@Germans and Japanese

[amoeba_009]

The Japanese play WWII video games.

 

 

 

The Germans just drink beer and burn copies of Mein Kampf for warmth.

 

 

 

Lulz, Mein Kampf. My history teacher last yera ranted on for a week about hitler. Its like he loved him or something.

[Unoalexi]

The Japanese play WWII video games.

 

 

 

The Germans just drink beer and burn copies of Mein Kampf for warmth.

 

 

 

Lulz, Mein Kampf. My history teacher last yera ranted on for a week about hitler. Its like he loved him or something.

 

 

 

:shock: :ohnoes:

[kelem_ryu]

The Japanese play WWII video games.

 

 

 

The Germans just drink beer and burn copies of Mein Kampf for warmth.

 

 

 

Lulz, Mein Kampf. My history teacher last yera ranted on for a week about hitler. Its like he loved him or something.

 

 

 

:shock: :ohnoes:

 

 

 

I think it is a big mistake picturing Hitler just in a negative way. He was human to and did good things to the country to. From the movies and documentaries i saw he even was a nice person to those close to him. Also he seemed to be a very charismatic rethoric. Painting him as the devil incarnated is definitely wrong. I even think the picture of the ravaging madman is very inaccurate. He just was a very passionate person - passioate about very wrong things. You can't blame WWII on Hitler though. That would be too easy. There are many factors that lead to this war and the attrocities that happend. Hitler just was the personification of the Zeitgeist. Like every famous or infamous person is a personifaction of something. These people just represent something that is felt by many others.

 

 

 

Hitler is the perfect scapegoat. Sure he did his share, but i sincerely doubt he even killed one jew in his life. There were others who pulled the trigger. Antisemitic and nationalistic thoughts were very widely spread back then. I think Hitler just spoke out what the majority felt.

 

 

 

 

 

btw... i don't really know what oh so bad the Japanese did during WWII. Sure Pearl Harbor, but that was a military target. They didn't blow away two [bleep]ing cities or gassed a couple million jews after all.

[Guest]

The Japanese play WWII video games.

 

 

 

The Germans just drink beer and burn copies of Mein Kampf for warmth.

 

 

 

Lulz, Mein Kampf. My history teacher last yera ranted on for a week about hitler. Its like he loved him or something.

 

 

 

:shock: :ohnoes:

 

 

 

I think it is a big mistake picturing Hitler just in a negative way. He was human to and did good things to the country to. From the movies and documentaries i saw he even was a nice person to those close to him. Also he seemed to be a very charismatic rethoric. Painting him as the devil incarnated is definitely wrong. I even think the picture of the ravaging madman is very inaccurate. He just was a very passionate person - passioate about very wrong things. You can't blame WWII on Hitler though. That would be too easy. There are many factors that lead to this war and the attrocities that happend. Hitler just was the personification of the Zeitgeist. Like every famous or infamous person is a personifaction of something. These people just represent something that is felt by many others.

 

 

 

Hitler is the perfect scapegoat. Sure he did his share, but i sincerely doubt he even killed one jew in his life. There were others who pulled the trigger. Antisemitic and nationalistic thoughts were very widely spread back then. I think Hitler just spoke out what the majority felt.

 

 

 

 

 

Your ignorance is astonishing. There wouldn't of been one time where Hitler being the leader of them all couldn't of stopped all the blood shed. He had just as much to do with the murdering of the millions of Jews and Gipsy's during the Holocaust as any other of his team under his leadership. And to then say that he didn't even kill one Jew in his life is such a naive statement to make. Its the leadership who make the decisions not the everyday soldier running the POW camps or fighting on the war-front.

 

 

 

Of course there would of been the others who pulled the trigger. Are you that ignorant you'd think that Hitler (practically seen as a God to his countrymen) would of done his dirty work by going and killing mass amounts of people at a time. Of course not, all he'd be doing is giving the orders, which is murder no matter how ignorantly you look at the situation. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

The Leaders should always be taking the blame in whats happened in History. They shouldn't be seen as the "Scapegoat" as they're the ones in the end making the final decision. Every important decision would of been either made by Hitler or by one of his officials which would of been ran past him before being executed (concerning their plans). He was an Evil and Wicked Man who's lust for power and control caused millions of innocent lives to be lost.

