Policeman Shot Dead

[scn64]

 

And what do you propose? Banning guns? Yea, good idea.

 

 

 

So .0000001% of America's population kills people with guns every year, and I'm willing to wager about half are not even US citizens? Ever heard of the Latin gangs in California/Chicago/Etc? Lots of murders, surely, and lots of illegal aliens, too!

 

 

 

Either way, it still leaves the 99.999999% of us with guns that don't kill people.

 

 

 

Get rid of ALL of the guns and hold on - ONE HUNDRED percent of people don't kill people with guns!

 

 

 

COOL!!! THAT'S EVEN BETTER THAN BEFORE.

 

 

 

No there is no sarcasm here, it's common sense. So please, disembark the vehicle if you choose not to use your brain. IDIOT!

 

 

 

You're living in a dream world if you think a ban on guns would eliminate every single gun that exists in the US while also preventing any outside guns from entering.

[ecopetition]

 

And what do you propose? Banning guns? Yea, good idea.

 

 

 

So .0000001% of America's population kills people with guns every year, and I'm willing to wager about half are not even US citizens? Ever heard of the Latin gangs in California/Chicago/Etc? Lots of murders, surely, and lots of illegal aliens, too!

 

 

 

Either way, it still leaves the 99.999999% of us with guns that don't kill people.

 

 

 

Get rid of ALL of the guns and hold on - ONE HUNDRED percent of people don't kill people with guns!

 

 

 

COOL!!! THAT'S EVEN BETTER THAN BEFORE.

 

 

 

No there is no sarcasm here, it's common sense. So please, disembark the vehicle if you choose not to use your brain. IDIOT!

 

 

 

You're living in a dream world if you think a ban on guns would eliminate every single gun that exists in the US while also preventing any outside guns from entering.

 

 

 

And you're living in an extremely small-mind if you think that outlawing all legal guns won't make a difference. There will be virtually no easy access to guns so - wait a minute - my god - i've cracked it! GUN REDUCTION = GUN CRIME REDUCTION!!!

 

 

 

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> Sometimes I think you complete idiots should be paraded in orange suits whilst you wear signs that say:

 

 

 

THICK LITTLE CHILD ALERT.

[scn64]

 

And what do you propose? Banning guns? Yea, good idea.

 

 

 

So .0000001% of America's population kills people with guns every year, and I'm willing to wager about half are not even US citizens? Ever heard of the Latin gangs in California/Chicago/Etc? Lots of murders, surely, and lots of illegal aliens, too!

 

 

 

Either way, it still leaves the 99.999999% of us with guns that don't kill people.

 

 

 

Get rid of ALL of the guns and hold on - ONE HUNDRED percent of people don't kill people with guns!

 

 

 

COOL!!! THAT'S EVEN BETTER THAN BEFORE.

 

 

 

No there is no sarcasm here, it's common sense. So please, disembark the vehicle if you choose not to use your brain. IDIOT!

 

 

 

You're living in a dream world if you think a ban on guns would eliminate every single gun that exists in the US while also preventing any outside guns from entering.

 

 

 

And you're living in an extremely small-mind if you think that outlawing all legal guns won't make a difference. There will be virtually no easy access to guns so - wait a minute - my god - i've cracked it! GUN REDUCTION = GUN CRIME REDUCTION!!!

 

 

 

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> Sometimes I think you complete idiots should be paraded in orange suits whilst you wear signs that say:

 

 

 

THICK LITTLE CHILD ALERT.

 

 

 

Of course it would make a difference in some form whether good or bad. I was responding to your idiotic post that seemed to indicate a gun ban would completely eliminate gun crime. If that's what you meant to say, YOU are the idiot. If that's not what you meant to say, then you should start double-checking your posts before you submit them.

[Barihawk]

I'm sorry ecopetition, but I laughed a little.

 

 

 

We will let you be in charge of going to every gun owner in the world and collecting the guns. Good luck.

 

 

 

And Green, I eat the deer meat and present the rest of the kill to a taxidermist that uses all of the parts. You'd be surprised how useful deer gizard is.

[Rebdragon]

And you're living in an extremely small-mind if you think that outlawing all legal guns won't make a difference. There will be virtually no easy access to guns so - wait a minute - my god - i've cracked it! GUN REDUCTION = GUN CRIME REDUCTION!!!

 

 

 

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> Sometimes I think you complete idiots should be paraded in orange suits whilst you wear signs that say:

 

 

 

THICK LITTLE CHILD ALERT.

 

Calm it. Generally speaking, when you think you've "owned" someone you're supposed to spend 93% of your post elaborating on why they're wrong, and at the most 7% laughing at them. You did something like 40/60.

