The abortion debate

[Mercifull]

Alot of people don't realize there is a reason why god created them. And because of that people don't realize how important babys are.

A lot of people dont seem to realise that it is a man and a woman who create a baby and not a generic deity. Perhaps you need to go back to sex ed?

[Viktorkrum77]

I am for abortion. I see it as a choice for the person bearing the child. I have to agree with everyting Wizard says.

 

 

 

I also am a strong believer that America needs to use Nordic countries such as Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland as models. Though not perfect in every aspect, the Scandinavian countries come close to a model society, and how it works. There rule for abortion is within a certain time period it may be done. It's another success for them, we seriously need to use them as a role model.

 

 

 

Alas, America is too ignorant to use other countries as role models.

 

 

 

You can add Canada to that list of role model countries. Canada comes close as well.

[darkmage099]

I am for abortion. I see it as a choice for the person bearing the child. I have to agree with everyting Wizard says.

 

 

 

I also am a strong believer that America needs to use Nordic countries such as Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland as models. Though not perfect in every aspect, the Scandinavian countries come close to a model society, and how it works. There rule for abortion is within a certain time period it may be done. It's another success for them, we seriously need to use them as a role model.

 

 

 

Alas, America is too ignorant to use other countries as role models.

 

 

 

You can add Canada to that list of role model countries. Canada comes close as well.

 

 

 

Yeah, but what about the child. The way I see it, it is living once the heart starts beating. I don't necessarily consider it murder, but I think it is wrong. However, I am not agains the morning-after pill or birth control. Because you stop it before the egg is fertilized ( I think...I might be misinformed).

[Guest GhostRanger]

Alas, America is too ignorant to use other countries as role models.

 

 

 

Maybe other countries are too ignorant to use America as a role model. :wink:

 

 

 

You know what's funny - you said America is too ignorant to model after other countries, and yet, abortions are legal in the United States. Maybe you're just ignorant on the whole abortion issue?

[Viktorkrum77]

Alas, America is too ignorant to use other countries as role models.

 

 

 

Maybe other countries are too ignorant to use America as a role model. :wink:

 

 

 

You know what's funny - you said America is too ignorant to model after other countries, and yet, abortions are legal in the United States. Maybe you're just ignorant on the whole abortion issue?

 

 

 

Either me or you are misinformed. I was under the understanding that abortion was not legal anymore. It was from Roe vs. Wade up untill Bush's inauguration. Right?

[Faux]

I know being what I am should make me against abortion, but man, I've known some people that should've been aborted.

[Guest GhostRanger]

Alas, America is too ignorant to use other countries as role models.

 

 

 

Maybe other countries are too ignorant to use America as a role model. :wink:

 

 

 

You know what's funny - you said America is too ignorant to model after other countries, and yet, abortions are legal in the United States. Maybe you're just ignorant on the whole abortion issue?

 

 

 

Either me or you are misinformed. I was under the understanding that abortion was not legal anymore. It was from Roe vs. Wade up untill Bush's inauguration. Right?

 

 

 

Man. Where do I begin?

 

 

 

First off, you are misinformed. Roe vs. Wade has not yet been overturned. Abortions are still legal in the United States. Let me explain to you a few things before you spread anymore ridiclous propganda:

 

 

 

The President of the United States never has veto power over the Supreme Court. No matter what Bush wrote, signed, or went to war with - he would never have the power to overturn Roe v. Wade. Your assertion that it was overtturned on his inauguration is completely unfounded because the President could never overturn a Supreme Court ruling like that.

 

 

 

How can you be this misinformed?

[Viktorkrum77]

Alas, America is too ignorant to use other countries as role models.

 

 

 

Maybe other countries are too ignorant to use America as a role model. :wink:

 

 

 

You know what's funny - you said America is too ignorant to model after other countries, and yet, abortions are legal in the United States. Maybe you're just ignorant on the whole abortion issue?

 

 

 

Either me or you are misinformed. I was under the understanding that abortion was not legal anymore. It was from Roe vs. Wade up untill Bush's inauguration. Right?

 

 

 

Man. Where do I begin?

