we're promoting REAL art, like brushing (whether good or bad) drawing, watercolor/painting, cool vectors, 3d, anything that takes time and effort.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not promoting sigs that are random filter piles, lame 15-20 minute sigs, and people going "what program do you use to make sigs?" posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that's atleast what i got out of it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So basically, we want to morph from a fun, helpful forum into an ultra-exclusive, contemptuous, and snobbish group of artistes who simply don't have the time for "lower" and "unserious" and "inferior" art?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't really post here a lot, but I have always enjoyed looking at the art I find here. And something Ive constantly wondered at is the "oh that didn't take much skill you noob" attitude. So what if a piece of art didn't take much talent? Isn't the point of art to look good? So if it looks good, what does it matter that it wasn't hard to make?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I once entered a sig contest. Took two pictures with a digital camera: one of the moon shining through the trees, and one of a chickadee (bird) in flight. Then I used photoshop to cut out the bird and put it over the forest, added text and a mining lvl, and got flamed. QUOTE: "You take picture and add text? You cool, man, you cool."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guess what....my sig won. The person who flamed me was really skilled with abstract, but in the end their's was a lot less compelling to look at. The thing about mine wasn't that I put a lot of skill or artistic technique into it (except taking the pics, that was hard), but that I had the idea of putting em together and the text fit nicely and the colors matched up and it came out looking good. Specifically, it looked good to someone who understood nothing about all the "higher" levels of skill that certain "art" forms require. Mine, apparently, lacked these higher levels of skill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But guess what, if your "higher" art is only good because it's hard to make, then the only reason anyone likes it is because it was hard to make, so it really is only attractive to the creator and someone who understands what it took to put it together. In the end, it could be ugly. I don't care how much skill you needed, ugly art is still ugly art. Likewise, no matter how much skill it took, attractive art is attractive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now to backpedal. I have seen a lot of brilliant stuff on here that obviously took a ton of skill and came out looking incredible because of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that every idiot with paint should be told "oh yes man keep doin your thing you rock," (i'm especially not sayin we should all get lousy pixel sigs, those things are really really lousy) I'm just sayin that talking down to someone with very little talent is stupid because they might be making better art anyway, making more with less. Good pixel sigs are really cool to look at. Punk4eva and Oerrg come to mind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So yeah. Respect skill, and try to get more people to post high quality art. But saying we need to get rid of "crass" buying and selling is absolute snobbery, pure and simple. Why are you making art except to impress other people? Ratings and buying/selling are as natural in art as getting constructive criticism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally, I actually agree with the larger idea behind this revolution. I like to see people try and take art to the next level. I would love to see good sketches instead of random pieces of bad abstract or bad pixel or bad whatever. Just don't get snobbish about it. never forget that making art is all about making stuff that appeals to other people, and most people don't care how much work you put into a piece, they just care if it looks good or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's my essay for the day. Too long probably. Don't think I made my point clear enough. :? I'm gonna get flamed for this one, that's for sure. Just remember, the only part of this entire revolution that i disagree with is the snobbery behind it. Art is art if it looks good, and the one thing all artists want to do is sell :wink: . So get off your high horse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And read my whole post before you flame :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man that was too long.... :?

I won't flame you, but I will say that

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a. you have some valid points, in that people should not be flamed, and there is nothing intrinsically wrong with selling. I try to encourage all the artists here, no matter what I may think of their art. And I have sold my own work at times. I fully agree that art need not be complex. What is good is good. However, on a board dedicated to building art skill, what is good may still be ridiculed if it is ridiculously easy (non-customized terragen renders, etc.). Photography btw, if you do it yourself, is fantastic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b. I think you have misunderstood the point of this to some degree. The ultimate goal of this is not to kill the shops or this board at all, but to give a seperate space for this more concerted effort at art. It gets old when some come here for that type of work ,but it always gets bumped to page three in no time because someone sticks up contests throwing millions of gp out there--even if a third of those never even pay out. The introduction of treasure trails , etc has not helped this, as there is a huge glut of rs cash out there these days.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, the only way to get to the point where we have our own space is to show more of this kind of work so that the admins can see that there is demand for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I developed a lot doing sigs. I still do some myself for those who like them, creating them from my larger works. All but about 6 of my sigs total have been for free however. I don't have a problem with capitolism in general, but I do find that the higher prices of sigs these days bring more people who have no interest in art, and a lot of interest in rs cash. And therefore they post absolutely atrocious stuff, often in paint, often without even thinking it looks good to them, and then ask how much they can get for it. That is just not what this board should be.

Tttia: I'm very pleased you are doing this, right as i saw it, i added the line to me siggeh. I've studied art my entire life, and don't hate people that want to start art, i influence them. VIVA LA MEDIA BOARD REVOLUTION! Don't flame, encourage. Tell your friend about the revolution, we could easily get an art section added to the forums. (Might interfere with bandwidth, but it'd be one large step for tip.it)

Omg, I like love advertising. Advertising is my thingzors!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm going to practice drawing by hand some more. But I don't really have a clue what to draw lol.

just take a sketch book to random places, you'll see something funny lor interesting. Draw it, its good experience even just getting lineart, and motions

or go to our daily sketch thread and we will tell you what to do!

W00t!! one of those guys made a site about nightwish whow i just love that one nightwish is so awesome i love marco :D

a. ...what is good may still be ridiculed if it is ridiculously easy (non-customized terragen renders, etc.).

 

 

 

I could quibble with that, but I'm not going to. I think I basically agree, especially with overused renders. The only exception is when someone does some completely new technique that is absolutely wonderful and very easy. That should not be ridiculed. Not until no-talent no-imagination idiots start copying the technique, anyway. Then, I'll be the first to say "you look exactly like averyone else....get better"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b. I think you have misunderstood the point of this to some degree. The ultimate goal of this is not to kill the shops or this board at all, but to give a seperate space for this more concerted effort at art. It gets old when some come here for that type of work ,but it always gets bumped to page three in no time because someone sticks up contests throwing millions of gp out there--even if a third of those never even pay out...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...I don't have a problem with capitolism in general, but I do find that the higher prices of sigs these days bring more people who have no interest in art, and a lot of interest in rs cash. And therefore they post absolutely atrocious stuff, often in paint, often without even thinking it looks good to them, and then ask how much they can get for it. That is just not what this board should be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alright, I see where you're coming from better now. Yeah, I thought this was a general movement away from certain types of art simply because people thought they were less....artistic. This seemed snobbish to me, but I see what you mean about people just tryin to get rich quick. I'd love to stop that too, and see more people trying to make something that actually looks good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for clearing things up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't see why any artist would complain about astronomical sig prices, though 8) , except for the increased amount of competition (good and bad) :wink:

Lol remember when tip.it was mad on Bryce landscapes in their sigs? Now it's pixels and they rack in ridiculous rs cash.

Lol remember when tip.it was mad on Bryce landscapes in their sigs? Now it's pixels and they rack in ridiculous rs cash.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hah i remember that... i remember my first landscape too, a island lol. (hell, that was everyones first landscape then :lol: . today its some terragen random render , usualy no or little surface map :P) But hey , we all gotta start somewhere right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I remember i did a Mario/sonic/link sig once as well lol. It was kind of cool, the sonic one had rings on this little track thing :lol: The mario one had a pipe :oops: Link one had a triforce.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In short, we realy have had a ton of crazes. My favorite to look at though was the weapon modeling craze. That was a preaty fun time :D

Yes, the history of the media board is largely a history of trends....of course they continue on, but with smaller followings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

first era: old fogies, ask them, I have no clue...a bunch of crotchety guys knew how to cut out an rs char and got paid to do it. Check with Keiphus, GSW and some old guys who no longer show up since they now, in comparision with the new generation are pretty lame....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

second era: filter fun

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

third era: abstract

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

fourth era: cut out sigs (dromar, etc.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

fifth era: weapon modeling

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sixth era: bryce abstract, followed by bryce actual renders of objects (wyrm used to do this particularly).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

seventh era: landscapes in bryce and terragen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

eighth era: vector...note...this era actually lasted about 5 minutes due to lack of programs :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ninth era: eclectic era built by disenchanted sig makers...saw the rise of smg and dag

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tenth era: pixels...lots of em.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

eleventh era: yet to be seen.

^^^ Brings back memorys Tttia :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and lol @ the 8th era. I might actualy remember that. I know i remembered most of them, i probaly came into the scene around the 2nd/3rd era. :)

What's the 11th era? Hand-drawn sigs?

first era: old fogies, ask them, I have no clue...a bunch of crotchety guys knew how to cut out an rs char and got paid to do it. Check with Keiphus, GSW and some old guys who no longer show up since they now, in comparision with the new generation are pretty lame....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you calling Keiphus and me lame?

