Read - Proposed Board Changes for the Clan Category

[gkitti]

If you're going to try to increase clan activity on tip.it, you might need to add a sticky for a clan directory to prevent a ton of topics asking for links to certain clan forums and other information.

 

as a matter of fact, i just pmed a list of clans and sites to das. :D

[the_tallest1]

I made the changes listed in the first post earlier today. Hopefully I got all the stickies related to the boards changed where needed.

 

 

 

In response to gkitti's ideas from earlier in the topic, here are some explanations and reasons for certain things.

 

 

 

1. first off, allow the use of signatures. a top clan's greates pride is in creating/showing off signatures that promote their clan.

 

 

 

2. admins should set the forum to allow people to see who is viewing the forums. it promotes more activity when people see 20+ people viewing or replying to a topic.

 

 

 

3. never let more than a few clan discussion mods to be from the same clan. mods are only human and will become biased and cause ill will within other clans.

 

 

 

1. This might be a case of creative advertisement in sigs. I know some other board have larger allowances than we do but we try to keep ours as a balance between creativity and spam. Personally I don't like getting distracted by an insanely huge sig but I also like to have enough room to be a little bit creative with the space down there. The limits were altered within the recent past but will be revisited in the future again.

 

 

 

2. The who's online for topics has been turned off to help reduce the number of queries the database handles. It's also why you can't see who's online when you aren't logged in, unnecessary server strain. I do agree it's interesting to see who's looking at what specific thread but functionality won out over perks in this case.

 

 

 

3. I couldn't agree with you more on this last one. I think very careful attention to distribution of mods in terms of clans is very important. In the same vein, I believe that mods should not act on things that relate to their friends or clan. Conflicts of interest make otherwise right decisions appear wrong even when there's nothing going on. It's easier on everyone involved when you know you won't hear "well that's his clan's rival, of course he locked it."

 

 

 

Seeing as how this topic has started some good discussion I don't see the point in closing it down now that the changes were made. I like the good constructive comments and suggestions. Please feel free to keep them coming.

[Total_Riot]

How is DF taking over RSC? They only have 2 mods, one a senior mod and another a senior member. And that senior mod has to answer to a DI and clanless mod.

 

 

 

But k. I would suggest that you let all mods let the flame wars go on and never close the topic or delete posts. Because when you close a topic, the clan that won will complain and ask why they couldn't just delete the posts or let them have a bit of fun. If you delete posts, you will be called biased. There is no escaping that no matter what clan you're from. And if you're clanless, you will be yelled at for not knowing anything about clans so to never mod clans again.

 

 

 

Actually now that I think about it, if you let the flame wars go on, clans will complain because flaming makes the community look like crap and will move on to another forum. I guess there is no way around it.

 

 

 

The above is the truth, I can guarantee you.

[gkitti]

as we have said, we find the atmosphere here to be a little more tolerable.

[Satenza]

How is DF taking over RSC? They only have 2 mods, one a senior mod and another a senior member. And that senior mod has to answer to a DI and clanless mod.

 

 

 

But k. I would suggest that you let all mods let the flame wars go on and never close the topic or delete posts. Because when you close a topic, the clan that won will complain and ask why they couldn't just delete the posts or let them have a bit of fun. If you delete posts, you will be called biased. There is no escaping that no matter what clan you're from. And if you're clanless, you will be yelled at for not knowing anything about clans so to never mod clans again.

 

 

 

Actually now that I think about it, if you let the flame wars go on, clans will complain because flaming makes the community look like crap and will move on to another forum. I guess there is no way around it.

 

 

 

The above is the truth, I can guarantee you.

 

 

 

It goes with the territory. You just have to balance everything out and make sure decisions are made for a reason which you can make fully aware. People will still argue with you sure but at least members who are mature (ie, most clan leaders) can respect your decisions and not start to vacate the boards again because of them.

[Gamerr]

Well, I've noticed that one of the draws towards activity on RSC, is the rank of "CL" or "Community Leader." You probably know what that is, but for those who do not, it's a regular member of the community that has the ability to moderate a certain group of forums. It can be compared with the "Assistant Forum Moderator" at RuneVillage. It's basically the step before becoming a moderator. The chance that, by good posting, a person may be considered for modship goes a long way. It promotes activity, thoughtful posts and some healthy discussion.

 

 

 

I'm fairly sure that Tip It wouldn't do that, so that's one thing that RSC will have over Tip It. The easy step up for ranks.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh yeah, I'm an ex-CL on RSC and I don't really play that much. I just want to get the community back to where, like Gkitti said, people can post a topic and not have it locked 5 minutes later. I'm not expecting to be active here, so yeah.

 

 

 

RuneVillage to the core (H)

 

 

 

[Total_Riot]

How is DF taking over RSC? They only have 2 mods, one a senior mod and another a senior member. And that senior mod has to answer to a DI and clanless mod.