 

Of course it would make a difference in some form whether good or bad. I was responding to your idiotic post that seemed to indicate a gun ban would completely eliminate gun crime. If that's what you meant to say, YOU are the idiot. If that's not what you meant to say, then you should start double-checking your posts before you submit them.

 

Let's not feed the fire.

[scn64]

 

Of course it would make a difference in some form whether good or bad. I was responding to your idiotic post that seemed to indicate a gun ban would completely eliminate gun crime. If that's what you meant to say, YOU are the idiot. If that's not what you meant to say, then you should start double-checking your posts before you submit them.

 

Let's not feed the fire.

 

 

 

On the contrary, I think I put his little fire out.

[assassin_696]

It's irrelevant whether or not you can in practice try and get rid of all the guns in the world, the fact is, if we don't try and make a stand against instruments designed for killing what are we? How can we ever have a peaceful society if guns are legal?

[Satenza]

I'm sorry ecopetition, but I laughed a little.

 

 

 

We will let you be in charge of going to every gun owner in the world and collecting the guns. Good luck.

 

 

 

And Green, I eat the deer meat and present the rest of the kill to a taxidermist that uses all of the parts. You'd be surprised how useful deer gizard is.

 

 

 

I think it basically comes down to the fact of liberty over life. If you are choosing to allow automatic guns to be legal then you massivley increase the risk of gun crime, thats obvious. You can't neglect the stone cold fact that guns are far more dangerous than a knife. If someone is going to kill without a gun they are not neccessarily going to kill, and they arn't if they have a gun either. But the chances are increased by a hell of a lot. You choice is a very strange thing in my eyes for you to do for various reasons you have expressed in the past.

 

 

 

And this governments falling stuff i don't buy. I don't think revolutions would ever happen in a country like America. Reform from above will always prevent revolution from below.

[Barihawk]

From a philosophical standpoint, the free ownership of firearms protects many nations from their own governments. The United States is no exception (and no, I am not exclusively talking about the current administration).

 

 

 

Think Voltaire.

 

 

 

Some nations can function with weapons bans, but not even close to all can do it. It depends on how the government is structured.

 

 

 

As for current gun crime, do you not know how many guns are manufactured illegally? The majority of guns used in illegal crimes are illegal weapons, purchased on the black market.

 

 

 

To stop them from being used as quick-weapons, I stand by my premise of psych testing.

[assassin_696]

What on earth do you mean by "protecting yourself from the government"? You live in a country that is absolutely democratic with enough failsafes and checks in the system that you don't need protection from the government.

 

 

 

Protecting yourself from criminals I could almost buy, but the government? Comeon.

[Barihawk]

I'm thinking back a little farther to King George, but meh.

 

 

 

My statement is more directed to a global scale. And I am merely defending the Second Amendment.

[assassin_696]

The Second Amendment is all very well, but it was written when America was a frontier country, and to some extent largely lawless. Can't you see that the law will have to change at somepoint if we are ever to make progress as a civilisation?

 

 

 

It won't ever be overnight, but the first step has to be breaking the myth that it's a God-given right to possess an instrument designed to kill.

[Satenza]

All theorys on revolution in established countrys like the USA are built in sand. If we come to an almost certain conclusion that we don't need it for protection from the Government then it leads to protection from criminals. If you argue this you are still nowhere near pro-life because the only way i could ever see you personally justifying murder in self defence would be if that person was going to murder you. Otherwise you would be delivering an unjust punishment to the criminal wouldn't you?

[1_man_army]

 

The majority of guns used in illegal crimes are illegal weapons, purchased on the black market.

 

 

 

 

I know I vowed to stay out of this debate but could you find me a statistic (from a respectable source) that supports that? Obviously I'd prefer an unbiased & respectable source as 63.7% of statistics are made up nowadays.

[deloriagod]

Can't you see that the law will have to change at somepoint if we are ever to make progress as a civilisation?

 

 

 

You don't know how long I've been waiting for someone other than myself to say this.. Seriously, laws need to change as society progresses. If anyone here has ever looked into those laws that are still around but no longer enforced, we could get in trouble for a lot of things we do these days.

 

 

 

I'm not for making guns illegal, however, I do think they should be harder to get your hands on than they are.

[Tigra00]

Can't you see that the law will have to change at somepoint if we are ever to make progress as a civilisation?

 

 

 

You don't know how long I've been waiting for someone other than myself to say this.. Seriously, laws need to change as society progresses. If anyone here has ever looked into those laws that are still around but no longer enforced, we could get in trouble for a lot of things we do these days.

 

 

 

I'm not for making guns illegal, however, I do think they should be harder to get your hands on than they are.