[underu2000]

This reminds me of a conversation earlier last week. Some dude from liverpool (aptly named "Scouseman") was talking to this German guy, and out of the blue he told him that his grandparents were killed by Nazis after they burn't them alive in a barn. That was possibly the most akward few minutes of my life.

 

Aaaah.....I can imagine...Not that it's fair to blame the German dude, but the only possible reaction on his part would be blinking and a moment of utter fascination with the floor and walls. Feel bad for him....

 

 

 

I'm sure every person in Japan is aware of their part in WWII, as much as Japan refuses to apologize for their past action. Whether the matter is taught in schools I do not know, but something that ominous can't be hidden, no matter how much the xenophobic government tries. (Sorry if the xenophobic part is offensive, but it does seem that way to me.)

 

 

 

Although I do feel bad for kids in Germany and Japan. I can tell Saving Private Ryan, or Call of Duty games wouldn't be popular there...

[kelem_ryu]

 

I think it is a big mistake picturing Hitler just in a negative way. He was human to and did good things to the country to. From the movies and documentaries i saw he even was a nice person to those close to him. Also he seemed to be a very charismatic rethoric. Painting him as the devil incarnated is definitely wrong. I even think the picture of the ravaging madman is very inaccurate. He just was a very passionate person - passioate about very wrong things. You can't blame WWII on Hitler though. That would be too easy. There are many factors that lead to this war and the attrocities that happend. Hitler just was the personification of the Zeitgeist. Like every famous or infamous person is a personifaction of something. These people just represent something that is felt by many others.

 

 

 

Hitler is the perfect scapegoat. Sure he did his share, but i sincerely doubt he even killed one jew in his life. There were others who pulled the trigger. Antisemitic and nationalistic thoughts were very widely spread back then. I think Hitler just spoke out what the majority felt.

 

 

 

 

 

Your ignorance is astonishing. There wouldn't of been one time where Hitler being the leader of them all couldn't of stopped all the blood shed. He had just as much to do with the murdering of the millions of Jews and Gipsy's during the Holocaust as any other of his team under his leadership. And to then say that he didn't even kill one Jew in his life is such a naive statement to make. Its the leadership who make the decisions not the everyday soldier running the POW camps or fighting on the war-front.

 

 

 

Of course there would of been the others who pulled the trigger. Are you that ignorant you'd think that Hitler (practically seen as a God to his countrymen) would of done his dirty work by going and killing mass amounts of people at a time. Of course not, all he'd be doing is giving the orders, which is murder no matter how ignorantly you look at the situation. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

The Leaders should always be taking the blame in whats happened in History. They shouldn't be seen as the "Scapegoat" as they're the ones in the end making the final decision. Every important decision would of been either made by Hitler or by one of his officials which would of been ran past him before being executed (concerning their plans). He was an Evil and Wicked Man who's lust for power and control caused millions of innocent lives to be lost.

 

 

 

You are right. The "evil, wicked man" told us to kill them all! All the rest of us wash our hands in innocence.

 

 

 

Everybody who pulled the trigger and bought Hitlers agenda is equally guilty. Then again i don't believe in such a thing as guilt. They are all victims. Hitler & all who followed him as well as all who died by their hands are victims of ignorance, hate and anger. That's right. I just said Hitler was a victim. Go ahead and stone me to death, go ahead and call me ignorant, go ahead thinking there is even a single "evil" person on the planet. Beware though, lest you become a victim yourself. It's very convenient to see things in black and white.

 

 

 

EDIT: The reason why i called Hitler a scapegoat is because what is done is that all of the atrocities are blamed on him and maybe his close henchman and then we point the finger and say he is responsible for everything, while the rest is innocent. It's true that Hitler played a big role in this play, but blaming him won't remove the blood on the hands of the germans. And picturing him as the devil incarnated is certainly wrong. There are many facettes to Hitler, as there are to every person.

 

 

 

EDIT2. I would even delve deeper into the materia, but i don't want to attract too much hate. If you wonder what i am on about, watch the movie "The Believer" about an antisemitic jew. The amazing thing about it is that this guys hate for everything jewish (which includes himself) is born of deep faith. During the course of the story he then begins to understand and accept himself and his religion on a very fundamental level.

