this is one of the huge things i don't like about runescape, besides the fact it takes so long to get 99's(plz don't respond to thAT), is that u can have 43 or more prayer,prayer pots, and b able to beat any monster in the game, with the exception of KBD KQ and dream mentor monsters. at these high level prayers, you can just take p pots to any monster besides these and not need food, besides dragons as well. doesn't this seem unfair, you can be invincible just because you buried some bones? granted prayer is hard to get up, but you can also buy your way into it.

 

 

 

do you like being invincible because of prayer, or do you think it's a fatal flaw of the game(or just a flaw)?

 

 

 

please don't flame me for ranting, i thought this would b the right place

I love prayer. Plus, in P2P combat, it doesn't make you fully invincible...

No, its the wrong place, rants forum? This is pathetic anyway, all the really hard and profitable monsters in rs cant just be prayed against, as they use multi attacks. It all evens out as pray pots and levelling are so expensive.

There are many monsters that are able to hit through prayer.

 

 

 

Prayer potions cost money, and no, you can't just survive on prayer potios.

I love prayer. Plus, in P2P combat, it doesn't make you fully invincible...

 

 

 

it's pvp and im not talking asbout that

*sigh* this wasn't aimed at 200+ monsters who can hit through prayer

 

 

 

and this is open for discussion, not really a rant...

It is pretty cheap during quests. But for kq and such not really. The longer you last the better. But during a quest fight it should be difficult instead of pray melee and whip it... I love Dream Mentor quest just for the fighting

erkid"]It is pretty cheap during quests. But for kq and such not really. The longer you last the better. But during a quest fight it should be difficult instead of pray melee and whip it... I love Dream Mentor quest just for the fighting

 

 

 

that's why i approve of the kq and dream mentor, you can't just pray it through

We are not invincible because of prayer. For most of the hard quests now, monsters are coming with more than 1 style of attack which counters the weakness of our prayer, being able to only activate one type of protective prayer. Almost all boss monsters locations contains with more than 1 style of attack.

once again, not talking about boss monsters, take slayer tasks for example, the few monsters that break through your prayer are dragons, and even they can be protected against using anti dragon shield and anti dragon breath pots+ protect against melee

I meant pvp in my last post. :oops:

 

 

 

It's not that much of a problem outside of PvP anyway, considering the costs of prayer pots and how certain monsters can switch combat styles...

I meant pvp in my last post. :oops:

 

 

 

It's not that much of a problem outside of PvP anyway, considering the costs of prayer pots and how certain monsters can switch combat styles...

 

 

 

once again, we're not talking about those kinds of monsters, and if people didn't waste their money on rare/ trimmed armor, they wouldn't find p pots so expensive

prayer is overrated in my opinion. I don't feel like elaborating on that simply because i'm tired but thats my opinion so :P

I meant pvp in my last post. :oops:

 

 

 

It's not that much of a problem outside of PvP anyway, considering the costs of prayer pots and how certain monsters can switch combat styles...

 

 

 

once again, we're not talking about those kinds of monsters, and if people didn't waste their money on rare/ trimmed armor, they wouldn't find p pots so expensive

 

 

 

Excuse me? In your first post, you never said which monsters we're talking about specifically, then you later said we're excluding boss monsters. Quit trying to bend the topic of this thread to make my posts irrelevant.

 

 

 

And what on earth did trimmed/god armor have to do with any of that? I don't even think i have to explain on why that was irrelevant.

I meant pvp in my last post. :oops:

 

 

 

It's not that much of a problem outside of PvP anyway, considering the costs of prayer pots and how certain monsters can switch combat styles...

 

 

 

once again, we're not talking about those kinds of monsters, and if people didn't waste their money on rare/ trimmed armor, they wouldn't find p pots so expensive

 

 

 

Excuse me? In your first post, you never said which monsters we're talking about specifically, then you later said we're excluding boss monsters. Quit trying to bend the topic of this thread to make my posts irrelevant.

 

 

 

And what on earth did trimmed/god armor have to do with any of that? I don't even think i have to explain on why that was irrelevant.

 

 

 

i did say with te exception of KQ, KBD etc... that does mean boss monsters, and i said it 2 more times in new posts. you complained that p pots were too expensive, sell your rares and trimmed armor and u'll find that they're not so expensive anymore.

Sorry, but the way you are precieving this is horrible. you seem to think that if someone if fighting, lets say trolls, that if they use just prayer potions, they are worse than people who use food. Please tell me why? one product heals you, the other makes it possible to not have to heal at all. they are the same thing in a sense. Also, its not practical for people to use prayer potions all the time at 2kgp(ish) per dose.

 

 

 

im having a hard time trying to understand what you are telling me, or i do understand, and i simply dont think it is logical.

Goraks, Verac, fight cave monsters excluding jad, dagannoths, Suqahs, and anything with multiple attack styles can hit through prayer.

Sorry, but the way you are precieving this is horrible. you seem to think that if someone if fighting, lets say trolls, that if they use just prayer potions, they are worse than people who use food. Please tell me why? one product heals you, the other makes it possible to not have to heal at all. they are the same thing in a sense. Also, its not practical for people to use prayer potions all the time at 2kgp(ish) per dose.

 

 

 

im having a hard time trying to understand what you are telling me, or i do understand, and i simply dont think it is logical.

