Lionheart_0 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 ok, i take back what i first said about all this. No life hsould be dystroyed. every life in the world has as right to live, and no one has the right to take that away. and that goes for all other animals too. Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnySmum Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 ok, i take back what i first said about all this. No life hsould be dystroyed. every life in the world has as right to live, and no one has the right to take that away. and that goes for all other animals too. I'd disagree with the animal part. There never has, nor will there ever be, any moral implication in killing an animal. Don't you think murdering a human is a completly different matter to killing an unmindful animal? Of course, unnecessary cruelty to animals is wrong, but there's nothing bad about being a carnavore :mrgreen: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionheart_0 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 i know what your saying. its in our nature to do that. to kill other things. to dystroy. but i fyou think about it to, it is in our nature to dystroy eachother, and ourselves. We are th eonly animals in the planet that live in our own filth. Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeoteddybear Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 correct..it's like the idea of good and evil. They are mere human perceptions, which is why I do not believe in things being good or evil. The main instinct is surivival. Now speaking about animals anyway..some animals actually leave their children if they are not wanted or they are not healthy. Guess what, we can don't that with humans. Because of legal implications and so many more things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punk4ever Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 I have this really great quote that sums up my feeling on abortion. It roughly goes like this: "Anyone who has ever supported slavery was free. Anyone who has ever supported abortion was alive." I am pro-choice. I say the mother of the child has a choice. I only basically agree with an abortion is if the woman was raped and wanted to abort the child because of the pain and suffering it causes her. However, it's a mother's choice. By The_Jeppoz :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champranger_1 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Why should the mother have a choice?? Didn't she make the choice when she wanted to get laid? If she doesnt want a kid then she should be out getting it on then she wont hafto worry about it. But if it was rape then i would maybe put it up for adoption. Everyone that thinks abortion is ok you got a sick mind and you should be aborted right now and see how it feels you idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usara Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 about the raping, i said with certain exceptions ofcourse, raping is one of those exceptions, and the fact it was all good with your experience thats good but i don't think this will happen verry often.. Even if a woman is raped, she could still put the child up for adoption, rathe than abort it. I wish it was that easy, the girl still has to bare it and live with the fact that there is someone with her blood wandering around this world. The baby NEVER shares the mother blood, they may have different blood types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usara Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 ok, i take back what i first said about all this. No life hsould be dystroyed. every life in the world has as right to live, and no one has the right to take that away. and that goes for all other animals too. I'd disagree with the animal part. There never has, nor will there ever be, any moral implication in killing an animal. Don't you think murdering a human is a completly different matter to killing an unmindful animal? Of course, unnecessary cruelty to animals is wrong, but there's nothing bad about being a carnavore :mrgreen: . No moral implication for killing an animal? Hell no, I hope you dont have a pet you barbarian. Nothing bad abou being a carnivore if you dont kill the animal yourself, or if it was breeded to be killed. But you cant kill an animal in cold blood, an animal that has a life to lead. Those damn vegitarians are all murders. When a cow or chicken is killed for eating it is at the prime of its life, its all gonna go downhill from there, with the aging and the rotting from inside out and the whatnot. When a soya field is harvested, rabbits, voles, mice and all sorts who live in the field and brutally murdered in combine harvesters. I think a quick shot to the head beats hearing your bones get all tangled and ripped apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expertgamer Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 let's all end THE HUMAN RACE. face it, most people are getting pregnant nowadays early on in their years, or just a lot of people. it's not gonna end the human race, but it is murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeoteddybear Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 The human race is just going fall apart anyway..unless we find some way to start lots and lots of colonies..they're just going keep reproduce and overconsume what resources we have left on this planet..especially if some people here who think abortion should be illegal. :roll: Human beings reproduce way to quickly..and since humans are one of the few animals (Yes I called a human being an animal. deal with it) that also use sex as a source of pleasure. I have nothing againist the people that don't want to abort their child. Or anything againist the people that want to abort their child. I believe the government should not have anything to do with marriage and internal matters like this. "Everyone that thinks abortion is ok you got a sick mind and you should be aborted right now and see how it feels you idiots." I guess teenage suicides answers that