 

 

 

But k. I would suggest that you let all mods let the flame wars go on and never close the topic or delete posts. Because when you close a topic, the clan that won will complain and ask why they couldn't just delete the posts or let them have a bit of fun. If you delete posts, you will be called biased. There is no escaping that no matter what clan you're from. And if you're clanless, you will be yelled at for not knowing anything about clans so to never mod clans again.

 

 

 

Actually now that I think about it, if you let the flame wars go on, clans will complain because flaming makes the community look like crap and will move on to another forum. I guess there is no way around it.

 

 

 

The above is the truth, I can guarantee you.

 

 

 

It goes with the territory. You just have to balance everything out and make sure decisions are made for a reason which you can make fully aware. People will still argue with you sure but at least members who are mature (ie, most clan leaders) can respect your decisions and not start to vacate the boards again because of them.

 

The irony. Though I'm sure you didn't mean to flame CoR in that post lol.

[warwiz005]

as we have said, we find the atmosphere here to be a little more tolerable.

 

 

 

You say that because there is no atmosphere here yet. I mean, the reason RSC is a very tense forum at times is because we are so [bleep]ing big. RSC as a whole averages probably around 300-500 members on at a time. CD being the most active of the boards there it can be hard to maintain such a tight and unproblematic community.

 

 

 

The CD staff has a team of nearly 25ish CLs and Moderators including myself (Although I'm basically retired, I still consider myself part of the team.) Of course you're going to get a little bit of bias here and there, what do you expect though.

 

 

 

You think you are going to turn this community into a Clan powerhouse because "they don't have bias mods" and "theres no tension here." Thats probably because it doesn't have an active clan community like it used to. Apparently you don't remember Tipit back then. It was a bias [cabbage]hole. And thats why everyone left and went to RSC. Now you are pulling the same thing that people pulled here. And if Tipit ever (which it won't) peaks at the clan community again like previous it will just happen again. Then people like you will [bleep] about bias and flaming and go back to RSC or another related forum. I mean, pick a [bleep]ing forum for christs sake?

 

 

 

RSC can't do every alright. Things are being taken care of. I agree, RSC has gotten out of hand, and definitely isn't what it used to be. But of course you're going to see things differently from your perspectives as you are rivals with DF, just and DF members would see with Rob and such. Your clan status can really throw off whats reality and whats not.

 

 

 

Well I hope you find what you're looking for in this forum, Gkitti.

[das]

 

 

 

You think you are going to turn this community into a Clan powerhouse because "they don't have bias mods" and "theres no tension here." Thats probably because it doesn't have an active clan community like it used to. Apparently you don't remember Tipit back then. It was a bias [cabbage]. And thats why everyone left and went to RSC. Now you are pulling the same thing that people pulled here. And if Tipit ever (which it won't) peaks at the clan community again like previous it will just happen again. Then people like you will [bleep] about bias and flaming and go back to RSC or another related forum. I mean, pick a [bleep] forum for christs sake?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently you do not remember tip.it from before the biased problems that were sadly on this forum, When tip.it was #1 there were never cries of biased moderating. But sadly changes occurred that affected the entire forum as a whole, and the current staff is working hard to repair those damages

 

 

 

There were issues in the past no doubt about it, I left then as well. Times have changed and we will not have biased issues. She has picked a forum I believe because she on her own will posted on more than one clan forum to encourage people to come here.

 

 

 

How do you know I am not full of bull? Because as one of the users who left , I know what happened and I know what needs to be done to run a clan community correctly.

 

 

 

 

 

We don't plan to lock and hide your forum topic for recruiting if you don't link back to us, Because we feel that is not needed.

 

We don't plan to use "locking" as a solution to flaming, but rather use the split button, and work with our users. We Plan to retake #1 among clans by not being biased, and listening to the clan community

[warwiz005]

Lol, ok. I do remember the bias cries that occurred here. If you really want to give me an example, I'd love to.

 

 

 

Feel free to let your topics run on after endless flaming. I'm sure many people want to support a forum that will let real-life flaming and derogatory comments go untouched, because it will get to that point if you don't draw a line somewhere.

 

 

 

Ok, so theres not going to be bias between any of your whopping three CD moderators. I get that. Not like there could since you all belong to no name clans, and none of you seem to realize what it takes to run a full on active clan community.

 

 

 

I enjoy seeing your huge clan staff take on a flame topic with over 100-200 users posting at once. You guys weren't even juggling such a crowd back in your glory days.

[das]

Ok, so theres not going to be bias between any of your whopping three CD moderators. I get that. Not like there could since you all belong to no name clans, and none of you seem to realize what it takes to run a full on active clan community.

 

 

 

During 2001-2003 I was a member of the wanderers, Perhaps you did not play runescape then, but it was a top ranked clan from 2001-2003. A top #1-3 for all 3 years.