 

 

 

First off, you are misinformed. Roe vs. Wade has not yet been overturned. Abortions are still legal in the United States. Let me explain to you a few things before you spread anymore ridiclous propganda:

 

 

 

The President of the United States never has veto power over the Supreme Court. No matter what Bush wrote, signed, or went to war with - he would never have the power to overturn Roe v. Wade. Your assertion that it was overtturned on his inauguration is completely unfounded because the President could never overturn a Supreme Court ruling like that.

 

 

 

How can you be this misinformed?

 

 

 

I meant during his first term.

 

 

 

I don't know. I hear all this talk about him being against it, and how he just loves to combine religion and law. And gay marriage, and all that adds up to me thinking and hearing he's against it. That and a speach he said about it, that's where I got the idea that is was illegal now.

 

 

 

Wait, why are we arguing about making something already legal, legal? That's another place I got the idea.

[Guest GhostRanger]

I meant during his first term.

 

 

 

I don't know. I hear all this talk about him being against it, and how he just loves to combine religion and law. And gay marriage, and all that adds up to me thinking and hearing he's against it. That and a speach he said about it, that's where I got the idea that is was illegal now.

 

 

 

Wait, why are we arguing about making something already legal, legal? That's another place I got the idea.

 

 

 

What does it matter if it's during his first term or second? Anyway, yes - Bush is against abortion. He does want it allowed. But that still doesn't mean it is. There are tons of politicians against abortion. Reagan was against abortion. Bush 41 was against abortion. Do you really know that little about American government to think Bush could overturn a Supreme Court ruling just because he wants to? It's just beyond me why you would discuss a subject you know such miniscule amounts about.

 

 

 

The reason we debate about it is not to make it legal, it's to overturn Roe v. Wade and let the states decide (and hopefully make it illegal). At least half of America wants it illegal and at least half of America wants it legal - so there's debate about it.

 

 

 

There's also debate because South Dakota has recently ignored the Supreme Court ruling and banned abortion after a 33-year-long research project released a 72 page report about the affects of abortions which they discovered were very negative. The ban has been appealed over and over, yet to be overturned, and will be heard by the US Supreme Court before long - possibly overturning Roe v. Wade. This is causing a lot of uproar across the country...even though we've been debating whether or not abortions should be legal for decades.

[Viktorkrum77]

If you ask me, the easiest way to solve this situation is to just keep it legal. And if you don't want one, then don't get one. It's as simple as that. No one said since abortion is legal you had to do it. If it's not affecting you, what does it matter to you.

[Guest GhostRanger]

If you ask me, the easiest way to solve this situation is to just keep it legal. And if you don't want one, then don't get one. It's as simple as that. No one said since abortion is legal you had to do it. If it's not affecting you, what does it matter to you.

 

 

 

Despite that sounding good, because it's your opinion, there are a number of people who believe abortion is morally reprehensible and a form of murder. It doesn't matter if it affects them or not, they view the millions of babies who have been aborted as a million of babies that have been mercilessly slaughtered. In fact, there are programs like the Genocide Awareness Program that make comparisons between the legality of abortion to the legality of gasing the Jews in Germany, lynching blacks in America, and other such atrocities. They would argue that those things didn't affect all of us and so we shouldn't have worried about them.

 

 

 

Note: I'm not trying to get into a debate. I'm just explaining the other side of it since you were curious.

[Viktorkrum77]

Yes, but I will say this. The population of the world is growing so much, that aborting people before they are born shouldn't be considered murder. If abortion was to be made illegal, 100's of 1,000's of people would be unable to support there babies, causing them to become poor, relie off welfare, and that program of which I can't think of right now that aides people with babies. And all this will cause taxes to go up up up!! And more middle class families will get poor from taxes going up. And the economy will suffer. The middle class provides the majority of the economies success. The wealthy only make up a small proportion of the population. These are all effects of over populating and over reproducing. It could come back to survival of the fitest, etc. If we would make abortion illegal, it will speed up this process. At the rate of the population growth, and the rate of the economy is falling, this is likley to have detramental effects on our lifestyle in our lifetime.

 

 

 

BTW even though India and China account for the majority of the population growth, America is a heavy contributer as well.

 

 

 

Also, Albosky is back.