[i_trollz_u]

The countries do tell them what happened without lying or anything (japan bombed pearl harbour, Hitler commited genocide, ect.), but they probably don't emphasize it as much...no country would say "yeah, we we killed millions of people ruthlessly just because of their religion and we deserved to lose..."

[Giordano]

Probably not. The same way the US doesnt' teach their war mongering to students truthfully either

have you ever been in a us school to say that?

 

HahahAHA! The schools teach US as a good-hearted country and its only goal is to spread and protect the ideas of 'democracy'. Load of bull.

[underu2000]

Probably not. The same way the US doesnt' teach their war mongering to students truthfully either

have you ever been in a us school to say that?

 

HahahAHA! The schools teach US as a good-hearted country and its only goal is to spread and protect the ideas of 'democracy'. Load of bull.

 

I seriously doubt that. It's kinda hard to convey that idea when dealing with slavery, the civil war, native american policy and american imperialism. It's especially not true because the state governments doesn't regulate much other than basic curriculum, all the other details are left to your standardized tests and your teacher's opinions.

 

 

 

At least here in New York. East Coast > West Coast anyway. :twisted: :mrgreen:

[Guest]

You are right. The "evil, wicked man" told us to kill them all! All the rest of us wash our hands in innocence.

 

 

 

Who do you think makes the decisions? The man on the battle front killing the enemy in battle? That's like comparing it to a factory floor worker in a toy company making all the toys and also making all the decisions about the direction of the business. Its called a Boss (in this case its Hitler the "Leader") they don't just have that title for ***** and giggles. Moron.

 

 

 

Everybody who pulled the trigger and bought Hitlers agenda is equally guilty.

 

 

 

I can't believe you'd draw a link between Hitler (the leader) and the regular man on the streets of Germany supporting his country in WW2. You've not only showed yourself to be an idiot but saying things like that to the wrong people (especially Germans who have relatives in Germany in that time) to be a massive insult.

 

 

 

That's right. I just said Hitler was a victim. Go ahead and stone me to death,

 

 

 

That one can go into my sig. :wink: Poor old Hitler, he had it so hard back in the day. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: The reason why i called Hitler a scapegoat is because what is done is that all of the atrocities are blamed on him and maybe his close henchman and then we point the finger and say he is responsible for everything, while the rest is innocent.

 

 

 

The rest aren't innocent but there a whole less guilty than Hitler. That's why believe it or not the courts sentenced some of them to death (the Henchmen) and some to just pure imprisonment. How Significant! :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

It's true that Hitler played a big role in this play

 

 

 

SO you're able to admit that, yet still say he's a victim for causing millions of deaths. Idiot.

 

 

 

 

 

You and your credibility is a Joke.

[kelem_ryu]

o.0

 

 

 

 

 

I take it you disagree that Hitler was a victim of his own ignorance, anger and hate?

[malo2]

The Japanese play WWII video games.

 

 

 

The Germans just drink beer and burn copies of Mein Kampf for warmth.

 

 

 

Lulz, Mein Kampf. My history teacher last yera ranted on for a week about hitler. Its like he loved him or something.

 

 

 

:shock: :ohnoes:

 

 

 

I think it is a big mistake picturing Hitler just in a negative way. He was human to and did good things to the country to. From the movies and documentaries i saw he even was a nice person to those close to him. Also he seemed to be a very charismatic rethoric. Painting him as the devil incarnated is definitely wrong. I even think the picture of the ravaging madman is very inaccurate. He just was a very passionate person - passioate about very wrong things. You can't blame WWII on Hitler though. That would be too easy. There are many factors that lead to this war and the attrocities that happend. Hitler just was the personification of the Zeitgeist. Like every famous or infamous person is a personifaction of something. These people just represent something that is felt by many others.

 

 

 

Hitler is the perfect scapegoat. Sure he did his share, but i sincerely doubt he even killed one jew in his life. There were others who pulled the trigger. Antisemitic and nationalistic thoughts were very widely spread back then. I think Hitler just spoke out what the majority felt.

 

 

 

 

 

Your ignorance is astonishing. There wouldn't of been one time where Hitler being the leader of them all couldn't of stopped all the blood shed. He had just as much to do with the murdering of the millions of Jews and Gipsy's during the Holocaust as any other of his team under his leadership. And to then say that he didn't even kill one Jew in his life is such a naive statement to make. Its the leadership who make the decisions not the everyday soldier running the POW camps or fighting on the war-front.

