Rule 2 Change: Should Luring be alloud?

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

As I said before concerning the "Jojo Lure" we don't lie to get them into the wilderness. We lie to get them to the area to lure them. But we never force them into the wild.

You just admitted to scamming by saying "We lie to get them to the area to lure them". You're leading them on, for personal gain.

Yes but we're still not scamming since we never forced them into the wilderness. You can't argue against that because it's 100% true. There is no way we can force them into the wild. And there is no way you can prove me otherwise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How the hell does luring go against all that? It goes against it being a dangerous place? You said yourself people going there know the risks,and it's a risk they willingly choose to take. WE DON'T FORCE ANYONE INTO THE WILDERNESS, THEY CHOOSE SO WILLINGLY.

so according to you're logic item scamming should also be legal because they weren't forced to do the trade? Just because someone isnt forced to do it doesn't mean it shouldn't be against the rules.

Sure why not. There is a reason there is a second trade screen. If you don't want to be scammed don't rush through every trade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely. But if anything we're helping people by making them angry enough to quit. I know friend's whose lives have actually been destroyed by this game. I actually know someone who had to take Junior year over because of RuneScape. But still not much to argue against there.

The ones that need to quit are the lurers. I'd rather have the annoying noobs then all the stuck up liers who shows off all the items they stole.

I never once showed off the items I've lured. Check my gallery, nothing but PKs and stakes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well said. But is Merchanting not taking advantage of others? Is Staking not taking advantage of others? Is PKing not taking advantage of others? Are buying items such as Logs, Herbs, Seeds, Weapons, Armour, Runes, Arrows, Raw Fish, Hides, Bones, Food, and Essence not taking advantage of others? This game revolves around taking advantage of others, positive or negative. If you wanted it to be all positive maybe you should have thought about that before you posted it on Miniclip bud.

Merchanting does not take advantage others at all. Who lies when you merchant? you look for deals that are a little under priced and then you sell it for a higher price. There is no lies involved in that. If you were lieing it would be item scamming which is totally diferent. Pking does not take advantage of others because you aren't lieing to anybody to get them there. They DID go there on there own, with items they were willing to risk. How does buying materials have anything to do with anything? I dont get you're point there. This game does not revolve around taking advantage of others? what do you mean???

You don't need to be lieing to take advantage of someone.

[wakka102]

Nice constructive post. Thanks for adding to the topic. Your the type of moron who got lured once now whenever they attempt to lure you you go a long with it and Teleport once your in wild just to mess with them, or bring nothing at all.

how is that moronic? Because you don't get your precious dirtily earned loot? If someone tried to lure me I'd probably do the same just so I could mess with them. They full deserve it. Thats not moronic at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WRONG. We don't force anyone into the Wilderness. It's simple as that I don't know why I need to continuously repeat myself.

You don't force, but you do lie for personal gain, and that has and always will be a scam.

[Frankdragoon]

 

Please don't post stuff like this. Luring is and has always been scamming. If you can't understand that simple fact they you are an idiot. Lieing and deceiving others is what defines a scam and thats exactly what lurers do, they lie and deceive. I knew it was coming and I'm sure with the increase in lurer's they new it was coming also. I'm not sure how it could be a reportable offence since it doesn't happen in the course of 30 seconds (or was it 1 minute?) but I'm glad to see this change, at least it might put off 50% of the lurer's that are currently out there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Absolute Bull! it is nothing like the everyday lleaf bladed spear scam, switching money amounts or anything like that! A player knows they are entering the wild as the warning sign appears. This rule update has been made due to the large number of 11 year olds complaining about their loss of rune... [bleep] these people aren't even supposed to have accounts yet they change the rules to suit them! MONEY GRABBING SCUM! Stop messing around and let the game be played. Normal players who play for entertain not because of addiction are generally smart enough not to trade outside of a bank... the people that aren't need to learn the lesson to not be so bloody gullable!

Luring is scamming, because you are tricking someone by lieing to them that you're going to sell them something when you actually intend to kill them and take their money. ITS NOT THEIR FAULTH THEY TRUST EVERYONE!

[wild_goat_14]

 

 

As I said before concerning the "Jojo Lure" we don't lie to get them into the wilderness. We lie to get them to the area to lure them. But we never force them into the wild.

