prayer

[Outsanity]

this is one of the huge things i don't like about runescape, besides the fact it takes so long to get 99's(plz don't respond to thAT)

 

 

 

please don't flame me for ranting, i thought this would b the right place

 

 

 

1.Don't put a ridiculous statement in your thread and tell people to not comment about it -.- .

 

 

 

2.The same sentence pretty muh answered itself :lol: .

 

 

 

3. Don't complain aout something being overpowered when you don't even have that skill in the highscores. My guess is that you died the Elvarg or something and yougot angry when you saw someone else go in using orayer and kill him with ease.

 

 

 

first off, i beat elvarg first try. second, prayer doesn't proect from his flame attack now does it?

 

 

 

Get over it. Prayer is useful, and by no means cheap. Oh...and by the way...it's the fastest Level 99 to get if you have the cash to buy d bones and a Gilded Altar. So don't give me any of that, "Takes too long to level," crap. lol.

 

 

 

sure, i doesn't take too long to level if you have a couple mil to spend on it. prayer is the way to buy into combat, without it, member pures would be obsolete, because they can't use prayer in place of their low defense. not many people have the what 60 constructioon to get a gilded alter, too damn expensive, same with buying d bones. you can call me a noob for saying that you can buy your way into combat, sure, but it won't be true. say there's a level 3 skiller. hes rich, most skillers are. he wants to get into combat, but is too afraid to train on stronger monsters that will level him faster. so what can he do? buy a high prayer level, use protection prayers, and voila, free combat exp almost. and don't give me that bs about having to use p pots all the time, if you weren't so impatient or if you were using prayer at a low level, then u could just pray to get it back.

 

 

 

i don't have a problem with stat boosting prayers, nor with the smite, retribution, and redemption prayers. save item was a good idea, but the 2x recover prayers are a little lame. protection prayers are the ones that make the game easier for you stuck up rich people.

 

 

 

First, off, and lets get this straight before I go any further...wealth does not determine attitude. You can not say that all rich people are stuck up. You have no solid proof nor evidence to back that statement up. And also, in my opinion, I feel the only reason you would make such a comment is the fact that it was derived from jealousy and laziness. Jealousy because you want something you don't have, and laziness because you refuse to work for it.

 

 

 

Now...I'd also like to make the point that it is not, by ANY means, difficult to become "wealthy" in game. Prayer is at an all-time low for cost, right now. Dragon bones used to be 3,000 Gp each...now they are 1,200 gp each. That is a MAJOR difference, and now, basically anyone can afford 99 Prayer. And if they can't, spend a good 2 or three weeks nature rune crafting and voilÃÆÃâÃâà...enough cash for 99 Prayer.

 

 

 

Also, it's just stupid to say that a level 3 would raise combat or prayer. They are skillers for a reason...they don't train combat, and if they do, (they aren't skillers, but...) they do it like EVERY OTHER person. You make it sound as though they are handicapped when it comes to combat training. I'm pretty sure they know more about training than most "combat people" do. They wouldn't need prayer to be able to train combat against monsters that they need to be training on, anyway. For example, a former skiller with 1 attack, strength and defense and 43 prayer won't be training on something much higher than level 15 or so, mainly because they won't be able to hit that monster well. (Unless it's defense is super low.)

 

 

 

I apologize if you feel I am singling you out, but your arguments just don't retain water, in all honesty.

[flava0falcon]

i cant agree with you because of a few things:

 

 

 

A) there is a prayer requirement for some quests (for example scorpion catcher)

 

 

 

B) the idea of prayer is that! and there are thigns you CANT do without prayer (for example try getting a fire cape without prayer...)

 

 

 

C)there is absolutly no way jagex will EVER take off prayer because so many players will stop playing the game

 

 

 

and apart from all that i cant see any idea to stop prayer without removing it so what do you suggest?!

[I_Fly_High_G]

So, I think you said you dont use protection prayers right? But.. if you look down, you said you do, just not on "normal" monsters.