question..or the ones that consider suicide deeply. I guess they answer the question if they really want to be in this world. And most abortions take place in the early trimesters..so I doublt they wouldn't even feel anything..In fact, I think that's the law in the US. Abortion isn't legal in the 3rd trimester..you can only get it done in the early stages. Btw..if abortion was illegal I'm sure parents..or would be parents would find alot of ways to do harm to the child or even the moms could drink and produce so many potential problems for the child. Face it, not everyone believes in god and ideals of some people in the world. So like I said..if you don't like abortion, don't do it when you have the kid. But leave other people's personal lives alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led-Zeppelin Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 i think it should be aloud, you should have also made this a poll, would be interesting to see... i dont think an unborn child is really alive yet, so its ok, and if a child is unwanted, it shouldnt come into this world, there is also adopting a child out, but that could be hard for the mother, and its also good if the parents cant provide for a child.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionheart_0 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 hmmm as i said before, now im against abortion. But here is another thing. we all start to die once we are born. The very second we breath, we gain a cancer (This is just my therory, but it makes sense). We all carry cancer cells within use, but they are usally dorment untill someting awakens them. but one of these cancers (Natural death), is awakend once you are born. it starts to kill your cells, dystroying them. but our cells reproduce (Yes reproduce) to fast, and they cannot all be killed. But when people are older, the cells started to reproduce much slower, letting the cancer, and other illnesses, take over. altogether at some point, our cells just die, and we cant reproduce any to keep use together. Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackalope14 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 i think it should be aloud, you should have also made this a poll, would be interesting to see... i dont think an unborn child is really alive yet, so its ok, and if a child is unwanted, it shouldnt come into this world, there is also adopting a child out, but that could be hard for the mother, and its also good if the parents cant provide for a child.. How can you say its not living? Of course it is ts in the first stages OF life. And you kill it then its the same as killing it in anyother stage of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionheart_0 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 hmmm what part of it is alive though??? i think we are a symbiotic specieas. When reproduction takes place, i belive the egg is our boddys, and the sperm is our brains. we jsut inhabit these bodys, and use them to actuly live. without them, we are just electrical signals. So inconclusion, if abortion is taken place, you are killing the body, whish is already started to grow. but you havent killed the mind becase it is not alive yet. Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackalope14 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 ok, i take back what i first said about all this. No life hsould be dystroyed. every life in the world has as right to live, and no one has the right to take that away. and that goes for all other animals too. I'd disagree with the animal part. There never has, nor will there ever be, any moral implication in killing an animal. Don't you think murdering a human is a completly different matter to killing an unmindful animal? Of course, unnecessary cruelty to animals is wrong, but there's nothing bad about being a carnavore :mrgreen: . No moral implication for killing an animal? Hell no, I hope you dont have a pet you barbarian. Nothing bad abou being a carnivore if you dont kill the animal yourself, or if it was breeded to be killed. But you cant kill an animal in cold blood, an animal that has a life to lead. Those damn vegitarians are all murders. When a cow or chicken is killed for eating it is at the prime of its life, its all gonna go downhill from there, with the aging and the rotting from inside out and the whatnot. When a soya field is harvested, rabbits, voles, mice and all sorts who live in the field and brutally murdered in combine harvesters. I think a quick shot to the head beats hearing your bones get all tangled and ripped apart. I think your right, Not even giving the animal a chance is immoral. Thats why its illegal to bait animals while huntin because its not giving the animals a fair chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackalope14 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 hmmm what part of it is alive though??? i think we are a symbiotic specieas. When reproduction takes place, i belive the egg is our boddys, and the sperm is our brains. we jsut inhabit these bodys, and use them to actuly live. without them, we are just electrical signals. So inconclusion, if abortion is taken place, you are killing the body, whish is already started to grow. but you havent killed the mind becase it is not alive yet. well if you kill the body the mind is useless and its basically killing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led-Zeppelin Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 i think it should be aloud, you should have also made this a poll, would be interesting to see... i dont think an unborn child is really alive yet, so its ok, and if a child is unwanted, it shouldnt come into this world, there is also adopting a child out, but that could be hard for the mother, and its also good if the parents cant provide for a child.. How can you say its not living? Of course it is ts in the first stages OF life. And you kill it then its the same as killing it in anyother stage of life no i mean like.. of course its living, but its not a person, dosnt have a personality, and people