Is scamming scammers acceptable?

[m00finz]

 

Oh sorry, it's just whenever I think of a sucky court system I think of the US.

 

 

 

And rightfully so. Unfortunately, the Aussie legal system blows too.

 

 

 

Don't they all? I think it's just general government policy to screw over the common person.

 

 

 

I'd love to know what the government systems have to do with a scammer being scammed...

[mrmyk]

 

Oh sorry, it's just whenever I think of a sucky court system I think of the US.

 

 

 

And rightfully so. Unfortunately, the Aussie legal system blows too.

 

 

 

Don't they all? I think it's just general government policy to screw over the common person.

 

 

 

I'd love to know what the government systems have to do with a scammer being scammed...

 

 

 

They weren't really talk about that then...more like that most government systems are designed the protect the criminal rather than the ordinary person.

 

 

 

If someone tried robbing your house and you for example, hit them in the head with a cricket bat you could then be sued by the criminal who tried to rob your house although they were trying to steal from you...

[Plagueon]

Scamming a scammer just puts you at their level...

 

 

 

Whilst this is definately true, its the best possible punishment for the original scammer.

 

It forces them to empathise with victims of scamming.

 

 

 

Also, if I had the chance to scam someone who scammed me, I'd jump at the chance. I'm a firm believer that if someone hits you, you hit them back harder!

 

If others want to play the good christian then thats up to them.

[Mico]

Scamming for the sake of rules is ok, scamming for money is wrong. NO

 

Scamming is wrong, like war. Killing millions for nothing is not "for a good future", it' s mass slauther!

[mrmyk]

Scamming for the sake of rules is ok, scamming for money is wrong. NO

 

Scamming is wrong, like war. Killing millions for nothing is not "for a good future", it' s mass slauther!

 

 

 

Since when is scamming ever for the sake of the rules?

[Mico]

Scamming for the sake of rules is ok, scamming for money is wrong. NO

 

Scamming is wrong, like war. Killing millions for nothing is not "for a good future", it' s mass slauther!

 

 

 

Since when is scamming ever for the sake of the rules?

 

 

 

Like giving someone one the "tase of their own medicine" to teach them something. Our police sometimes fight mobs like mobs. The ugly way.

[Hi9im8Here7]

Whilst this is definately true, its the best possible punishment for the original scammer.

 

 

 

Okay, if you believe that to be true (which I don't), I guess it can be justified. But then you would have to either destroy the item you stole so you won't benefit from it, or seek out someone who has been scammed and give it to them.

 

 

 

And I doubt a scammer would learn from that. They need an actual punishment from Jagex. I know Jagex CS is bad but its the only viable option other than a player-run government, which this game clearly isn't designed for.

 

 

hey weren't really talk about that then...more like that most government systems are designed the protect the criminal rather than the ordinary person.

 

 

 

If someone tried robbing your house and you for example, hit them in the head with a cricket bat you could then be sued by the criminal who tried to rob your house although they were trying to steal from you...

 

 

 

Yeah most of the governments in the world need to be reformed and have all its head of state fired or thown in prison, but this is no excuse to think you can be the law.

[urbestfreind]

I do believe that scamming scammers is acceptable.

 

 

 

Many have heard the old quote "Two wrongs dont make a right." However, when the person doing the first wrong has wronged others, and you have a chance to teach them a lesson and become profitable in the process, then by all means I say go ahead.

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong here, scamming is wrong on many levels, especially in a game where the only real advantage of money is being able to buy whatever you want, and keep it, within the game.

 

 

 

I do believe that scamming a scammer would benefit both parties. You would have maybe gotten some money, and have the personal satisfaction of possibly changing the ways of someone, and they would have learned what being scammed out of your items is like, and if they have any sort of good within themselves, they will change, or at least not scam for awhile.

[Alg]

why is scamming in a game being compared to rape and war...?

 

 

 

anyway...

 

it's one of those things you can do to try to stop the scammer. sure, you may be sinking to their level, but it may discourage them from trying it again.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

I do believe that scamming scammers is acceptable.

 

 

 

Many have heard the old quote "Two wrongs dont make a right." However, when the person doing the first wrong has wronged others, and you have a chance to teach them a lesson and become profitable in the process, then by all means I say go ahead.

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong here, scamming is wrong on many levels, especially in a game where the only real advantage of money is being able to buy whatever you want, and keep it, within the game.

 

 

 

I do believe that scamming a scammer would benefit both parties. You would have maybe gotten some money, and have the personal satisfaction of possibly changing the ways of someone, and they would have learned what being scammed out of your items is like, and if they have any sort of good within themselves, they will change, or at least not scam for awhile.

 

 

 

Since when did you become judge, jury and executioner? There's no point to scamming another person, even if they did to you. What good will come if everyone did the exact same thing to whoever wronged them?

 

 

 

Example (WARNING: This example will go off-topic): If you're shot at twice, and you survive, does it make it right to shoot the person that shot you twice and possibly kill them?

[123Yourgone]

I do believe that scamming scammers is acceptable.

