Player mods, do they even help?

[thehate]

you guys are wrong on one thing... mods are never expected of going out their way to report people, like people here seem to think they can just call them to report people instead themselves doing it, but well, guess thats just normal ignorance, even though its common sense mods aren't asked to do this. Btw i neither expected to become a mod, when i got a message from jagex ididn't open it for 3 hours after noticing it, simply thinking it COULD be something negative, though i dunno what it would have been. then i remembered the update post saying they will start to make pmods again from the morning and decided to check the post anyway.

[wretched_axe]

you guys are wrong on one thing... mods are never expected of going out their way to report people, like people here seem to think they can just call them to report people instead themselves doing it, but well, guess thats just normal ignorance, even though its common sense mods aren't asked to do this. Btw i neither expected to become a mod, when i got a message from jagex ididn't open it for 3 hours after noticing it, simply thinking it COULD be something negative, though i dunno what it would have been. then i remembered the update post saying they will start to make pmods again from the morning and decided to check the post anyway.

 

 

 

indeed, player mods are players afterall. Jagex even says that you have to play the game you used to just report rule-breakers when you come across them. You don't need to spend half an hour a day searching rule breakers for example.

[Umega]

Btw i neither expected to become a mod, when i got a message from jagex ididn't open it for 3 hours after noticing it.

 

 

 

And how do I know your a Pmod, where's your proof? You shouldn't go around saying that you are a Pmod anywhere without proof other than ingame as people could end up trusting you, thinking that you are a Pmod.

 

So if anyone here is saying that they are a Pmod, don't.

[Aneron]

So if anyone here is saying that they are a Pmod, don't.

 

 

 

What if they are a mod? :o

 

 

 

I think that the answer to your question is obvious - good mods help rs, and abusive mods hurt rs. Overall, I think there are a lot more good mods than bad mods, so yes, they help rs.

[leapfrog]

Anybody have a link to that topic where the guy was muted by a P-Mod for revealing the maple long (u) secret?

 

 

 

http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=670684

 

 

 

thats 1\ more then 5k mods out there? some can completely act different.

 

 

 

I'm sure the mod in that situation lost his p-mod status, and I know for a fact that the guy who got banned and muted got reinstated and stuff. see:

 

 

 

Is it against the rules to post what Jagex has sent to me? It says down the bottom of each letter from jagex saying its confidential and stuff, can i get introuble for posting?

 

 

 

Can I post just the part where it says the mod was in the wrong?

 

 

 

I have evidence, the mute and ban was lifted

 

 

 

So yeah, Jagex does get rid of a lot of the bad mods. So like I said in an earlier post, some of the mods a few of you may have had bad experiences with are probably gone.

[phata_elise]

You shouldn't go around saying that you are a Pmod anywhere without proof other than ingame as people could end up trusting you, thinking that you are a Pmod.

 

 

 

 

That is the problem. The crown has NOTHING to do with trusting that player, remember that! If anything, we know that pmods can abuse powers and break rules just like any other player. Trust has to be earned, that is the only way.

[sacretflame]

Remember one thing, when Jagex sends you a message asking to be a

 

P-Mod you either accept or don't accept, it is totally voluntary. And you can't blame jagex for picking players who are immature or *bad mods*. Jagex does not know how they will become after they have the status of P-Mod. I have many P-Mod friends and all of them are very nice and helpful. They give players chances, they give them a warning and just don't report right away. The job of P-Mods is to help out and set the rules of RS. And also, some P-Mods just hang out or go questing or something. Like Jagex has stated they are players like other players. All they have is the silver crown and the power to send in a mute report, and have higher authority of reports. Nothing else, so don't acuse some mods or any mods of doing this. Report them if they are doing something out of the rule regulation. Some people are more tense and tough then others. Some people don't like to help out s much. It's all in the player's mood and personality nothing to do with the crown in fornt of their name. P-Mods don't have to help, there is a knowledge base for a simple reason, to search and to find useful info on things people need. Of course some quick things can be answered by mods , but even some players can answer that. I will leave this with one comment left, remember it is only a game, to play and enjoy.

 

 

 

~Sacret :

[Mechwariorx]

I have to admit that I see too many Mods who just wanted the crown, but there are still good Mods out there. :P

 

 

 

A few days ago I was merchanting in World 2, when a lower level player asked if I could add him, he said it was very important. Since my private chat was off, I asked if he wanted to go to a quite place, which he agreed to.