You just admitted to scamming by saying "We lie to get them to the area to lure them". You're leading them on, for personal gain.

Yes but we're still not scamming since we never forced them into the wilderness. You can't argue against that because it's 100% true. There is no way we can force them into the wild. And there is no way you can prove me otherwise.

 

 

 

Its scamming now. :lol:

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

Nice constructive post. Thanks for adding to the topic. Your the type of moron who got lured once now whenever they attempt to lure you you go a long with it and Teleport once your in wild just to mess with them, or bring nothing at all.

how is that moronic? Because you don't get your precious dirtily earned loot? If someone tried to lure me I'd probably do the same just so I could mess with them. They full deserve it. Thats not moronic at all.

It's not moronic because it wastes lurers time. It's moronic because there is no point. All you've done is waste 5-10 Minutes of someone's time. Which is all RuneScape is. A waste of time, so really it does nothing and your wasting your own time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WRONG. We don't force anyone into the Wilderness. It's simple as that I don't know why I need to continuously repeat myself.

You don't force, but you do lie for personal gain, and that has and always will be a scam.

No one can ever prove I'm lieing. No one can ever prove I'm not going to drop items for a party. Again. It's that simple.

[wakka102]

Yes but we're still not scamming since we never forced them into the wilderness. You can't argue against that because it's 100% true. There is no way we can force them into the wild. And there is no way you can prove me otherwise.

Why do you keep coming back the idea of "forcing"? if it was forced it would be a bug not a scam. Scamming is lieing, you don't force anyone past the second trade screen however scamming is still there and its still against the rules, this is the same thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sure why not. There is a reason there is a second trade screen. If you don't want to be scammed don't rush through every trade.

Yea, lets just get rid of all the rules, lets let anybody do what they want, you find a bug? lets abuse it! ANARCHY! That would totally kill the game, rules are in place to make a good environment and to get the bad people out to leave the good community intact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't need to be lieing to take advantage of someone.

There are different ways to say taking advantage of someone, and don't try to play dumb and not see what Jagex means by it. Sure, by trading items ingame its taking advantage of someone in a POSITIVE manner. Any kind of interaction can be considered "taking advantage of someone". Taking advantage of someone has an opposite negative version to it as well, which is where we get into the rules, don't tell me you can't understand that?

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

 

As I said before concerning the "Jojo Lure" we don't lie to get them into the wilderness. We lie to get them to the area to lure them. But we never force them into the wild.

You just admitted to scamming by saying "We lie to get them to the area to lure them". You're leading them on, for personal gain.

Yes but we're still not scamming since we never forced them into the wilderness. You can't argue against that because it's 100% true. There is no way we can force them into the wild. And there is no way you can prove me otherwise.

 

 

 

Its scamming now. :lol:

 

 

 

Luring someone into the wilderness directly is a scam. Them running into the wilderness willingly isn't.

[shurikennin]

Scamming should be allowed in scamilderness, just like how killing is allowed in wilderness.

 

 

 

Every town include to scamilderness. I greatly would like to see scamming legalized. Not because I would scam, but because I would have less chances of getting banned by accident.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are allowed to thieve NPCs but not players? C'mon.

 

 

 

Player with 99 thieving can't try to thieve some pathetic billions from other players? WHERE's THE ROLE PLAYING ELEMENT?

 

 

 

=D> BRILLIANT! maybe it could be like a dungeon with elevators for lvls(like the wild) and each would have to bring a certain amount of money :)

[wakka102]

 

WRONG. We don't force anyone into the Wilderness. It's simple as that I don't know why I need to continuously repeat myself.

You don't force, but you do lie for personal gain, and that has and always will be a scam.

No one can ever prove I'm lieing. No one can ever prove I'm not going to drop items for a party. Again. It's that simple. Well sure, nobody can really prove anything accept for the basics, they can't prove a drop trade unless its witnessed. But it's still immoral and its still against the rules none the less. My point is that luring should have been against the rules in the first place and in a sense it was already, Jagex just is now acknowledging it.