 

 

 

As for my last clan KoFH? Former and current Di members Judiacator , Fear Ninja (humpme), Nitestalker8, Jens14, The Lord88, Pker Dude Jr, Just4u2nv jr, among other notables from both classic and rs2 were members, So don't speak to what you know nothing of.

 

 

 

 

I enjoy seeing your huge clan staff take on a flame topic with over 100-200 users posting at once. You guys weren't even juggling such a crowd back in your glory days.

 

I enjoy seeing the day I prove you wrong :)

 

 

 

Lol, ok. I do remember the bias cries that occurred here. If you really want to give me an example, I'd love to.

No need too, I remember when the clan boards were locked for a week, to punish us, I left then too, So dont tell me what was wrong then, Because I know

 

 

 

 

Feel free to let your topics run on after endless flaming. I'm sure many people want to support a forum that will let real-life flaming and derogatory comments go untouched, because it will get to that point if you don't draw a line somewhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps you should go read our rules on our War and Run in board before making a statement

 

 

 

We only ask that you keep two important things in mind: Observe the main forum rules (Ex. No posting pornographic or inappropriate material) and be careful with flaming. You may bicker and debate on who wore what gear and who got help from whom, but please do not flame people based on their lifestyle, race, gender, or personal beliefs. Keep your insults RS related if you feel the urge to act like a jerk.

 

 

 

Any questions?

 

I look forward to suggestions from you or anyone, we are remodeling and we want our users and the clanworld to help define the road we take in our remodeling.

 

Lets stop rehashing how bad we sucked in the past, because I dont think anyone here is not going to say the past was flawless and perfect because it was not, we realize that and we want to forge a better future with our users and the clanworld. Lets work together?

[warwiz005]

During 2001-2003 I was a member of the wanderers, Perhaps you did not play runescape then, but it was a top ranked clan from 2001-2003. A top #1-3 for all 3 years.

 

 

 

As for my last clan KoFH? Former and current Di members Judiacator , Fear Ninja (humpme), Nitestalker8, Jens14, The Lord88, Pker Dude Jr, Just4u2nv jr, among other notables from both classic and rs2 were members, So don't speak to what you know nothing of.

 

 

 

No I did not play back then. But I do know who the Wanderers are. But thats irrelevant, when I was referring to the no-name clans, firstly I was referring to the ones you currently reside in, and secondly, I pointed that out because its hard to be bias towards a clan that isn't active in the clan community and don't do anything.

 

 

 

Cool, I was in the Sacred Templars! We were a top ranked clan not but a year ago. I was in Phobia, the top ranked junior-clan for some time. I was in EH, now arguably the top clan in runescape. Do I want a [bleep]ing cookie for this? No. I too can name off important members. Broski? Flummbullen? Hurtbullen? Darkpaladin9? Ommoht? Bogdan22? etc etc.

 

 

 

I enjoy seeing the day I prove you wrong Smile

 

 

 

I can't stick around the internet forever?

 

 

 

No need too, I remember when the clan boards were locked for a week, to punish us, I left then too, So dont tell me what was wrong then, Because I know

 

 

 

Then why'd you say earlier there were no bias cries during the downfall of Tipper's clan reign?

 

 

 

 

Perhaps you should go read our rules on our War and Run in board before making a statement

 

 

 

Sorry, I was under the impression there weren't any rules here at Tipit besides ban on sight for uncropped images.

[das]

was referring to the ones you currently reside in,[

 

 

 

The clan I currently reside is in closed, I founded KoFH, its damn hard to run a clan, work a part time job and go to college,And my Co-leader had real life problems that needed to be dealt with so the clan had to go. Currently I have been considering joining a multitude of clans, Including DI and BK.

 

 

Then why'd you say earlier there were no bias cries during the downfall of Tipper's clan reign?

 

If I led you to believe there was never any problems, I am sorry I made a post that made you think there was none, Because there was and I too left then.

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I was under the impression there weren't any rules here at Tipit besides ban on sight for uncropped images.

 

It would appear you're under the wrong impression. I'm not sure what else to say in reply to this beyond the fact that you countered my perfectly valid reference to rules with an unrelated accusation which isn't true and was only said to discredit. I'm pretty much done debating someone who's starting to exagerate things to makes invalid points

[gkitti]

seriously warwiz, if you dont support the use of tipit, then go back to rsc and have fun. i am quiet sure that when the need arises, more cd mods will be appointed. and i am also sure that tipit staff will do their best to appoint a balanced order of mods and keep an eye on them. just because the majority of users here are from quiter clans, doesnt mean that tipit staff members havnt been around the block and know what it is like to handle top clans and issues.

 

however, i myself will support punishing and suspending any old or new users who try to turn tipit into a bullcrap penis size comparing forum like rsc has become.