 

 

 

He told me he got scammed out of a few million GP, and that no other Pmod would help him. I spent at least 20-30 minutes teaching him about keyloggers, and how to prevent them. In the time that I could have easily made 300-600k, but I thought that he needed help more than I needed money.

 

 

 

After a person breaks a rule, I know I have a minute to report them. I take a good 20-40 seconds, asking myself, should I report them or give them a verbal warning? Was it bad enough to mute them? Did he do it in anger, or in a moment of rage? Will he do it again if I just warn him?

 

 

 

A lot Pmods don't understand the responsibility being a mod. They think, "Oh! I am a Mod, I can report people for nothing and just get a slap on the wrist!"

 

 

 

It is a lot power, and with great power, come with great......well, I think I said enough. :lol:

 

 

 

For the record...

 

:P

 

 

 

Most Recent Report

 

S******2

 

 

 

Reported/Muted for

 

Website Advertising (Advertising a gold selling site.)

 

 

 

Date

 

02 Aug 2007 22:49

[thehate]

Btw i neither expected to become a mod, when i got a message from jagex ididn't open it for 3 hours after noticing it.

 

 

 

And how do I know your a Pmod, where's your proof? You shouldn't go around saying that you are a Pmod anywhere without proof other than ingame as people could end up trusting you, thinking that you are a Pmod.

 

So if anyone here is saying that they are a Pmod, don't.

 

 

 

Well, i am not searching for that kind of an advantage here, it was just a statement :P if it really came to something like that, shouldn't the fake pmod manage to show the crown in the game anyway? and yea im a pmod anyway (in fact id guess my highscore rank would have more meaning in searching for trust) oh and yea, i guess your wording is wrong, you can go saying that anywhere BUT in game, at least for your own good :P of course everyone who claims to be a pmod in game but doesn't show a crown should be reported and honestly, why should you trust pmods more than other people anyway? even with odds being that they are more trustable, why bother take a risk?

[Alg]

Player Moderators are there to help monitor fair play in the game. It is up to the individual Player Moderator whether they offer in-game assistance and they are under no obligation to do this. Their role is merely to report offenses as, and when, they see them.

 

don't forget, mods are normal people. there are no perks for becoming one, and all that is required is to play the game normally.

 

 

 

if any propof is needed for people claiming to be mods, just PM them ingame. as it has been said, there'as really no reason you should trust a mod anymore than your friends.

[thehate]

I have to admit that I see too many Mods who just wanted the crown, but there are still good Mods out there. :P

 

 

 

A few days ago I was merchanting in World 2, when a lower level player asked if I could add him, he said it was very important. Since my private chat was off, I asked if he wanted to go to a quite place, which he agreed to.

 

 

 

He told me he got scammed out of a few million GP, and that no other Pmod would help him. I spent at least 20-30 minutes teaching him about keyloggers, and how to prevent them. In the time that I could have easily made 300-600k, but I thought that he needed help more than I needed money.

 

 

 

After a person breaks a rule, I know I have a minute to report them. I take a good 20-40 seconds, asking myself, should I report them or give them a verbal warning? Was it bad enough to mute them? Did he do it in anger, or in a moment of rage? Will he do it again if I just warn him?

 

 

 

A lot Pmods don't understand the responsibility being a mod. They think, "Oh! I am a Mod, I can report people for nothing and just get a slap on the wrist!"

 

 

 

It is a lot power, and with great power, come with great......well, I think I said enough. :lol:

 

 

 

For the record...

 

:P

 

 

 

Most Recent Report

 

S******2

 

 

 

Reported/Muted for

 

Website Advertising (Advertising a gold selling site.)

 

 

 

Date

 

02 Aug 2007 22:49

 

 

 

theres a problem on that :P if you don't report on where you should, you are using your own policy, not jagex's, and its actually JAGEX which sees the accounts report history, i see it fine to report where is given reason to, its not like jagex automatically bans people on seeing a single report either :P also, i don't know what the power you talk about is, but it is obvious jagex has given trust on pmods already on mute button, since it would be negative for jagex to have incorrect mutes, even though they certainly would retaliate on those

[Ginger_Warrior]

Player Moderators are there to help monitor fair play in the game. It is up to the individual Player Moderator whether they offer in-game assistance and they are under no obligation to do this. Their role is merely to report offenses as, and when, they see them.

 

don't forget, mods are normal people. there are no perks for becoming one, and all that is required is to play the game normally.