should researve the right to get abortions, if its going to be made illegal, there will be abandoned babies, loveless childeren, people will still get aboritons, but they wont get done properly, in unsterile conditions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackalope14 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 i think it should be aloud, you should have also made this a poll, would be interesting to see... i dont think an unborn child is really alive yet, so its ok, and if a child is unwanted, it shouldnt come into this world, there is also adopting a child out, but that could be hard for the mother, and its also good if the parents cant provide for a child.. How can you say its not living? Of course it is ts in the first stages OF life. And you kill it then its the same as killing it in anyother stage of life no i mean like.. of course its living, but its not a person, dosnt have a personality, and people should researve the right to get abortions, if its going to be made illegal, there will be abandoned babies, loveless childeren, people will still get aboritons, but they wont get done properly, in unsterile conditions... I dont think that if abortions were banned that people would just leave that child out on the street, they would put it up for adoption. The main reason people have abortions is not because they wouldnt take care of the child its because they dont want pain and to go through all the stuff before the birth. But its usually thier fault that they are having the baby and even if it isnt (they got raped or something) then it still shouldnt affect the baby. It just doesnt seem right though that killing a un born eagle will get you fined thousands and its perfactly leagal to kill an unborn child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led-Zeppelin Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 It just doesnt seem right though that killing a un born eagle will get you fined thousands and its perfactly leagal to kill an unborn child.[/color] maybe one day when humans are a protected and endangered species? ok, im just guessing here, but its my guess that most abortions dont happen after 12 weeks or so? now, does that thing look like it has some sort of personality? knows whats going on around it? and i dont think people get abortions to not go through the "pain", they get them cause they're too young to have a child, scared, and dont want to tell their parents.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HellHoundsRECRUITER Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 i think that abortion is by choice also. But i would incourage a poor family to abort their child. Because alot of poor people have lots of kids that they cannot feed. When u have a kid that you cannot feed thatas crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackalope14 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 i think that abortion is by choice also. But i would incourage a poor family to abort their child. Because alot of poor people have lots of kids that they cannot feed. When u have a kid that you cannot feed thatas crazy *sigh* Its called adoption for the 50 millionth time mentioned in thie thread. :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackalope14 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 It just doesnt seem right though that killing a un born eagle will get you fined thousands and its perfactly leagal to kill an unborn child.[/color] maybe one day when humans are a protected and endangered species? ok, im just guessing here, but its my guess that most abortions dont happen after 12 weeks or so? now, does that thing look like it has some sort of personality? knows whats going on around it? and i dont think people get abortions to not go through the "pain", they get them cause they're too young to have a child, scared, and dont want to tell their parents.. thats thier stupid fault for getting pregnate in the first place if they are not ready! :roll: They have to deal with the concequences knows whats going on around it? so your going to kill it because its oblivious and doesnt know whats going on? a baby hardly knows whats going on when it's born so lets just kill it then how bout :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led-Zeppelin Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 so your going to kill it because its oblivious and doesnt know whats going on? a baby hardly knows whats going on when it's born so lets just kill it then how bout once its born they obviously wanted it, and i mean its oblivious as to whats going on around it, it dosnt really have a personality, so how can u feel remorce? thats thier stupid fault for getting pregnate in the first place if they are not ready! They have to deal with the concequences even with birth control pills and condoms, there is still chances to get pregnant... and i think you're the one thats oblivious to whats going on around you.. the world is having population issues as it is... i say we cut back, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led-Zeppelin Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 i think that abortion is by choice also. But i would incourage a poor family to abort their child. Because alot of poor people have lots of kids that they cannot feed. When u have a kid that you cannot feed thatas crazy *sigh* Its called adoption for the 50 millionth time mentioned in thie thread. :shock: abort = another term for abortion :idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackalope14 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 i think that abortion is by choice also. But i would incourage a poor family to abort their child. Because alot of poor people have lots of kids that they cannot feed. When u have a kid that you cannot feed thatas crazy *sigh* Its called adoption for the 50 millionth time mentioned in thie thread. :shock: abort = another word for abortion? :!: :idea: and the point your trying to make there is.... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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