 

 

 

what i'm trying to say is that prayer makes it impossible to be hit if you're fiughting a 1, count them chocobodude, 1 fighting style monster. prayer makes you invincible to these monsters while you are fighting, and make it possible to avoid taking damage, enabling a lower leveled player to beat a monster they couldn't with food. this also gives lower leveled pures an advantage in pvp, while not making them invincible, giving them the upper hand against stronger, but lower prayer players. in essence, this is buying your way into combat as well.

Most monsters that fight with only one style are so weak that you could easily finish them off with an inventory of sharks. I think this rant is like saying that Guthans is unfair because it makes you invincible against most creatures. This isn't true, just because you are too lazy to make money for Guthans/prayer doesn't mean that other people who aren't so lazy should be put at a disadvantage. I've checked your name on the high-scores, and you aren't ranked in prayer. Are you ranting because you never took the time to bury bones and are now being affected by it?

 

 

 

the only time i use prayer is in castle wars, and this isn't a rant, it's to discuss how prayer affects combat and how rich low level players can take advantage of this, i don't even care anymore, i wanted this topic to be closed

 

 

 

1.) You dont use protection prayers on "normal" monsters but yet you use it in castle wars, which I find is really pathetic when you are fighting someone and suddenly the protection prayer goes on..

 

 

 

2.) You dont have to be "rich" to have a high prayer, go bury some bones you find on the floor, or is it because you cant afford to have protection prayers? Cause it really isnt that hard to lvl up. So from what you said, you have prayers, but you dont "use" them, what is the point in having them at all, why not just leave it at 1?

 

 

 

3.) You got told basically on all 3 pages of this thread, closing this would be a smart idea >_>

 

 

 

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This is what you said about the KQ:

 

 

 

Assuming that your RSN is correct, maybe you're just mad because you can't use any of the protect prayers? And besides, things like barrowing and getting fire capes would be practically(barrows), and in some cases(Jad), completely, impossible without prayer. Now with quests, I agree that prayer is a cheap way out, but for anything else, it rocks. Try getting decent prayer and combat stats, go do some barrows, or try to kq, and then you might appreciate how hard it is without prayer.

 

 

 

i'm pretty sure that using prayer on kq wouldn'y do anything, she switches her attack so often. jad, a lot of low level people just range, and they beat him. no, i'm not mad that i can't use protections, i can't think of i time where i would use them...

 

 

 

1.) Have you every gone KQ'ing? Maybe you should go have a try before you say prayer doesn't work.

 

 

 

2.) People who actually are going for a fire cape, their invent mainly consists of Super Restore pots, and if you dont know what they do, they restore your stats (EVEN PRAYER), so just because you dont see that green vial of liquid, doesn't mean they just walk in there with nothing and range their way to a fire cape. Can you go kill jad and make a vid with no pray/super restore pots and put a link to it to back up your statement? "jad, a lot of low level people just range, and they beat him"

 

 

 

3.) Refer to the first quote, when you said you use prayer in castle wars..

[flava0falcon]

So, I think you said you dont use protection prayers right? But.. if you look down, you said you do, just not on "normal" monsters.

 

 

 

what i'm trying to say is that prayer makes it impossible to be hit if you're fiughting a 1, count them chocobodude, 1 fighting style monster. prayer makes you invincible to these monsters while you are fighting, and make it possible to avoid taking damage, enabling a lower leveled player to beat a monster they couldn't with food. this also gives lower leveled pures an advantage in pvp, while not making them invincible, giving them the upper hand against stronger, but lower prayer players. in essence, this is buying your way into combat as well.

Most monsters that fight with only one style are so weak that you could easily finish them off with an inventory of sharks. I think this rant is like saying that Guthans is unfair because it makes you invincible against most creatures. This isn't true, just because you are too lazy to make money for Guthans/prayer doesn't mean that other people who aren't so lazy should be put at a disadvantage. I've checked your name on the high-scores, and you aren't ranked in prayer. Are you ranting because you never took the time to bury bones and are now being affected by it?

 

 

 

the only time i use prayer is in castle wars, and this isn't a rant, it's to discuss how prayer affects combat and how rich low level players can take advantage of this, i don't even care anymore, i wanted this topic to be closed

 

 

 

1.) You dont use protection prayers on "normal" monsters but yet you use it in castle wars, which I find is really pathetic when you are fighting someone and suddenly the protection prayer goes on..

 

 

 

2.) You dont have to be "rich" to have a high prayer, go bury some bones you find on the floor, or is it because you cant afford to have protection prayers? Cause it really isnt that hard to lvl up. So from what you said, you have prayers, but you dont "use" them, what is the point in having them at all, why not just leave it at 1?

 

 

 

3.) You got told basically on all 3 pages of this thread, closing this would be a smart idea >_>

 

 

 

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This is what you said about the KQ:

 

 

 

Assuming that your RSN is correct, maybe you're just mad because you can't use any of the protect prayers? And besides, things like barrowing and getting fire capes would be practically(barrows), and in some cases(Jad), completely, impossible without prayer. Now with quests, I agree that prayer is a cheap way out, but for anything else, it rocks. Try getting decent prayer and combat stats, go do some barrows, or try to kq, and then you might appreciate how hard it is without prayer.

 

 

 

i'm pretty sure that using prayer on kq wouldn'y do anything, she switches her attack so often. jad, a lot of low level people just range, and they beat him. no, i'm not mad that i can't use protections, i can't think of i time where i would use them...

 

 

 

1.) Have you every gone KQ'ing? Maybe you should go have a try before you say prayer doesn't work.

 

 

 

2.) People who actually are going for a fire cape, their invent mainly consists of Super Restore pots, and if you dont know what they do, they restore your stats (EVEN PRAYER), so just because you dont see that green vial of liquid, doesn't mean they just walk in there with nothing and range their way to a fire cape. Can you go kill jad and make a vid with no pray/super restore pots and put a link to it to back up your statement? "jad, a lot of low level people just range, and they beat him"

 

 

 

3.) Refer to the first quote, when you said you use prayer in castle wars..

apart from that jad has range and mage attacks...

[Foetid_Aeon]

and don't say you can just use a workshop in your house because it takes money to get your construction up that high as well.

 

 

 

No it doesn't.

[Arambul]

So you're saying that you'd rather waste a lot more money on food but still not be able to kill some monsters? Besides, you act like everyone just walks around killing monsters with protect from melee on.

[GrimHams]

Agreed, protection prayers are so powerful they should be at level 58 - mage prot, 62 - range 68 - melee.

[flava0falcon]

Agreed, protection prayers are so powerful they should be at level 58 - mage prot, 62 - range 68 - melee.

his point is that protection prayers should be canceled...i think... :-k

[Latinoking]

Not much to argue now due to the fact that this author has been shown wrong time and time again. I say let this topic die. :boohoo:

[flava0falcon]

Not much to argue now due to the fact that this author has been shown wrong time and time again. I say let this topic die. :boohoo:

i say let this topic get locked L :D L

[One Too Far]

 

 

 

first off, i beat elvarg first try. second, prayer doesn't proect from his flame attack now does it?

 

 

 

sure, i doesn't take too long to level if you have a couple mil to spend on it. prayer is the way to buy into combat, without it, member pures would be obsolete, because they can't use prayer in place of their low defense. not many people have the what 60 constructioon to get a gilded alter, too damn expensive, same with buying d bones. you can call me a noob for saying that you can buy your way into combat, sure, but it won't be true. say there's a level 3 skiller. hes rich, most skillers are. he wants to get into combat, but is too afraid to train on stronger monsters that will level him faster. so what can he do? buy a high prayer level, use protection prayers, and voila, free combat exp almost. and don't give me that bs about having to use p pots all the time, if you weren't so impatient or if you were using prayer at a low level, then u could just pray to get it back.

 

 

 

i don't have a problem with stat boosting prayers, nor with the smite, retribution, and redemption prayers. save item was a good idea, but the 2x recover prayers are a little lame. protection prayers are the ones that make the game easier for you stuck up rich people.

 

 

 

1- elvarg is prayable with fire pots, mellee pray and anti fire shield.

 

 

 

2- Since when are P2P pures using pray? They almost never have pray. its that a requierd quest of dt gives level 11 prayer.

 

 

 

3- getting my 50 pray was easy, only spend 1 mil on it so 50 wont be a problem either, and i took the expensive route. And also does it matter if you: spend 5 hours picking flax to get 1 mil and spend it on bones to get the prayer level you want in 1 hour or: collect bones yourself and get it in 6 hours? same time spend, money takes time,xp takes time so its no problem. and since when is it usefull to attack high level beasts if you got level 1 in all combat stats except pray and hitpoints? high level beasts don't go faster...

[berbatovsky]

 

 

 

first off, i beat elvarg first try. second, prayer doesn't proect from his flame attack now does it?

 

 

 

sure, i doesn't take too long to level if you have a couple mil to spend on it. prayer is the way to buy into combat, without it, member pures would be obsolete, because they can't use prayer in place of their low defense. not many people have the what 60 constructioon to get a gilded alter, too damn expensive, same with buying d bones. you can call me a noob for saying that you can buy your way into combat, sure, but it won't be true. say there's a level 3 skiller. hes rich, most skillers are. he wants to get into combat, but is too afraid to train on stronger monsters that will level him faster. so what can he do? buy a high prayer level, use protection prayers, and voila, free combat exp almost. and don't give me that bs about having to use p pots all the time, if you weren't so impatient or if you were using prayer at a low level, then u could just pray to get it back.

 

 

 

i don't have a problem with stat boosting prayers, nor with the smite, retribution, and redemption prayers. save item was a good idea, but the 2x recover prayers are a little lame. protection prayers are the ones that make the game easier for you stuck up rich people.

 

 

 

1- elvarg is prayable with fire pots, mellee pray and anti fire shield.

 

 

 

2- Since when are P2P pures using pray? They almost never have pray. its that a requierd quest of dt gives level 11 prayer.

 

 

 

3- getting my 50 pray was easy, only spend 1 mil on it so 50 wont be a problem either, and i took the expensive route. And also does it matter if you: spend 5 hours picking flax to get 1 mil and spend it on bones to get the prayer level you want in 1 hour or: collect bones yourself and get it in 6 hours? same time spend, money takes time,xp takes time so its no problem. and since when is it usefull to attack high level beasts if you got level 1 in all combat stats except pray and hitpoints? high level beasts don't go faster...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point again is that you assume everyone is liek you and uses their wealth to make leveling quick, some of us dont, some of us didnt feel like picking thousands of flax, or 'borrowing' money from a friend, or whatever, some of us worked hard for our stats. I'm not telling anyone how to play but what i am saying is that I should not be punished because its easy for someone else to lvl by throwing money at it. If you think that you can get the bones for lvl 50 in 6 hours you obviously have no clue, you can only do things that fast in Rscape if you throw money at it.

 

 

 

The arguments are clear, on one side high levels with 10's of millions who want higher requirments so they can feel more Leet and on the other the voices of reason.

[rareghoul1]

Not much to argue now due to the fact that this author has been shown wrong time and time again. I say let this topic die. :boohoo:

i say let this topic get locked L :D L

 

 

 

i've already asked for it to be :D

[theseercull]

Well some monsters...*ahem Jad* Cannot be beaten without prayer. Prayer is an important part of this game and killing monsters with the aid of prayer is not nearly unfair, seeing as they aren't played by people. Jagex in their great wisdom *Please don't quote me lol* decided to make prayer only 50% effective against players, which can also turn on prayer and use different weapons and tactics to turn the tables upon the "Prayer Noob" as they are often called for being intelligient enough to include that in their fighting methods.[/i]

[Kill_Life]

Let's keep it nice people :shame:

 

Just because you don't agree with someone his oppionion, you don't need to start flaming about it.

 

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~Kill Life