[Guest GhostRanger]

Yes, but I will say this. The population of the world is growing so much, that aborting people before they are born shouldn't be considered murder. if abortion was to be made illegal, 100's of 1,000's of people would be unable to support there baby, causing them to become poor, relie off welfare, and that program of which I can't think of right now that aides people with babies. And all this will cause taxes to go up up up!! And more middle class families will get poor from taxes going up. And the economy will suffer. The middle class provides the majority of the economies success. The wealthy only make up a small proportion of the population. These are all effects of over populating and over reporoducing. It could come back to survival of the fitest, etc. If we would make abortion ilegal, it will speed up this process. At the rate of the population growth, and the rate of the economy is falling, this is likley to have detramental effects on ouu lifestyle in our lifetime.

 

 

 

BTW even though India and China account for the majority of the population growth, America is a heavy contributer as well.

 

 

 

I don't think anything you said in that was worthwhile, unless you meant to make me laugh. If that's the case, it was definitely worthwhile. Can I sum up your point real quick:

 

 

 

Less taxes > Human life.

 

 

 

You make me ROFL.

 

 

 

EDIT: Albosky is back? I don't believe it! I won't believe it until I see it! Where are you dearest Albosky?!?

[Viktorkrum77]

Yes, but I will say this. The population of the world is growing so much, that aborting people before they are born shouldn't be considered murder. if abortion was to be made illegal, 100's of 1,000's of people would be unable to support there baby, causing them to become poor, relie off welfare, and that program of which I can't think of right now that aides people with babies. And all this will cause taxes to go up up up!! And more middle class families will get poor from taxes going up. And the economy will suffer. The middle class provides the majority of the economies success. The wealthy only make up a small proportion of the population. These are all effects of over populating and over reporoducing. It could come back to survival of the fitest, etc. If we would make abortion ilegal, it will speed up this process. At the rate of the population growth, and the rate of the economy is falling, this is likley to have detramental effects on ouu lifestyle in our lifetime.

 

 

 

BTW even though India and China account for the majority of the population growth, America is a heavy contributer as well.

 

 

 

I don't think anything you said in that was worthwhile, unless you meant to make me laugh. If that's the case, it was definitely worthwhile. Can I sum up your point real quick:

 

 

 

Less taxes > Human life.

 

 

 

You make me ROFL.

 

 

 

EDIT: Albosky is back? I don't believe it! I won't believe it until I see it! Where are you dearest Albosky?!?

 

 

 

More people = more poor people = more welfare = higher taxes = less spending money for middle class = econony falling.

 

 

 

He posted today on the Runescape updates forum.

[Guest GhostRanger]

He posted today on the Runescape updates forum.

 

 

 

Pft. I don't believe you! =;

[Astralinre]

Yes, but I will say this. The population of the world is growing so much, that aborting people before they are born shouldn't be considered murder. If abortion was to be made illegal, 100's of 1,000's of people would be unable to support there babies, causing them to become poor, relie off welfare, and that program of which I can't think of right now that aides people with babies. And all this will cause taxes to go up up up!! And more middle class families will get poor from taxes going up. And the economy will suffer. The middle class provides the majority of the economies success. The wealthy only make up a small proportion of the population. These are all effects of over populating and over reproducing. It could come back to survival of the fitest, etc. If we would make abortion illegal, it will speed up this process. At the rate of the population growth, and the rate of the economy is falling, this is likley to have detramental effects on our lifestyle in our lifetime.

 

 

 

BTW even though India and China account for the majority of the population growth, America is a heavy contributer as well.

 

 

 

Also, Albosky is back.

 

 

 

If survival of the fittest is your only reason to support abortion, do you also support the killing of the handicapped, sick, and elderly? After all, it would free up more resources and help cut back on overpopulation. Besides, how much nicer would the world look without those people with defects?

 

 

 

And I don't have any cold hard evidence to back this up, but if I recall, America isn't really contributing to population growth. In fact, the American birth rate is right around the replacement level. The American population is still growing, but that's only because of immigration.

