldn't have voted "to make money", the money i have has been made by barrowing and a bit of blue dragon killing. Its a bit sad that people are so money hungry in rs, all you realistically need is 12 mill or so to do what you like within reason. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So true, although I don't have and I think I'll never own 12M gp during my RS "career".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't merchant but I have reasonable enough skills that if I spend enough time training, I can make some money, which is a good by-product for my efforts. I'm in favor of the make-stuff-and-high-alch money making and skill training method.

[monkeyboo2]

I think you've over reacted just a little- but i suppose thats just typical in this day and age that people think if you value money you are suddenly a bad person.

 

 

 

Personally, yes, i voted for the money but i still have plenty of friends which i talk to regularly, spend time with (in RL too)and help them out.

 

 

 

I'll tell you why i voted for the money-it's not simply to be rich because i am that already; its because I like having a leg to stand on. If i had met alot of the people that i talk to wearing full bronze and no mod crown, i would expect to be dismissed as noob. It about creating an impression which allows me to hnave sometnhing in common with other people and somethning to talk about with other people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also i have a passion for winning and if i constantly lose-my temper grows short. With money, i can't lose- i spend it on skills so i can win, either at the duel arena, or having higher skills than people i meet, having more monye than people i meet, having alot of knowledge from all the things i can do with my money.

 

 

 

I like the attention of winning-i like the process of winning-I like the treasures of winning (not just money you know).

 

 

 

This idea revolves my life whether it be football or games or w/e. It's just lucky for the world that i make sure i don't lose-often.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Money is one gateway to winning in RL and RS; I dont have a problem with expressing my view on forum or poll.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and also the poll doesn't mean easier ways to make money it means new ways to make money. I don't want easier ways to make money because i do agree that prices would rise. I want ways of making money in different ways which have other benefits.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

e.g alching trains mage and makes money. but what if you already have 99 mage and dont want the xp particularly.

 

 

 

Well hunting made a new way of making money as well as earning me very valuable respect from the cape and more ways of winning-my addiction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't do things for the money but its stil the most accurate answer on that poll. I dont not want easier way to train skills because they are easy enough and would make winnig in the sense of having higher skills than other people harder. New customisation for characters seems useless and the 'enjoyable skill to train' for mne is the ones you know are worth it in terms of winning. New ways to get around would nbe undamaging to the game generally and probably my second option.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do not write everyone off who is money hungry because for me atleast:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Money/other sources=winning=fun=money/other sources

[The Dark Lord]

I don't even vote in RS polls. lmao

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways why the hell do they want more RS gold? [cabbage]...

[Fredz]

monkeyboo2 I don't think you saw my point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets just for a second move to real life. If everyone gets twice as much money for the same job as they currently do. The prices on everything from anvils to ships just become twice as expensive. Nothing really changes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If everyone got one of those cool Ferrari cars it would not just be that cool anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Money is just a universal trading currency, that tells you how much a "item" or service is worth compared to other items and services. If getting the currency (gp) is easer than getting the "item" or service, the item/service will just be more expensive to get/obtain.

[piman1053]

So you're saying its a bad thing to want to make cash off of a skill? Personally, I'm sick of being poor and there are plenty of ways to have fun in this game.

[Greedom1]

well said - I agree with everything you wrote.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure that Jagex does introduce and develop content without heavily depending on polls. They've done rather well at developing this game without our say-so for a long time. That said, recent polls seem to give me the impression that they're giving the audience a bit too much credit for making rational and intelligent choices. (such as choosing "making more gp" as a choice...)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Something as central to the core of the game as a skill should not be structured around what the prevailing desires of the game population has at one moment in time. It's too important and integral to the game to have it be determined by short-term thinking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A better idea would be to have several polls running (and repeated if need be). So they can gauge the relative importance experience in the game has on a player's outlook.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Example: when you're level 60 with like 900 total, of course gp is something you crave. However, when you're level 90 and 1500 total, perhaps it's something else. Same goes for lvl 126 and 2000+ total. A time-series poll that allows for players to provide input during the course of their RS adventures would tell me a lot more about how players play this game and what they want as opposed to a one-time poll that only runs for a week or so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it's clear to a lot of us that Jagex seems to be making a lot of game-content choices without appreciating the long-term impact they'll have on gameplay, RS economy, pking, etc. For them to introduce a skill and assume a poll that ran for a week is "what the players want" is sloppy game development. I'm sure they'll put some thought into it (one would hope).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps the polls are simply a way for Jagex to give players the impression that they care about the gamer's desires, and nothing more.

[wretched_axe]

I totally agree with you. If 900k players make money the same way and everyone can buy what they want that third age isn't that cool anymore! It will just be something like rune if everyone has it. The other money making skills will be neglected, raw prices will soar and the hiscores will be highly disbalanced with over 50k people with 99 cooking to 1k with 99 agility :shame:

[krisc6]

"having runescape gp is not fun,its a bi-product of fun"

 

 

 

totally agreewith that.gp only enhances what you can do slightly

[The Dark Lord]

I totally agree with you. If 900k players make money the same way and everyone can buy what they want that third age isn't that cool anymore! It will just be something like rune if everyone has it. The other money making skills will be neglected, raw prices will soar and the hiscores will be highly disbalanced with over 50k people with 99 cooking to 1k with 99 agility :shame:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMO The 3rd age will always be ridiculously rare and won't be like rune. So it will always be expensive but it will just be harder to buy if people have the cash.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But yeah it could hurt everything else.

[beniscool218]

I really respect your opinion here, and I agree. The game should be played for fun, putting the options to full use and enjoying it while you can. Not for becoming "rich". I personally only make money when I want to buy something that will enable me to do part of the game that I view as particularly fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, I recognize that there is a large population of Runescape players that want money, to have money, to be "rich" in this game. This is just something that you have to accept as the game evolves. Younger players who feel this way are going to start playing, most likely just to be "rich". I have accepted this, and I play for the fun. I do what I enjoy and don't let the immature players ruin the game for me. Just enjoy the game, and have fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Ben

[TheEvilGizm0]

I voted for 'a enjoyable skill to train' :uhh:

[12pure34]

I was 12 and a half years old when I started playing runescape.

 

 

 

I am 17 and a half year as I am typing this message.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the meanwhile I had 2 mayor breaks.

 

 

 

1 during RSC, which was a little over 6 months.

 

 

 

1 during RS2, which was little over a year.

 

 

 

(several others to, but to small to mention)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The big differences were as followed.

 

 

 

Break 1: I come back, some things were added, I log in, I am having a good time. It was fun like it was when I left. I made money by fishing lobsters. I had great conversations, discussions on the docks, same as some silly Catherby speak of today. It was great :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Break 2: I come back, ALOT! has been added. I log in, I am having a .. good time. It was more fun like it was when I left. I made money mining Rune Essence (100ea that time). I had no great conversations, discussions.. There was hardly any talking down there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now I have become a member. And I've always thought, members have an average combat of .. 80+. First day, true, second day.. 80 average.. few weeks later.. 65 average. Wow I saw a lot of low levels. A lot of them not being very polite, not nice, not in for a short chat and a good discussion. O well, I still like this forums if I like some good discussions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To answer your question:

 

 

 

The game is getting bigger. Players are getting less matured (to my opinion). People become members of which I find, they have no idea what this game is about. (I became member at lvl 86, knowing more about the game then most members do) And that last thing, not knowing what runescape is about, fun, good time, socializing (MMORPG) and above all, repeated, FUN. That ruins the game, for a small part! Because we aren't all like that. I have met dozens of people who I can still have fun with, have discussions with, a good conversation, share my frustrations and happiness. So .. It' isnt getting better, but really, is it THAT bad?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or in other words, why are you still playing, because of the friends you like or because the few people you do not like?