 

 

 

what i'm trying to say is that prayer makes it impossible to be hit if you're fiughting a 1, count them chocobodude, 1 fighting style monster. prayer makes you invincible to these monsters while you are fighting, and make it possible to avoid taking damage, enabling a lower leveled player to beat a monster they couldn't with food. this also gives lower leveled pures an advantage in pvp, while not making them invincible, giving them the upper hand against stronger, but lower prayer players. in essence, this is buying your way into combat as well.

I meant pvp in my last post. :oops:

 

 

 

It's not that much of a problem outside of PvP anyway, considering the costs of prayer pots and how certain monsters can switch combat styles...

 

 

 

once again, we're not talking about those kinds of monsters, and if people didn't waste their money on rare/ trimmed armor, they wouldn't find p pots so expensive

 

 

 

Excuse me? In your first post, you never said which monsters we're talking about specifically, then you later said we're excluding boss monsters. Quit trying to bend the topic of this thread to make my posts irrelevant.

 

 

 

And what on earth did trimmed/god armor have to do with any of that? I don't even think i have to explain on why that was irrelevant.

 

 

 

i did say with te exception of KQ, KBD etc... that does mean boss monsters, and i said it 2 more times in new posts. you complained that p pots were too expensive, sell your rares and trimmed armor and u'll find that they're not so expensive anymore.

 

 

 

I didn't complain, I'm saying that it keeps prayer from being overused (in most cases). Do NOT put words in my mouth.

 

 

 

And why should I sell my trimmed/god armor, rares, etc. for p pots? I'm not complaining about price, that statement was just thrown in there as fluff.

thats why there are monsters that drain prayer, and monsters like the 702, that would make a 1 hit ko without prayer. Also, prayer is very expensive, not only to train, but to use pots as well, with good results comes a price.

 

 

 

once again, not talking about boss monsters, take slayer tasks for example, the few monsters that break through your prayer are dragons, and even they can be protected against using anti dragon shield and anti dragon breath pots+ protect against melee

not talking about bosses, pvp? what the hell are you talking about then? also, nobody uses prayer on slayer tasks, except for metal dragons, because otherwise they would be too difficult to kill, you would only be able to kill one per trip.

 

 

 

Nobody is going to waste 7k to kill 5 trolls, and then 70k to kill 50 trolls, money doesn't grow on trees.

I agree with you. It's ridiculous that at lvl 43 prayer you cannot be harmed by for example lvl 170 black demons. The prayer should prevent some damage, but not all. In pvp it's much better.

 

 

 

Not all boss monsters use mutliple attack styles. And even of the couple that do, it is too easy to just wear protective stuff for one attack style and pray to the other.

 

The hardest quest bosses are still the ones where prayers cannot be used. Doesn't that say enough?

 

 

 

But i cannot imagine the game without them. The mere thought of Jad without prayers that fully protect you.... :ohnoes:

 

 

 

my 2 cents :)

Is it seriously time for another one of these, "Omg! Prayer is cheating! I hate it! Noobs use prayer! Blah Blah Blah," threads?

 

 

 

Get over it. Prayer is useful, and by no means cheap. Oh...and by the way...it's the fastest Level 99 to get if you have the cash to buy d bones and a Gilded Altar. So don't give me any of that, "Takes too long to level," crap. lol.

nobody uses prayer on slayer tasks, except for metal dragons.

 

So I'm the only one who using prayer against Aberrant Specters?

 

I've only ever seen one person not use prayer and he got owned.

 

 

 

money doesn't grow on trees.

 

:mrgreen: Had to say this ...Money is made paper, paper is made from trees.

 

 

 

This topic seems a little stupid.

 

 

 

Pro's of prayer

 

Reduced PvP damage

 

No damage from most monsters

 

 

 

Con's of Prayer

 

Very Expensive to train

 

Costs money to use (even if your not using prayer potions you still have to use a alter which normally costs laws to get to)

 

Prayer Armour is generally low defence.

 

Some monsters can damage through it.

 

Can not be trained as well using pest control.

 

 

 

As you can see its not all good.

I agree with the OP, although the point has not come across well. 43 prayer is ~50k xp (which is pretty much nothing) to make you invincible against a ridiculous amount of monsters. Now for the most part, I have no problem using prayer for training - it is sometimes very useful to ensure that you dont lose damage, but I do have a problem for quests.

 

 

 

When the quest says that you should be able to kill a level 100+ monster, this is pretty trivial for anyone with 43 prayer just to keep hammering away at them until dead. You can see that some of the more recent quest bosses have been altered to take that into account (Contact boss, Troll King, Dream mentor boss), which I think is definitely a step in the right direction.

 

 

 

43 prayer used to be pretty hard to get, just from buying bones and the like, but with the ectofunctus, dragon bones, and more recently, the gilded altar, prayer has become pretty easy to level, and the old benchmarks have become rather dated.

 

 

 

I would like the protect spells raised to about 60 pray (for melee protect), or to make them reduce the damage taken but not completely. Sadly, I doubt either of these are going to happen, but I can live in hope!

this is one of the huge things i don't like about runescape, besides the fact it takes so long to get 99's(plz don't respond to thAT)

 

 

 

please don't flame me for ranting, i thought this would b the right place

 

 

 

1.Don't put a ridiculous statement in your thread and tell people to not comment about it -.- .

 

 

 

2.The same sentence pretty muh answered itself :lol: .

 

 

 

3. Don't complain aout something being overpowered when you don't even have that skill in the highscores. My guess is that you died the Elvarg or something and yougot angry when you saw someone else go in using orayer and kill him with ease.