[Igna]

Warwiz, you don't know what you're talking about. Go home.

[Gamerr]

You say that because there is no atmosphere here yet. I mean, the reason RSC is a very tense forum at times is because we are so [bleep] big. RSC as a whole averages probably around 300-500 members on at a time. CD being the most active of the boards there it can be hard to maintain such a tight and unproblematic community.

 

 

 

The CD staff has a team of nearly 25ish CLs and Moderators including myself (Although I'm basically retired, I still consider myself part of the team.) Of course you're going to get a little bit of bias here and there, what do you expect though.

 

 

 

You think you are going to turn this community into a Clan powerhouse because "they don't have bias mods" and "theres no tension here." Thats probably because it doesn't have an active clan community like it used to. Apparently you don't remember Tipit back then. It was a bias [cabbage]. And thats why everyone left and went to RSC. Now you are pulling the same thing that people pulled here. And if Tipit ever (which it won't) peaks at the clan community again like previous it will just happen again. Then people like you will [bleep] about bias and flaming and go back to RSC or another related forum. I mean, pick a [bleep] forum for christs sake?

 

 

 

RSC can't do every alright. Things are being taken care of. I agree, RSC has gotten out of hand, and definitely isn't what it used to be. But of course you're going to see things differently from your perspectives as you are rivals with DF, just and DF members would see with Rob and such. Your clan status can really throw off whats reality and whats not.

 

 

 

Nice non-constructive comments.

[warwiz005]

You say that because there is no atmosphere here yet. I mean, the reason RSC is a very tense forum at times is because we are so [bleep] big. RSC as a whole averages probably around 300-500 members on at a time. CD being the most active of the boards there it can be hard to maintain such a tight and unproblematic community.

 

 

 

The CD staff has a team of nearly 25ish CLs and Moderators including myself (Although I'm basically retired, I still consider myself part of the team.) Of course you're going to get a little bit of bias here and there, what do you expect though.

 

 

 

You think you are going to turn this community into a Clan powerhouse because "they don't have bias mods" and "theres no tension here." Thats probably because it doesn't have an active clan community like it used to. Apparently you don't remember Tipit back then. It was a bias [cabbage]. And thats why everyone left and went to RSC. Now you are pulling the same thing that people pulled here. And if Tipit ever (which it won't) peaks at the clan community again like previous it will just happen again. Then people like you will [bleep] about bias and flaming and go back to RSC or another related forum. I mean, pick a [bleep] forum for christs sake?

 

 

 

RSC can't do every alright. Things are being taken care of. I agree, RSC has gotten out of hand, and definitely isn't what it used to be. But of course you're going to see things differently from your perspectives as you are rivals with DF, just and DF members would see with Rob and such. Your clan status can really throw off whats reality and whats not.

 

 

 

Nice non-constructive comments.

 

 

 

Nice non-constructive flame.

[Loge_05]

Kthx. Goodbye now.

[mario_sunny]

You say that because there is no atmosphere here yet. I mean, the reason RSC is a very tense forum at times is because we are so [bleep] big. RSC as a whole averages probably around 300-500 members on at a time. CD being the most active of the boards there it can be hard to maintain such a tight and unproblematic community.

 

 

 

The CD staff has a team of nearly 25ish CLs and Moderators including myself (Although I'm basically retired, I still consider myself part of the team.) Of course you're going to get a little bit of bias here and there, what do you expect though.

 

 

 

You think you are going to turn this community into a Clan powerhouse because "they don't have bias mods" and "theres no tension here." Thats probably because it doesn't have an active clan community like it used to. Apparently you don't remember Tipit back then. It was a bias [cabbage]. And thats why everyone left and went to RSC. Now you are pulling the same thing that people pulled here. And if Tipit ever (which it won't) peaks at the clan community again like previous it will just happen again. Then people like you will [bleep] about bias and flaming and go back to RSC or another related forum. I mean, pick a [bleep] forum for christs sake?

 

 

 

RSC can't do every alright. Things are being taken care of. I agree, RSC has gotten out of hand, and definitely isn't what it used to be. But of course you're going to see things differently from your perspectives as you are rivals with DF, just and DF members would see with Rob and such. Your clan status can really throw off whats reality and whats not.

 

 

 

Nice non-constructive comments.

 

 

 

Nice non-constructive flame.

 

 

 

So why are you still here? If you hate tip.it so much then stop posting on tip.it and go back to RSC.

 

 

 

I may not be an active clan-world expert, but hell I've been a tip.iter for two years and I know how tip.it works. And if there's anything I've learned about tip.it is that the staff learns from their mistakes. We made a huge mistake, I can admit that. But are we going to do the same thing? No, we're not those idiots on RSOF.

 

 

 

We're going to review our mistakes, fix them, and take back our clan community.