 

 

 

if any propof is needed for people claiming to be mods, just PM them ingame. as it has been said, there'as really no reason you should trust a mod anymore than your friends.

 

 

 

DISCLAIMER: Read the warning in my signature before quoting me

 

 

 

Hang on, hang on. I'm holding you up on one thing here. TBH, my role on the Crew and the role of a P Mod doesn't have too much difference behind their principles. Both are purely voluntary jobs, and we both have our very own set of roles, and in both cases, we are cherry-picked by our peers. I obviously don't know how Jagex controls its Player Mods or anything like that, but I can tell you for one that I am expected to work for Tip.It at least a couple of hours a week.

 

 

 

The point I'm making is that we both accept those roles and those responsibilities when I accept my avatar and you accept your crown. I am expected to work to a satisfactory degree, so I don't think it's too much to ask that P Mods should do their very best to report and take action against rule breakers. If they simply don't see an incidents, that's another thing, but if there are cases where P Mods are just getting the crown, and then doing nothing, that would be like me sending loads of correction reports, and then doing nothing when I got on the Crew. If I'd done that, action would be taken against me and I'd likely lose my status, so I'm just puzzled where you get the impression P Mods aren't expected to act where they see rule-breaking.

[thehate]

Player Moderators are there to help monitor fair play in the game. It is up to the individual Player Moderator whether they offer in-game assistance and they are under no obligation to do this. Their role is merely to report offenses as, and when, they see them.

 

don't forget, mods are normal people. there are no perks for becoming one, and all that is required is to play the game normally.

 

 

 

if any propof is needed for people claiming to be mods, just PM them ingame. as it has been said, there'as really no reason you should trust a mod anymore than your friends.

 

 

 

DISCLAIMER: Read the warning in my signature before quoting me

 

 

 

Hang on, hang on. I'm holding you up on one thing here. TBH, my role on the Crew and the role of a P Mod doesn't have too much difference behind their principles. Both are purely voluntary jobs, and we both have our very own set of roles, and in both cases, we are cherry-picked by our peers. I obviously don't know how Jagex controls its Player Mods or anything like that, but I can tell you for one that I am expected to work for Tip.It at least a couple of hours a week.

 

 

 

The point I'm making is that we both accept those roles and those responsibilities when I accept my avatar and you accept your crown. I am expected to work to a satisfactory degree, so I don't think it's too much to ask that P Mods should do their very best to report and take action against rule breakers. If they simply don't see an incidents, that's another thing, but if there are cases where P Mods are just getting the crown, and then doing nothing, that would be like me sending loads of correction reports, and then doing nothing when I got on the Crew. If I'd done that, action would be taken against me and I'd likely lose my status, so I'm just puzzled where you get the impression P Mods aren't expected to act where they see rule-breaking.

 

 

 

I believe you understood wrong, ginger, that quote seems for me like something from runescape.com, and its message is correct, every player can report by themselves too, its not like pmods are seeing those things happening and they should come see if theres anything to report, this is the main case this quote referred to, and it is pretty much meant to protect pmods from excessive abuse by players, because it indeed is abuse. also nowhere it says that pmods shouldn't report. i don't really see either what you mean by these lazy pmods who don't report? i don't think theres such a thing, they simply might not see reportable offenses

[Fuzimatt]

From what ive seen no

[Mechwariorx]

 

theres a problem on that :P if you don't report on where you should, you are using your own policy, not jagex's, and its actually JAGEX which sees the accounts report history, i see it fine to report where is given reason to, its not like jagex automatically bans people on seeing a single report either :P

 

 

 

Yes, I try to report following Jagex's Standards, but for more recent updates like the, "Looking for BF/GF" thing, Jagex didn't made an official announcement on it, so a lot of people didn't know that this was breaking the rules. So I figured, why should somebody get black marks on a rule they didn't know existed?

 

 

 

We have so many reporting rules it is next to impossible to memorize every single one, and since we only get a minute to report a rule breaker, we don't have enough time to consult the guide. :P

 

 

 

I pasted the entire reporting guide into a Word document, with 1" top and bottom margins, and 1.25" left and right. It came out to 45 Page. Yikes! I have read through it multiple times, but there is no way I could memorize even half of it. :wall:

 

 

 

That's all I have to say about that. Gump> :lol:

 

 

 

Mech

[thehate]

 

theres a problem on that :P if you don't report on where you should, you are using your own policy, not jagex's, and its actually JAGEX which sees the accounts report history, i see it fine to report where is given reason to, its not like jagex automatically bans people on seeing a single report either :P

 

 

 

Yes, I try to report following Jagex's Standards, but for more recent updates like the, "Looking for BF/GF" thing, Jagex didn't made an official announcement on it, so a lot of people didn't know that this was breaking the rules. So I figured, why should somebody get black marks on a rule they didn't know existed?

 

 

 

We have so many reporting rules it is next to impossible to memorize every single one, and since we only get a minute to report a rule breaker, we don't have enough time to consult the guide. :P

 

 

 

I pasted the entire reporting guide into a Word document, with 1" top and bottom margins, and 1.25" left and right. It came out to 45 Page. Yikes! I have read through it multiple times, but there is no way I could memorize even half of it. :wall:

 

 

 

That's all I have to say about that. Gump> :lol:

 

 

 

Mech

 

 

 

Even then jagex wouldn't probably punish them THAT badly (perhaps a warning message at worst) and it would be even more definite that they wouldn't do it anymore :P and jagex still wishes us to remember those rules, they are pretty self-explanatory mostly anyway, therefore shouldn't have that much problems to remember

[Ginger_Warrior]

Player Moderators are there to help monitor fair play in the game. It is up to the individual Player Moderator whether they offer in-game assistance and they are under no obligation to do this. Their role is merely to report offenses as, and when, they see them.

 

don't forget, mods are normal people. there are no perks for becoming one, and all that is required is to play the game normally.

 

 

 

if any propof is needed for people claiming to be mods, just PM them ingame. as it has been said, there'as really no reason you should trust a mod anymore than your friends.

 

 

 

DISCLAIMER: Read the warning in my signature before quoting me

 

 

 

Hang on, hang on. I'm holding you up on one thing here. TBH, my role on the Crew and the role of a P Mod doesn't have too much difference behind their principles. Both are purely voluntary jobs, and we both have our very own set of roles, and in both cases, we are cherry-picked by our peers. I obviously don't know how Jagex controls its Player Mods or anything like that, but I can tell you for one that I am expected to work for Tip.It at least a couple of hours a week.

 

 

 

The point I'm making is that we both accept those roles and those responsibilities when I accept my avatar and you accept your crown. I am expected to work to a satisfactory degree, so I don't think it's too much to ask that P Mods should do their very best to report and take action against rule breakers. If they simply don't see an incidents, that's another thing, but if there are cases where P Mods are just getting the crown, and then doing nothing, that would be like me sending loads of correction reports, and then doing nothing when I got on the Crew. If I'd done that, action would be taken against me and I'd likely lose my status, so I'm just puzzled where you get the impression P Mods aren't expected to act where they see rule-breaking.

 

 

 

I believe you understood wrong, ginger, that quote seems for me like something from runescape.com, and its message is correct, every player can report by themselves too, its not like pmods are seeing those things happening and they should come see if theres anything to report, this is the main case this quote referred to, and it is pretty much meant to protect pmods from excessive abuse by players, because it indeed is abuse. also nowhere it says that pmods shouldn't report. i don't really see either what you mean by these lazy pmods who don't report? i don't think theres such a thing, they simply might not see reportable offenses

 

I don't mean to look down on you... I speak as Ginger Warrior not a member of Tip.It's staff. But it comes back to the old point about P Mods really. If they're not expected to go out of their way (something which I don't believe they should anyway), and normal players such as myself can report offences, then what's the point in having them? They just seem to do a job that I can do perfectly well enough by reporting them. At the end of the day, you can mute someone all you want, but their scam will carry on until CS can deal with the official report.

 

 

 

That would be the difference between me and a P Mod. I just don't really see player Modship as either useful, or actually needing a prerequirement of skills. At the end of the day, I can report someone just as well as a P Mod can...

[thehate]

to ginger: well, i think i see the problem here you refer to, even though i repeat that actually a local guy's post didn't have much connection to it :P pmod reports are trusted to be good so they get priority, thats fine isn't it? but you are saying your reports are as good and they should get priority, well that just means you aren't recognized yet by jagex perhaps. is it that bad anyway that pmod is pretty much just an honorary duty? i don't even think becoming a pmod needs that excessive reporting, just that the reports are overall relatively good and another plus on pmod system is that people would actually want to become pmods and take better care of reporting well, and even those currently "lazy" pmods have reported well, even if it have possibly been searching for people to report or such bit less honourable action, and there is no reason to believe that their reports would be worse after they become pmods, even though they would actually see less people to report as pmods. actually i see that you may think pmod duty should be more complicated, but it actually is this way as jagex says, and it SHOULDN'T be too troublesome for pmods to do according to jagex

[Mechwariorx]

 

Even then jagex wouldn't probably punish them THAT badly

 

 

 

Hey now! Those .1 Black Marks add up! :lol:

 

 

 

Mech

[horseathlete]

I think the number one thing that others seem to forget is that Mods are players too. I know this has already been brought up, but this is a very important point to make.