 

 

 

You CANNOT change the constitution. EVER.

 

 

 

The second you change ONE thing on it, everything is open to be changed. First amendment? Nope, no more. Fourth? Nope, sorry. Gone.

 

 

 

I'll let the rednecks keep their guns, thanks. I kinda' like being able to say what I want. The PATRIOT Act is already taking care of the fourth amendment. See my sig? Yea, that's due to the PATRIOT Act. Because of it, local police were able to raid my friend's house just because someone claimed he was selling drugs. They went in, found a pipe (but no drugs, he used the pipe for flavored tobacco lol) and then claimed that it was paraphenelia, and therefore, all his belongings were somehow purchased with drug money, so they took them and sold them at Sherriff Auction.

 

 

 

Nice, huh? Yea, I'm moving out of America ASAP. It'll be a police state soon enough.

[deloriagod]

 

You CANNOT change the constitution. EVER.

 

 

 

 

True, and that is going to be a downfall for our country.

[Satenza]

The fact that you can't change the constitution is not justification for keeping the law though. Slippery Slope arguments are not in my opinion good enough, as one thing can always lead to another. Just to point out, i am undecided about the argument of whether or not ban guns. If you really think the constitution is the only thing preventing your liberty as a pecie of writing then i don't envy your situation.

[Barihawk]

You can change it, just not the Bill of Rights (aka the first 10).

 

 

 

And I mainly argue against anti-Second legislation because if we weaken one of the 10, we can weaken them all.

[kelem_ryu]

 

You CANNOT change the constitution. EVER.

 

 

 

 

True, and that is going to be a downfall for our country.

 

 

 

I didn't know that (as i'm not american). Deloria might be right. I mean hypothetically, if every american would want the idk 7th thingy (whatever it may be) in your constitution/bill of rights or whatever to be abolished, it couldn't be done?! The guys who wrote this paper weren't very wise if you ask me.

 

 

 

On Topic some thoughts:

 

-Countrys with stricter gun policy have much less gun crimes.

 

-Yes guns are tools. They are tools designed to kill. Tools designed to kill are also called weapons.

 

-Nobody would plead to ban swords, bows or similar things and it's interesting enough that basically nobody uses them to kill anybody.

 

-The only weapons used for killing (in the sense of murdering in non war situations) are guns and knifes.

 

-You can't ban knifes, because need them in everyday situations, like chopping vegtables.

 

-the amazing thing about guns is, that killing is so easy with them. Just point and pull the trigger. As movies teach us ( :roll: ) especially first time killing is not as easy as some might imagine and takes some will to do. I think it is made easier with guns. I imagine it to be harder to take a knife and stab it into somebody, that just point and squeze your finger.

[Tigra00]

No, I meant you CAN change them, but you SHOULND'T. Thus "can't". As in, it'd be the worst thing ever.

 

 

 

Deloria, you think it'd be the downfall of America to never change the Constitution? You are aware that NOONE in the government is your friend, right? They're not here to make you life better. They're not here to protect you. When things start changing, it will be to remove more of your freedoms through sneaky bills the The PATRIOT Act. With that one bill, the government can essentially do whatever they want to you or your belongings, all they have to do is suspect you're a terrorist. All that takes is one "I'm going to kill you!" joking threat or some punk trying to get you into [cabbage] telling people you're an Al-Queda sympathizer or something.

 

 

 

You're welcome to buy into the "We are oh-so-free!" propoganda, but it jsut isn't true anymore, and the saddest thing is that the ones considered "Patriots" are the ignorant ones who follow the government and whatever they say. Our country was founded because the founders wanted freedmo from a tyranical country with crazy laws and stuff, and now we are becoming that same country, only modernized and, I'm guessing, it'll probably be worse. I'm sure I'll be alive when I see the day a lot of people decide to up and flock to a different country because ours will suck.

 

 

 

And yes, I am glad the Bill of Rights can never be changed, but guess what? It will be. Ever heard of the NAO? It's an idea that the government has been tossing around for a while now. It involves merging America, Canada and Mexico all as one "country" so that we all share the same interests and resources and blah blah blah. If that were to happen, the constitution and the Bill of Rights could be changed completely.

 

 

 

So have fun thinking the government is your friend. :) I'm moving to the Netherlands or something while I still can.

 

 

 

To the above poster: Those men who wrote those rights were the wisest men ever. They just wanted to live in a country that made sense for once, and reading the Bill of Rights is 100% proof of this. How many of those laws make NO SENSE? None. They all make perfect sense and are very free. How many laws NOW make no sense at all and should just be gone? A ton. We lost our wiseness in exchange for greed.