[Phyrexial]

I agree with rose here he may be deceiving people, but I watched this "luring" method on youtube and these people with party hats and santa hats are so greedy they run out to grab an extra 100k gold, if you ask me if your stupid enough to do it you deserve it. I have never lured anybody in my life never have and never will, but from what I see if your stupid enough not to telegrab the gold and say peace out you deserve to lose your items, he also isn't forcing them out in the wild they run out there to grab the gold like the greedy people they are if you ask me their greed is actually what gets them not the lurer just my two cents.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

Yes but we're still not scamming since we never forced them into the wilderness. You can't argue against that because it's 100% true. There is no way we can force them into the wild. And there is no way you can prove me otherwise.

Why do you keep coming back the idea of "forcing"? if it was forced it would be a bug not a scam. Scamming is lieing, you don't force anyone past the second trade screen however scamming is still there and its still against the rules, this is the same thing.

Because thats the loop-hole! Forcing them with the 2 Forceable items I know about is bannable, but the Jojo lure is not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sure why not. There is a reason there is a second trade screen. If you don't want to be scammed don't rush through every trade.

Yea, lets just get rid of all the rules, lets let anybody do what they want, you find a bug? lets abuse it! ANARCHY! That would totally kill the game, rules are in place to make a good environment and to get the bad people out to leave the good community intact.

That doesn't help your argument at all. If you use a bug to cheat someone they have no warning and that is scamming. But in the trade-window they do have somewhat of a warning so they know what the trade is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't need to be lieing to take advantage of someone.

There are different ways to say taking advantage of someone, and don't try to play dumb and not see what Jagex means by it. Sure, by trading items ingame its taking advantage of someone in a POSITIVE manner. Any kind of interaction can be considered "taking advantage of someone". Taking advantage of someone has an opposite negative version to it as well, which is where we get into the rules, don't tell me you can't understand that?

Reread the post that I think was about Andrew's post.

[Frankdragoon]

 

 

 

As I said before concerning the "Jojo Lure" we don't lie to get them into the wilderness. We lie to get them to the area to lure them. But we never force them into the wild.

You just admitted to scamming by saying "We lie to get them to the area to lure them". You're leading them on, for personal gain.

Yes but we're still not scamming since we never forced them into the wilderness. You can't argue against that because it's 100% true. There is no way we can force them into the wild. And there is no way you can prove me otherwise.

 

 

 

Its scamming now. :lol:

NICELY SAID =D>

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

 

 

As I said before concerning the "Jojo Lure" we don't lie to get them into the wilderness. We lie to get them to the area to lure them. But we never force them into the wild.

You just admitted to scamming by saying "We lie to get them to the area to lure them". You're leading them on, for personal gain.

Yes but we're still not scamming since we never forced them into the wilderness. You can't argue against that because it's 100% true. There is no way we can force them into the wild. And there is no way you can prove me otherwise.

 

 

 

Its scamming now. :lol:

NICELY SAID =D>

Your retarted =D> Already disproved that.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

You're going to have to forgive this next statement, but...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

HELL NO, luring shouldn't be legalized again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring was never an honest way of playing the game anyway. What they are doing is setting someone up for a trap in the attempt to gain valuable items. The person that was the victim leaps at the opportunity to gain a valuable item for significantly less than what it was worth. Thus, the lure tactic preys on those who are not educated in valuable items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I remember that I said that it was the players' fault for being lured. I now recant that statement. It is the fault of the lurer for leading the player on -- a direct violation of rule 2. Just because they don't know doesn't make it right. (I believe someone said something about leaving a laptop unattended doesn't justify someone stealing it. While this is prone to happen, it's a true point -- it's their fault for leaving it unattended, but ultimately the thief gets punished.) I didn't quite understand why it was never enforced, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If anyone, and I mean anyone still thinks that luring should be an acceptable practice, just leave the RuneScape communities forever. We don't need your burden, and we sure could use the server space.

[Hevendor_Guy]

I think it should be allowed, if you're smart and cunning enough to outsmart someone for their items, you deserve them. On the flipside, if you're dumb enough to fall for luring, you deserve to lose those items. Grats to the author on outsmarting enough idiots to amount to a partyhat by the way =D>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If anyone, and I mean anyone still thinks that luring should be an acceptable practice, just leave the RuneScape communities forever. We don't need your burden, and we sure could use the server space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll: Shut the hell up and quit whining, don't fall for luring and it isn't a problem..

[spikerkid]

Scamming is scamming. There is different ways of it but it's still

 

 

 

scamming so it should be like the way it is. Some players have quit

 

 

 

from losing an item from luring and that means Jagex is losing money

 

 

 

so i'll doubt that it will change.

[Frankdragoon]

I think it should be allowed, if you're smart and cunning enough to outsmart someone for their items, you deserve them. On the flipside, if you're dumb enough to fall for luring, you deserve to lose those items. Grats to the author on outsmarting enough idiots to amount to a partyhat by the way =D>

So your saying that if i was good enough to somehow steal...i dunno ur ipod then i could steal it without punishment and you not being able to do anything about it? think about it... -.-

[Lakitsym_Rose]

You're going to have to forgive this next statement, but...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

HELL NO, luring shouldn't be legalized again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring was never an honest way of playing the game anyway. What they are doing is setting someone up for a trap in the attempt to gain valuable items. The person that was the victim leaps at the opportunity to gain a valuable item for significantly less than what it was worth. Thus, the lure tactic preys on those who are not educated in valuable items.

No, the lure tactic preys on those who are not smart enough to use common sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I remember that I said that it was the players' fault for being lured. I now recant that statement. It is the fault of the lurer for leading the player on -- a direct violation of rule 2. Just because they don't know doesn't make it right. (I believe someone said something about leaving a laptop unattended doesn't justify someone stealing it. While this is prone to happen, it's a true point -- it's their fault for leaving it unattended, but ultimately the thief gets punished.) I didn't quite understand why it was never enforced, though.

All the lurer does is bring the person to the spot. The victim does the rest on their own.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

 

If anyone, and I mean anyone still thinks that luring should be an acceptable practice, just leave the RuneScape communities forever. We don't need your burden, and we sure could use the server space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll: Shut the hell up and quit whining, don't fall for luring and it isn't a problem..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've never fallen for a luring scam before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And even if I didn't fall for it, there's probably someone else that will. If you can't see that this is a positive move for restoring the community, then you're the one that needs to stop crying. It's making your vision all blurry.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

I think it should be allowed, if you're smart and cunning enough to outsmart someone for their items, you deserve them. On the flipside, if you're dumb enough to fall for luring, you deserve to lose those items. Grats to the author on outsmarting enough idiots to amount to a partyhat by the way =D>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If anyone, and I mean anyone still thinks that luring should be an acceptable practice, just leave the RuneScape communities forever. We don't need your burden, and we sure could use the server space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll: Shut the hell up and quit whining, don't fall for luring and it isn't a problem..

 

 

 

I dissagree. I don't deserve anything. It's not if I'm cunning enough. It's if they are stupid enough.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

erkid"]Scamming is scamming. There is different ways of it but it's still

 

 

 

scamming so it should be like the way it is. Some players have quit

 

 

 

from losing an item from luring and that means Jagex is losing money

 

 

 

so i'll doubt that it will change.

I'm not debating them to change it back. I'm fine with it now being against the rules. But I'm still for luring and you can still lure without it being bannable although you most likely will be banned.

[Frankdragoon]

i bet that if one of these lurers got lured into a dungeon house party and lost their ahrims, they'd be totally against it

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

If anyone, and I mean anyone still thinks that luring should be an acceptable practice, just leave the RuneScape communities forever. We don't need your burden, and we sure could use the server space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll: Shut the hell up and quit whining, don't fall for luring and it isn't a problem..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've never fallen for a luring scam before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And even if I didn't fall for it, there's probably someone else that will. If you can't see that this is a positive move for restoring the community, then you're the one that needs to stop crying. It's making your vision all blurry.

That's just it! It's not a positive move for restoring the community! RuneScape's community was destroyed a long, long time ago. When they advertised it for little kids! Yes. I started playing this game when I was extremely young. But I was never a stubborn brat like 70-80% of RuneScape's community now is.

[Frankdragoon]

ANYWAY, LURING IS NOW AGAINST THE RULES AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU LURERS CAN DO TO CHANGE IT SO IF U STILL WANT TO LURE, FACE THE CONSEQUENCES, YOUR FAULT FOR CONTINUEING TO LURE, SO BOOYA! GET BANNED.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

i bet that if one of these lurers got lured into a dungeon house party and lost their ahrims, they'd be totally against it

 

 

 

Doubt a true lurer would ever be lured. I've never been lured. Ever. In fact as I said before, I have killed people trying to lure me, I've actually PK'd Mage Books, Master Wands, and Fury's from their killers.