[Kwisatz]

Yes, but I will say this. The population of the world is growing so much, that aborting people before they are born shouldn't be considered murder. If abortion was to be made illegal, 100's of 1,000's of people would be unable to support there babies, causing them to become poor, relie off welfare, and that program of which I can't think of right now that aides people with babies. And all this will cause taxes to go up up up!! And more middle class families will get poor from taxes going up. And the economy will suffer. The middle class provides the majority of the economies success. The wealthy only make up a small proportion of the population. These are all effects of over populating and over reproducing. It could come back to survival of the fitest, etc. If we would make abortion illegal, it will speed up this process. At the rate of the population growth, and the rate of the economy is falling, this is likley to have detramental effects on our lifestyle in our lifetime.

 

 

 

BTW even though India and China account for the majority of the population growth, America is a heavy contributer as well.

 

 

 

Also, Albosky is back.

 

 

 

By such rationale, murders are doing us all a favor by killing people. The Columbine shooters are keeping the population in check.

 

 

 

Abortion = effectively indirect killing. See the cause and effect argument I made earlier in this thread. Once again don't ask me about incest and such because I still haven't quite reconciled that, but as far as I'm concerned if you decide to put your Twinkie in the Suzy Q, then you should be fully expectant of the, ready for this, INTENDED AND EXPECTED OUTCOME. And you can make no excuse that will make any kind of sense as to why you deserve to prevent a life because of your own a) lack of self-control or B) cheap nature that prevents you from purchasing reliable protection.

 

 

 

Those people that rely on welfare, whose fault is it that they had the baby 99.9% of the time? It's THEIR OWN DAMN FAULT. "Oh boo hoo, I HAD INTERCOURSE BUT I DIDN'T EXPECT A BABY TO COME OUT OF IT, I JUST PERFORMED A BIOLOGICAL FUNCTION DESIGNED FIRST AND FOREMOST TO DO THAT AND HOPED THAT IT WOULDN'T DO ITS THING!. It's absurd. A joke. Stop whining and take responsibility.

 

 

 

As for the tax notion, those kinds of people shouldn't even receive welfare unless they truly did not know any better, but that's another argument entirely. And if you don't pay taxes and are making that argument, as so many kids my age do, then cork it until you actually have the burden of paying them.. Those of us that shell out to "the man" have it tougher than you, and if anyone decides to whine it should be us, not you.

 

 

 

My two cents, or ten dollars.

[darkmage099]

He posted today on the Runescape updates forum.

 

 

 

Pft. I don't believe you! =;

 

 

 

 

 

Click here to find the news you do not believe. :-w

[MyPurpleCrayon]

This might be one of the best topics ever.

 

 

 

I can't believe someone can argue so seriously with someone that's making fun of them the entire time.

[Guest GhostRanger]

He posted today on the Runescape updates forum.

 

 

 

Pft. I don't believe you! =;

 

 

 

 

 

Click here to find the news you do not believe. :-w

 

 

 

I can't belive you don't see through this. Clearly someone has hacked Albosky's username and is posting Runescape News under it. I can't believe you all believe this scam!

[Astralinre]

This might be one of the best topics ever.

 

 

 

I can't believe someone can argue so seriously with someone that's making fun of them the entire time.

 

 

 

Personally, I prefer their conversation in the Farenheit 451 thread. Now that's a classic.

[darkmage099]

He posted today on the Runescape updates forum.

 

 

 

Pft. I don't believe you! =;

 

 

 

 

 

Click here to find the news you do not believe. :-w

 

 

 

I can't belive you don't see through this. Clearly someone has hacked Albosky's username and is posting Runescape News under it. I can't believe you all believe this scam!

 

 

 

Yeah, I was lying. Someone hijacked his username. IT WASN'T ME! I SWEAR! :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:^o

[Guest GhostRanger]

This might be one of the best topics ever.

 

 

 

I can't believe someone can argue so seriously with someone that's making fun of them the entire time.

 

 

 

Personally, I prefer their conversation in the Farenheit 451 thread. Now that's a classic.

 

 

 

It's pretty obvious neither of you all have checked out necromagus' latest post on the torture thread. This is definitely the best post in the world.

[Astralinre]

^^ Win.

[MyPurpleCrayon]

^^ Win.

 

 

 

I agree, best post in the world.

 

 

 

Too bad Albosky had to delete the best topic in the world. :wink: