The abortion debate

[frogact]

hmm must not be able to read....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Firt of all i consider that a flame. In the post I quoted, you did not say "i am against abortion". You said,

im neautruel

If you are going to comment on the literacy ability of others, or lack thereof, the very LEAST you can do is learn how to spell. :roll: And furthermore, my questions had nothing to do with whether you are for or against abortion, but were addressing your statement that the fetus does not have a living brain. I asked you to support that claim with evidence. Can YOU read?

[Lionheart_0]

yes i cna very well. i was not commenting on your ability to read, but more on that you didnt catch that. ok so it has sorta changed to neautral. but there must be critical reasons for the baby to be aborted (Like say the mother will die if she goes throught the pregnancy.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no i cannot use sappourting eveidence, for there is non. it is more of a therory. but the theory is very logical if you lok at it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. 1. im only 14 years old.

 

 

 

2. im very bad at spelling. even though my reading is very good.

[How2PK]

 

 

Lets see how they would like it if they where killed because they MAY have had a harsh life, or that they MAY inconvenience their mothers in future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"That guy over there looks like he can inconvenience me! Kill him!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is way different, this is your own responsibility not that of the man n the other side of the street so quit with that its BS. and we probably are wanted these others are unwanted.

 

 

 

Your sig says show me the love but you lack compassion for even the simplest forms of humans... Nice to see what your love it, your to much of an inconvenience adios.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have a lack of compassion, im just beeing reasonable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Besides i am not saying you MUST take an abortion im saying it should be legal. thats something totaly different.

[Silver_Dragon]

I think I read somewhere that a baby fetus does actually learn while in the mother's stomach. It recognizes light patterns, noise patterns, the mother's voice, even playing soft music to the baby will stimulate it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aha, found an article on it, by day 40, the fetus has developed brain waves that can be stimulated to learn, and can even distinguish its mother's voice from other female voices.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.apologeticspress.org/inthenews/2003/itn-03-12.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So whoever said the baby fetus cannot learn while in the womb, you're wrong, and all you pro-choice people might wanna take a look at that article.

[Romeoteddybear]

I've already known this and I'm still pro-choice. However my opinion about what abortions should be done at what stage is different. I believe if you want an abortion you better get it done in the early stages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kinda like the Government view on it so far. If you want a abortion done in a clinic you must get it before the 3rd trimester. Otherwise once it's in 3rd trimester abortions can only be done for health/medical reasons. And even before then it's not like you walk in and get it done. You talk to a counselor and some people before your actually in there getting the abortion.

[Led-Zeppelin]

I've already known this and I'm still pro-choice. However my opinion about what abortions should be done at what stage is different. I believe if you want an abortion you better get it done in the early stages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kinda like the Government view on it so far. If you want a abortion done in a clinic you must get it before the 3rd trimester. Otherwise once it's in 3rd trimester abortions can only be done for health/medical reasons. And even before then it's not like you walk in and get it done. You talk to a counselor and some people before your actually in there getting the abortion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i fully agree

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

all you hippies, we're not saying "whippe, lets all go out and get abortions!!!! :!: :!: " if ur against it, go get a bumper stickers that say "abortion is murder", and put it on the back of your VW van.. people researve the right to decide if they're ready to bring a child into the world or not...

[How2PK]

I've already known this and I'm still pro-choice. However my opinion about what abortions should be done at what stage is different. I believe if you want an abortion you better get it done in the early stages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kinda like the Government view on it so far. If you want a abortion done in a clinic you must get it before the 3rd trimester. Otherwise once it's in 3rd trimester abortions can only be done for health/medical reasons. And even before then it's not like you walk in and get it done. You talk to a counselor and some people before your actually in there getting the abortion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

we got the same system here in holland, don't know if it is before the third trimester or earlier or later...

[NorthernHero]

 

, think that youre raped or 15 years old. Would you really keep that child?

 

 

 

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Go to any public place and shoot any child between the eyes. Thats what i think abortion is. No difference.

 

 

 

Kill a spermie.. thats what I think abortion is, no difference.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But you say it can feel and regognize voises.. Then it should be done at the most earlier time of pregnaency that its possible. And just for medical or something like that reasons after that. Thats a good idea.