I remember there being an animated rs char trend, which kingkay pretty much mastered back then..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You also missed the smilie sig trend ;)

ah yes, the huang can sell prints of smilies, why not emulate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spurred on by the glass orb tutorial of course.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And wyrmy, if you read the sentance fully I am calling those who didn't stay around lame. In fact, I purposely excepted you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Others simply kept ahead of the game. In fact I agree with ryan. The current level is far above any of those earlier eras. And new people now days have a steep hill to climb to become even decent.

ah yes, the huang can sell prints of smilies, why not emulate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spurred on by the glass orb tutorial of course.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And wyrmy, if you read the sentance fully I am calling those who didn't stay around lame. In fact, I purposely excepted you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Others simply kept ahead of the game. In fact I agree with ryan. The current level is far above any of those earlier eras. And new people now days have a steep hill to climb to become even decent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The way you worded it, it appeared that Keiphus and I were included in "the old guys" or whatever..

yes, well you were around in that era. How can we not include you? But if I were to say that

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keiphus, wyrmy and some people from mars were there....wouldn't that make you distinct from the people from mars? I should think so. But the point is you are one of the few sources left that can talk about that era.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's plug it in directly to the quote...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Check with Keiphus, GSW and some martians who no longer show up...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yup, quite distinct.

Well we finally got our revolution :wink: . Now to see what we can do with it..If the tourny with RSC doesn't work out, maybe have our own? Get some judges, choose some categories, maybe get some donations if necessary. Nad had tried to start a topic briefly, but I told him to wait until the boards got separated. I know he had a couple mil put in and I'm willing to put a couple mil in. Anyone interested?

Well we finally got our revolution :wink: . Now to see what we can do with it..If the tourny with RSC doesn't work out, maybe have our own? Get some judges, choose some categories, maybe get some donations if necessary. Nad had tried to start a topic briefly, but I told him to wait until the boards got separated. I know he had a couple mil put in and I'm willing to put a couple mil in. Anyone interested?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah. only thing is, we can't get a ton of people plugging money in, because that would mean no one would enter :lol: . Realy, i think that you and me, and maybe like azvy :P Would be 'enough cash :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also... i kinda liked the smily craze :twisted: . Which me and azvy kind of started lol :lol: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and tttia, were talkinga bout the most recent smily craze, here on TIF :P kinda started whenever i did a boordom smily thing (which realy kinda sucked lol) and everyone liked them, than azvy did 'em too :shock:

i probaly came into the scene around the 2nd/3rd era.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Uhm, no. The second and third were way before your time and you were a complete noob throughout the fourth to ninth. I don't remember you being part of SMG, so I figure you must have become popular after the SMG and DAG era.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which me and azvy kind of started lol :lol: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whatever, not saying old is gold, because obviously the standards raise over time, but don't try to fool those who weren't there to begin with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And jesus [bleep]ing christ, how many smilies do you use per post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~witty

 

i probaly came into the scene around the 2nd/3rd era.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Uhm, no. The second and third were way before your time and you were a complete noob throughout the fourth to ninth. I don't remember you being part of SMG, so I figure you must have become popular after the SMG and DAG era.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which me and azvy kind of started lol :lol: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whatever, not saying old is gold, because obviously the standards raise over time, but don't try to fool those who weren't there to begin with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And jesus * christ, how many smilies do you use per post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~witty

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

heh...Some things never change. Granted, I do believe nad was talking about just a mini smilie craze not the big one that happend a while back.

 

 

 

Nad was pretty much a noob for most of that like you said :P

Technically Nad was in the end of the DAG, not the smg though. He got in under the apprentice rules right before the transition to a more social board.

Technically Nad was in the end of the DAG, not the smg though. He got in under the apprentice rules right before the transition to a more social board.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah I was mad about it closing :(. Been in for like a week and then it's gone :cry:

 

 

i probaly came into the scene around the 2nd/3rd era.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Uhm, no. The second and third were way before your time and you were a complete noob throughout the fourth to ninth. I don't remember you being part of SMG, so I figure you must have become popular after the SMG and DAG era.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which me and azvy kind of started lol :lol: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whatever, not saying old is gold, because obviously the standards raise over time, but don't try to fool those who weren't there to begin with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And jesus * christ, how many smilies do you use per post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~witty

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

heh...Some things never change. Granted, I do believe nad was talking about just a mini smilie craze not the big one that happend a while back.

 

 

 

Nad was pretty much a noob for most of that like you said :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, i was talking about a more recent small craze, that lasted for a few weeks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and i said i wasn't positive on which era i started in... i was just making a guess.