 

 

 

Many have heard the old quote "Two wrongs dont make a right." However, when the person doing the first wrong has wronged others, and you have a chance to teach them a lesson and become profitable in the process, then by all means I say go ahead.

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong here, scamming is wrong on many levels, especially in a game where the only real advantage of money is being able to buy whatever you want, and keep it, within the game.

 

 

 

I do believe that scamming a scammer would benefit both parties. You would have maybe gotten some money, and have the personal satisfaction of possibly changing the ways of someone, and they would have learned what being scammed out of your items is like, and if they have any sort of good within themselves, they will change, or at least not scam for awhile.

 

 

 

Since when did you become judge, jury and executioner? There's no point to scamming another person, even if they did to you. What good will come if everyone did the exact same thing to whoever wronged them?

 

 

 

Example (WARNING: This example will go off-topic): If you're shot at twice, and you survive, does it make it right to shoot the person that shot you twice and possibly kill them?

Yes it is.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

I do believe that scamming scammers is acceptable.

 

 

 

Many have heard the old quote "Two wrongs dont make a right." However, when the person doing the first wrong has wronged others, and you have a chance to teach them a lesson and become profitable in the process, then by all means I say go ahead.

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong here, scamming is wrong on many levels, especially in a game where the only real advantage of money is being able to buy whatever you want, and keep it, within the game.

 

 

 

I do believe that scamming a scammer would benefit both parties. You would have maybe gotten some money, and have the personal satisfaction of possibly changing the ways of someone, and they would have learned what being scammed out of your items is like, and if they have any sort of good within themselves, they will change, or at least not scam for awhile.

 

 

 

Since when did you become judge, jury and executioner? There's no point to scamming another person, even if they did to you. What good will come if everyone did the exact same thing to whoever wronged them?

 

 

 

Example (WARNING: This example will go off-topic): If you're shot at twice, and you survive, does it make it right to shoot the person that shot you twice and possibly kill them?

Yes it is.

 

 

 

Well damn the rules of RuneScape, damn the consequences, damn the morality level, and damn the person that scammed you -- you'll do it anyway. That is quite a foolish way to live in any society, and a foolish way to distribute justice.

 

 

 

You can't have justice if every person decides to take the law [of RuneScape] into their own hands and judge everyone that wronged them.

[Alg]

I do believe that scamming scammers is acceptable.

 

 

 

Many have heard the old quote "Two wrongs dont make a right." However, when the person doing the first wrong has wronged others, and you have a chance to teach them a lesson and become profitable in the process, then by all means I say go ahead.

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong here, scamming is wrong on many levels, especially in a game where the only real advantage of money is being able to buy whatever you want, and keep it, within the game.

 

 

 

I do believe that scamming a scammer would benefit both parties. You would have maybe gotten some money, and have the personal satisfaction of possibly changing the ways of someone, and they would have learned what being scammed out of your items is like, and if they have any sort of good within themselves, they will change, or at least not scam for awhile.

 

 

 

Since when did you become judge, jury and executioner? There's no point to scamming another person, even if they did to you. What good will come if everyone did the exact same thing to whoever wronged them?

 

 

 

Example (WARNING: This example will go off-topic): If you're shot at twice, and you survive, does it make it right to shoot the person that shot you twice and possibly kill them?

Yes it is.

 

 

 

Well damn the rules of RuneScape, damn the consequences, damn the morality level, and damn the person that scammed you -- you'll do it anyway. That is quite a foolish way to live in any society, and a foolish way to distribute justice.

 

 

 

You can't have justice if every person decides to take the law [of RuneScape] into their own hands and judge everyone that wronged them.

 

that's how life is today, actually. runescape is played by people who live by that code and bring it here, including succeeding in any way possible.

[123Yourgone]

I do believe that scamming scammers is acceptable.

 

 

 

Many have heard the old quote "Two wrongs dont make a right." However, when the person doing the first wrong has wronged others, and you have a chance to teach them a lesson and become profitable in the process, then by all means I say go ahead.

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong here, scamming is wrong on many levels, especially in a game where the only real advantage of money is being able to buy whatever you want, and keep it, within the game.

 

 

 

I do believe that scamming a scammer would benefit both parties. You would have maybe gotten some money, and have the personal satisfaction of possibly changing the ways of someone, and they would have learned what being scammed out of your items is like, and if they have any sort of good within themselves, they will change, or at least not scam for awhile.

 

 

 

Since when did you become judge, jury and executioner? There's no point to scamming another person, even if they did to you. What good will come if everyone did the exact same thing to whoever wronged them?

 

 

 

Example (WARNING: This example will go off-topic): If you're shot at twice, and you survive, does it make it right to shoot the person that shot you twice and possibly kill them?

Yes it is.

 

 

 

Well damn the rules of RuneScape, damn the consequences, damn the morality level, and damn the person that scammed you -- you'll do it anyway. That is quite a foolish way to live in any society, and a foolish way to distribute justice.

 

 

 

You can't have justice if every person decides to take the law [of RuneScape] into their own hands and judge everyone that wronged them.