[frogact]

 

 

 

all you hippies, we're not saying "whippe, lets all go out and get abortions!!!! :!: :!: " if ur against it, go get a bumper stickers that say "abortion is murder", and put it on the back of your VW van.. people researve the right to decide if they're ready to bring a child into the world or not...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i hate stereotypes :roll: I'm not a hippy and i dont drive vw van. I do agree with one thing you said. People do have the right to decide whether to bring a child into the world or not. But that decision should be made BEFORE a child is created. Once a conception has taken place is not the time to be saying, "GEE i dont think i want any kids right now so i'm gonna exercise my right not to have any and murder this one" :roll:

[IGoddessI]

I dont agree with abortion Im strongly against it

 

 

 

if 2 people mess up bad luck dont ruin a life that wont ever again have the chance in this life time to exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I only agree with abortion if its rape

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if you dont like my opinion bad luck it asked for my thoughts and not for you to bag out my decision for any of those lamers who feel the need to quote and then say how right they are :roll: dont waste ur time coz ur babbling wont change my opinion

[____]

I dont agree with abortion Im strongly against it

 

 

 

if 2 people mess up bad luck dont ruin a life that wont ever again have the chance in this life time to exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I only agree with abortion if its rape

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if you dont like my opinion bad luck it asked for my thoughts and not for you to bag out my decision for any of those lamers who feel the need to quote and then say how right they are :roll: dont waste ur time coz ur babbling wont change my opinion

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Word with that Mel. I'm not a big fan of abortion except in certain circumstances, like rape.

[Romeoteddybear]

I thought this was suppose to be a debate..considering the title is "abortion debate"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just hope the law stays the way it is about abortion.

[Ania16]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If we want to say we live in a "free society" then how can we stop abortion? How can someone be opposed to abortion and yet be all for freedom? you just can''t.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Freedom? Are you kidding me? Your idea of freedom is having the right to end another's life? I don't think so. It's our freedom that should protect us from such atrocities. You may argue that scientifically, a fetus in the first trimester is not alive yet, but at the bottom line if you leave that baby alone it will become a person just like you and me, and there's no way you can justify stopping that from happening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And then you say it's not fair to the baby to let it live, because it might have a low quality of life. Wow. I had to take a step back when i read that one. Think about that as if it were you who were the baby. Would you prefer no life, or a "low quality" life, where at least you have a chance to obtain whatever you deem to be a "high quality" life? Any life at all is better than being dead. I cant believe you would even use that as a justification for abortion. Are you saying we should go shoot all the homeless people in the streets and all the orphans living in orphanages because their lives are "low quality"? It's a ridiculous, heartless statement to make. How can you decide to end a child's life before he or she ever has a chance to become someone?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I completely agree with xam.

[Led-Zeppelin]

 

 

 

Freedom? Are you kidding me? Your idea of freedom is having the right to end another's life? I don't think so. It's our freedom that should protect us from such atrocities. You may argue that scientifically, a fetus in the first trimester is not alive yet, but at the bottom line if you leave that baby alone it will become a person just like you and me, and there's no way you can justify stopping that from happening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And then you say it's not fair to the baby to let it live, because it might have a low quality of life. Wow. I had to take a step back when i read that one. Think about that as if it were you who were the baby. Would you prefer no life, or a "low quality" life, where at least you have a chance to obtain whatever you deem to be a "high quality" life? Any life at all is better than being dead. I cant believe you would even use that as a justification for abortion. Are you saying we should go shoot all the homeless people in the streets and all the orphans living in orphanages because their lives are "low quality"? It's a ridiculous, heartless statement to make. How can you decide to end a child's life before he or she ever has a chance to become someone?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

like NorthernHero said, kill a sperm, practise safe sex, oh no, ur killing potential life!! Murderer!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and when he said low quality life, i dont think he was meaning if the family was poor, i think he might have been meaning if ur child would be born with a mental condition that meant all it could do for its whole life would be to sit in a chair and drool, i wouldnt want to bring a child into the world like that, thats low quality life...

[Deathbyape]

I think abortion should only be allowed when Rape, incest, ect. is in effect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyother reason is their fault, they knew the consequences and they decided to take that risk. End of story.

[baccon]

Pro Choice

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I prefer that it only be done in extreme circumstances but it's the woman's choice. She's the one carrying it, and it's her and only her responsibility. The only abortion I don't approve of is third trimester abortion, cause it's a bit extreme, but I don't condone or feel differently to any woman who has ever done it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A child is a huge responsibilty and some women just know that they are not ready, and it's for the best. I highly doubt a pregnant woman just up and goes and has an abortion without thinking everything thru first. They must know it is for the best.

[sonsie]

Pro Choice

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I prefer that it only be done in extreme circumstances but it's the woman's choice. She's the one carrying it, and it's her and only her responsibility. The only abortion I don't approve of is third trimester abortion, cause it's a bit extreme, but I don't condone or feel differently to any woman who has ever done it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A child is a huge responsibilty and some women just know that they are not ready, and it's for the best. I highly doubt a pregnant woman just up and goes and has an abortion without thinking everything thru first. They must know it is for the best.

 

 

 

If you want to be like that, make the man have absolutly no responsibility towards the child when its born, if it is solely the womens responsibility then let the man have no financial or parental responsibility for the child...

[baccon]

 

Pro Choice

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I prefer that it only be done in extreme circumstances but it's the woman's choice. She's the one carrying it, and it's her and only her responsibility. The only abortion I don't approve of is third trimester abortion, cause it's a bit extreme, but I don't condone or feel differently to any woman who has ever done it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A child is a huge responsibilty and some women just know that they are not ready, and it's for the best. I highly doubt a pregnant woman just up and goes and has an abortion without thinking everything thru first. They must know it is for the best.

 

 

 

If you want to be like that, make the man have absolutly no responsibility towards the child when its born, if it is solely the womens responsibility then let the man have no financial or parental responsibility for the child...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm just suggesting that a man should not have the right to tell a woman abortion is wrong. Of course they have every right to help them make the decision but it's up to the woman in the end.

[Astralinre]

I believe that abortion is completely wrong. It is MURDER. When you have your baby aborted, you robbing another human of his/her right to live and find happiness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you get pregnant by mistake, it is your fault, and you should accept the consequences of it. I realize that many people don't have the resources, time-wise, money-wise, or age-wise (too young), to raise a child. Put the baby up for adoption! I find it ridiculous that people would rather kill a future child than give him/her the chance to be adopted by a loving family and have a great life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But what if you get pregnant by rape? Even in that case, I believe abortion is wrong. Why compound the one man's crime of rape with your crime of murder?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I prefer that it only be done in extreme circumstances but it's the woman's choice. She's the one carrying it, and it's her and only her responsibility

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is her responsibility to give that fetus every chance she can at living a good, healthy life.

[HugATree]

But what if you get pregnant by rape? Even in that case, I believe abortion is wrong. Why compound the one man's crime of rape with your crime of murder?

 

 

 

Great. Now you're twisting it around so the victim is the criminal, because she wasn't ready for a child and doesn't want to carry one you're going to make her have it anyway, are you any different from the rapist?

 

 

 

Hey maybe it was her fault and she has to suffer the consequences?

[How2PK]

 

But what if you get pregnant by rape? Even in that case, I believe abortion is wrong. Why compound the one man's crime of rape with your crime of murder?

 

 

 

Great. Now you're twisting it around so the victim is the criminal, because she wasn't ready for a child and doesn't want to carry one you're going to make her have it anyway, are you any different from the rapist?

 

 

 

Hey maybe it was her fault and she has to suffer the consequences?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not the mention the huge trauma the victem is suffering off...it's ridiculos to force her to have the baby...Traume + baring a baby + giving it for addoption/raising it = not verry good for a woman, doesnt matter what age she is.

[IGoddessI]

 

But what if you get pregnant by rape? Even in that case, I believe abortion is wrong. Why compound the one man's crime of rape with your crime of murder?

 

 

 

Great. Now you're twisting it around so the victim is the criminal, because she wasn't ready for a child and doesn't want to carry one you're going to make her have it anyway, are you any different from the rapist?

 

 

 

Hey maybe it was her fault and she has to suffer the consequences?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well put bro :lol:

[Astralinre]

 

But what if you get pregnant by rape? Even in that case, I believe abortion is wrong. Why compound the one man's crime of rape with your crime of murder?

 

 

 

Great. Now you're twisting it around so the victim is the criminal, because she wasn't ready for a child and doesn't want to carry one you're going to make her have it anyway, are you any different from the rapist?

 

 

 

Hey maybe it was her fault and she has to suffer the consequences?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was not her fault, it was the rapist's fault. But the fact is, whether she wanted it or not, she is pregnant. Just because the baby was forced on her does not mean she shouldn't give it the same chance as if it was a normal child. She should make the best out of something terrible that happened to her.

[Led-Zeppelin]

 

 

But what if you get pregnant by rape? Even in that case, I believe abortion is wrong. Why compound the one man's crime of rape with your crime of murder?

 

 

 

Great. Now you're twisting it around so the victim is the criminal, because she wasn't ready for a child and doesn't want to carry one you're going to make her have it anyway, are you any different from the rapist?

 

 

 

Hey maybe it was her fault and she has to suffer the consequences?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was not her fault, it was the rapist's fault. But the fact is, whether she wanted it or not, she is pregnant. Just because the baby was forced on her does not mean she shouldn't give it the same chance as if it was a normal child. She should make the best out of something terrible that happened to her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

20 years down the track the baby goes looking for his/her real mother, finds her, hi, mum its me, u put me up for adoption why? whos my father?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

im sorry, your the child of a rapist...

[HugATree]

 

 

But what if you get pregnant by rape? Even in that case, I believe abortion is wrong. Why compound the one man's crime of rape with your crime of murder?

 

 

 

Great. Now you're twisting it around so the victim is the criminal, because she wasn't ready for a child and doesn't want to carry one you're going to make her have it anyway, are you any different from the rapist?

 

 

 

Hey maybe it was her fault and she has to suffer the consequences?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was not her fault, it was the rapist's fault. But the fact is, whether she wanted it or not, she is pregnant. Just because the baby was forced on her does not mean she shouldn't give it the same chance as if it was a normal child. She should make the best out of something terrible that happened to her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're telling her what she should or shouldn't do, how is it her responsibly? Why are you making the decision for her? She should do whatever she damn wants with her own body.