 

 

 

First of all, no one's perfect. That includes Mods. They're bound to make mistakes, but some misinterpret this as meaning that the Mod doesn't know what (s)he's doing, or is a bad Mod. This is definitely not the case.

 

 

 

Secondly, Mods aren't robots in any shape or form, so they have wants and the desire to have fun as well. They can't spend every waking moment reporting other players or issuing warnings. Just as every other player, they seek to enjoy themselves while playing this GAME.

 

 

 

Besides, there are only so many Mods. Expecting a Mod to be there whenever a player breaks the rules is simply asking for the impossible. In my opinion, there are too many standards placed on Mods nowadays. Give them a break. :wink:

[powerless]

Player mods don't have to help, it's their choice. They are regular players though their reports are viewed more carefully.

[Negative12]

I would like to point out that a lot of pmods actually avoid talking in public chat to avoid attention. Often times item scammers, website advertisers, jagex impersonators, any that requires a mute etcetc, that are within the area that the pmod is in, are often silenced right after they commit what rule breaking they do. And a lot of people might not even know that this even occured.

 

 

 

To sum that up, a lot of the "good" pmodding is done behind the scenes, while only the bad apples are getting noticed.

[Adventurer]

That would be the difference between me and a P Mod. I just don't really see player Modship as either useful, or actually needing a prerequirement of skills. At the end of the day, I can report someone just as well as a P Mod can...

 

 

 

The thing is, the Moddy reports seem to be handled seperately. Because moderators are picked partially on how good and relevant their reporting is, the whole setup amounts to good reports getting dealt with faster.

 

 

 

Oh, and don't ever bug/nag a player mod to do something:

 

"I got hacked. Hlp plz"

 

"I can't. I don't have any power to. I'm just a player"

 

"Your a bad mod"

 

 

 

"Mod. Go report [person]. He's [breaking rules]"

 

 

 

"How you become mod?" 100x a day

 

 

 

"Mods aren't allowed to say noob"

 

 

 

"Mods should be nice."

 

 

 

Geez. It's not like mods are robots. Oh, and these are all pulled from what I've seen people saying.

[Ginger_Warrior]

That would be the difference between me and a P Mod. I just don't really see player Modship as either useful, or actually needing a prerequirement of skills. At the end of the day, I can report someone just as well as a P Mod can...

 

 

 

The thing is, the Moddy reports seem to be handled seperately. Because moderators are picked partially on how good and relevant their reporting is, the whole setup amounts to good reports getting dealt with faster.

 

 

 

Oh, and don't ever bug/nag a player mod to do something:

 

"I got hacked. Hlp plz"

 

"I can't. I don't have any power to. I'm just a player"

 

"Your a bad mod"

 

 

 

"Mod. Go report [person]. He's [breaking rules]"

 

 

 

"How you become mod?" 100x a day

 

 

 

"Mods aren't allowed to say noob"

 

 

 

"Mods should be nice."

 

 

 

Geez. It's not like mods are robots. Oh, and these are all pulled from what I've seen people saying.

 

Well if that the only reason Jagex require Player Mods, then why do they feel a need to give them a special distinction, which inadvertently creates a hierachy by its very nature?

 

 

 

And mods should be nice. They're ambassadors for the game. How I act on the forum has nothing to do with how I perform with my tasks as a Crewbie, but if I started flaming everyone and spamming, I can't see me staying in that position for much longer...

[tintin113]

Hmmm... I don't really know all that much about player moderaters, but I remember hearing something about (for p2p) having to be active and responsible on the forums, and reporting people in good moderation, which is hard to achieve if you aren't actually good at it...

 

 

 

...also, I think that most player mods do try to keep up an example to other players. Jagex are giving people this privilage, hoping that they will think that they are elite, and keep up the work, rising to their challenge...

 

 

 

...I personally have never heard of a player mod neglecting their responsabilities, and most seem helpful and mature, so I have to say that I don't agree with you, mabe you've just had a bad experience of them, but in my opinion, most of them are pretty decent.