[monkeyboo2]

monkeyboo2 I don't think you saw my point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets just for a second move to real life. If everyone gets twice as much money for the same job as they currently do. The prices on everything from anvils to ships just become twice as expensive. Nothing really changes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If everyone got one of those cool Ferrari cars it would not just be that cool anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Money is just a universal trading currency, that tells you how much a "item" or service is worth compared to other items and services. If getting the currency (gp) is easer than getting the "item" or service, the item/service will just be more expensive to get/obtain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes i did actually comment that i don't want money to be easier because yes of course that phat will be more expensive but new ways of making the same amount of money for different benefits (alching=mage xp +money maybe we could have something that was firemaking xp+money).

[Atroxide]

Yes. Runescape is a game. But recently there have been some comments, polls, and articles that have made me believe that Runescape is more like a second reality for some people, than a game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets take a look at one of the most recent polls on Runescape.com.

 

 

 

What do you most want from a new skill?

 

 

 

With a stunning 23.102 votes the winning option was:

 

 

 

New ways to make money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apearantly the largest part of the member community in Runescape wants a new skill that gives them in game currency (gp), rather than fun, innovative game play, or making it an enjoyable skill to train.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Defined at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game

 

 

 

A game is a recreational activity involving one or more players. This can be defined by A) a goal that the players try to reach, B) some set of rules that determines what the players can or can not do. Games are played primarily for entertainment or enjoyment, but may also serve an educational or simulational role.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To be honest with you here, the fact that most people voted for "more money", rather than fun and innovative game play made me so disappointed over the player community that the thought of ending my RS career after almost 6 years of playing became pretty strong and convincing.

 

 

 

Making money is by far my favorite thing to do, i think its fun making money and being able to go to a market and buy some armor that you have wanted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tbh, Every one has a different opinion, I might like combat, you might like mini games.

[imaerehw14]

I think you are going in the right direction with this post, but you may be confused on something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the poll said "newer ways" of making money, not easier ways of making money. people are bored with woodcutting, mining, fishing, etc. They want something like berry gatherer (stupid sounding, but lets just pretend for a moment) to have a new, less repettive, and interesting way to make money. No more money will be introduced most likely, it will just come from another place in the economy. and it looks like you seem to think that newer was of making money = more money coming into the system, which is just not true.

[Phathead_unused]

posting on this legendary thread

[FastForce]

If JageX are to follow the opinion of a premature 13 year old kid I don't think this game will have a bright future.

 

 

 

Jagex follows what we want. And what we want are more ways to make money. And by doing what we want, the game becomes better for the majority of the players.

[highlanders]

I voted "New items to customise the appearance of your character" \

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm surprised the "new money making ways" won. At the time I voted, "fun" was in the lead.

[Fredz]

 

If JageX are to follow the opinion of a premature 13 year old kid I don't think this game will have a bright future.

 

 

 

Jagex follows what we want. And what we want are more ways to make money. And by doing what we want, the game becomes better for the majority of the players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most people want zero taxes and free booze.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank god the government don't give us that. Because that would not make the world a better place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Off Topic:

 

 

 

Thanks a lot for a lot of good replies on this topic so far. I hope to see more coming!

[blouinator]

i ddint vote for money i dont rember what i voted for thougg

[Greedom1]

There are already tons of interesting and easy ways to make money. The problem is that newer players see others with gobs of gp and think that if others have say 50 mill or 500 mill, they feel that they should be able to get 5 mill in a relatively short period of time (say a week).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When the reality hits they become disappointed and disillusioned because they feel they need to "catch up" or they need to get the money NOW. Of course these players rarely realize that those with 50 mill or even 500 mill got that money through hard work and perseverance. As a skiller myself, I earned every gp I have in the game through months and even years of persistence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When players want "newer ways of making money" they're simply focusing on the only goal they have at the moment without appreciating what they'll do when they have enough. So they'll get a new way to make their millions. Then what? It still doesn't make the game better...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Money by itself does nothing. It's what it can do for you that gives it its true value. Whether it's raising prayer or con, money does help. However, Jagex doesn't need to add new ways to add money to the game - they can just make it more interesting (easier maybe) to level the skills they already have.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Myself, I want to see better gameplay and interfaces looong before they start overcooking the ways to make gp.)