The way i see it is that if he shoots at me twice and doesnt kill me he has a problem with me, he will get a very short stint in prison then will possibly come try again, now if i shoot him in this circumstance i have ensured that he will not come arround and shoot me in 3 years time.

 

Its sad but thats the way life is, id rather be alive then dead, and id rather scam a scammer then let him get a free walk through life.

[alcoolj]

This is a game with rule and tools to combat scammers. No point trying to relate it to RL.

 

 

 

Use those rules and tools to report the scammer, learn from your own stupidity for falling for a scam in the first place and move on.

 

 

 

Trying to scam a scammer is likely to get you into more trouble than its worth, because yes they too know the rules and tools (probably better than you do), which may earn you a black mark or three for your troubles.

[Jordanweb]

I would never scam on my main account. :shame:

[walka92]

I would never scam on my main account. :shame:

 

does that meen you have a scamming pure -.^

 

 

 

anyway, at the 3rd party client rule change riots *coughsscough* there were mods answering questions

 

 

 

i asked about scamming scammer,s the mod just said "go ahead, i wont ban you :P"

 

 

 

so i guess its ok :-k

[Mico]

Example (WARNING: This example will go off-topic): If you're shot at twice, and you survive, does it make it right to shoot the person that shot you twice and possibly kill them?

 

 

 

Actually that may be considered as self defence.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Example (WARNING: This example will go off-topic): If you're shot at twice, and you survive, does it make it right to shoot the person that shot you twice and possibly kill them?

 

 

 

Actually that may be considered as self defence.

I guess to determine that we need more information... Did the shooting back happen directly after they shot at you or was it after some recovery?

[Hi9im8Here7]

I would never scam on my main account. :shame:

 

does that meen you have a scamming pure -.^

 

 

 

anyway, at the 3rd party client rule change riots *coughsscough* there were mods answering questions

 

 

 

i asked about scamming scammer,s the mod just said "go ahead, i wont ban you :P"

 

 

 

so i guess its ok :-k

 

 

 

I sent in a query, and the jmod I asked said it isn't ok... :-k

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Example (WARNING: This example will go off-topic): If you're shot at twice, and you survive, does it make it right to shoot the person that shot you twice and possibly kill them?

 

 

 

Actually that may be considered as self defence.

I guess to determine that we need more information... Did the shooting back happen directly after they shot at you or was it after some recovery?

 

 

 

Off-topic: After four months' rehabilitation.

 

 

 

On-topic: I maintain the statement, "Give an eye for an eye, a tooth for the tooth, and the world will be blind and toothless." There will never be any good that comes out of scamming the scammer. You're just as likely to be put in trouble as they are, and Jagex is far firmer with their rules than a jury [of your RuneScape peers] would be.

[123Yourgone]

Good can come of it, for example if i scammed irulepoker out of 182m i could give it back to metalheart who he stole it from, thus good comes from scamming.

[Hi9im8Here7]

Good can come of it, for example if i scammed irulepoker out of 182m i could give it back to metalheart who he stole it from, thus good comes from scamming.

 

 

 

Maybe, but why should I trust you not to keep the money for yourself? Talk's cheap. :P

 

 

 

And besides, you're leaving out the scammer. All he's really going to do is go out and scam more people. The only hope is getting Jagex to step in.

 

 

 

That applies to a_local_guy's first post as well. You always have to remember that there's always someone out there gullible enough to get scammed by him as long as he's able to. And you really can't just use the excuse that your scam will discourage him, because it probably won't (it might help to shout obscene insults at him after you do it, but that's really not in the spirit of the game, is it? :wink: ).

 

 

 

I think I said it before, but this game is not designed for player justice. You have no way of affecting the scammer's life after you part ways. You have no way to give back the items to the right person, because you don't know who he scammed for those items in the first place. Those items might've even been his own, ever think about that?

 

 

 

Jagex philosophy when it comes to scams is that its your responsibility to protect yourself from scams, lures, and hacks as well as its up to you to get yourself back together after being a victim to one. Neither Jagex or any sort of "Robin Hood" figure is going to help you out.

 

 

 

One of the reasons for that policy is that implementing anything different would dramatically alter the game (sort of like putting in a popularity system or something stupid like that). Another is that Jagex is never going to allow one group of players to in effect "dehumanize" another group, no matter how brutally cruel when it comes to scamming people that group may be.

 

 

 

My opinion here is similar to my opinion on the "Bullies" thread in the off-topic forum. No matter how aggravating someone may be, there is absolutely NO excuse to lower your standard of morality because of it.

[Denismage]

Example (WARNING: This example will go off-topic): If you're shot at twice, and you survive, does it make it right to shoot the person that shot you twice and possibly kill them?

 

 

 

 

 

That's irrelevant, if you are being shot at, your life is on the line. On the other hand, runescape items are worthless.

 

 

 

No, I wouldn't scam back because you simply stoop down to their level.

[Mico]

That's irrelevant, if you are being shot at, your life is on the line. On the other hand, runescape items are worthless.

 

 

 

Actually, taking that 1 mil is $5, a partyhat can be sold for $2000. See, Rune Scape items are worth alot.