 

 

 

Of course there would of been the others who pulled the trigger. Are you that ignorant you'd think that Hitler (practically seen as a God to his countrymen) would of done his dirty work by going and killing mass amounts of people at a time. Of course not, all he'd be doing is giving the orders, which is murder no matter how ignorantly you look at the situation. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

The Leaders should always be taking the blame in whats happened in History. They shouldn't be seen as the "Scapegoat" as they're the ones in the end making the final decision. Every important decision would of been either made by Hitler or by one of his officials which would of been ran past him before being executed (concerning their plans). He was an Evil and Wicked Man who's lust for power and control caused millions of innocent lives to be lost.

his ignorance isn't astonishing, you're just extremely immature. Did you even take a second to think about what he said before typing a lame [wagon] response bashing someone for no apperent reason?

 

 

 

Anyway, are you trying to tell me that hitler put some sort of a mind control device into every single german just to have his own army? No. You clearly know very little about the views of hitler and the rest of germany during ww2. It's funny that you call someone else ignorant, yet yourself are as close minded as a 9 year old not wanting to accept a view different from the one you already have. Grow up.

 

 

 

Hitlers aims were not to start a war and kill millions of jews. Even though he was a psycopath that took everything to the extreme, his aims were to propel his own country, and his allies to gratness. Every leader makes sacrifices to get the country somewhere, just hitler took that to the extreme and wanted to sacrifice the rest of the world, that was the psycotic part of him. Otherwise, he valued his people more than himself, and definetly isn't some devil with a mustache with the pure intent to destroy.

 

 

 

As for the rest of germany, according to you, they had absolutely no power over hitlers desicions as if he was some tyrant. This is where you are the one to be extremely ignorant. Hitlers power came purely from the support of the rest of the country, the only reason he moved an inch is because everybody agreed with him. The support he got was extreme, the camp workers did their job with almost more enthusiasm than hitler hiself, and the rest of germany cheered lauder than hitler spoke. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not applying this on every single german.

 

 

 

It really does seem like nobody wants to blame germans now a days, when people think of ww2, they think of nothing more than hitler, when he did nothing more than the speaking, while the detailed orders were given out by everybody around him.

 

 

 

Maybe you should read a book and learn something beyond the limits of a [developmentally delayed]ed kid, before you accuse somebody of being ignorant.

[malo2]

Probably not. The same way the US doesnt' teach their war mongering to students truthfully either

have you ever been in a us school to say that?

 

HahahAHA! The schools teach US as a good-hearted country and its only goal is to spread and protect the ideas of 'democracy'. Load of bull.

im kind of still waiting my question to be answered.

[kelem_ryu]

Probably not. The same way the US doesnt' teach their war mongering to students truthfully either

have you ever been in a us school to say that?

 

HahahAHA! The schools teach US as a good-hearted country and its only goal is to spread and protect the ideas of 'democracy'. Load of bull.

im kind of still waiting my question to be answered.

 

 

 

I guess the media teaches

US as a good-hearted country and its only goal is to spread and protect the ideas of 'democracy'. Load of bull.

rather then the schools.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ty, Malo, btw that:

 

It really does seem like nobody wants to blame germans now a days, when people think of ww2, they think of nothing more than hitler, when he did nothing more than the speaking, while the detailed orders were given out by everybody around him.

 

was about my point.

 

 

 

The problem is that guilt and blame is something really heavy to us. Nobody wants to be guilty, so we try to blame anybody except us. Imo it has something to do with our religion, where guilt and sin is looked down upon extremey strong. (I don't want to go into more detail on this subject right now.)

[Guest]

 

Hitlers aims were not to start a war and kill millions of jews. Even though he was a psycopath that took everything to the extreme, his aims were to propel his own country, and his allies to gratness. Every leader makes sacrifices to get the country somewhere, just hitler took that to the extreme and wanted to sacrifice the rest of the world, that was the psycotic part of him. Otherwise, he valued his people more than himself, and definetly isn't some devil with a mustache with the pure intent to destroy.

 

 

 

I do actually know that he valued his people more than himself and agree with most of what you said. Though him invading other countries while wipeing out millions of people on the back of his decisions doesn't make him some evil man? I can see this is a case between the views I've learn't in my section of the world and your views. Though I'm happy to know the majority of the world would agree with my views.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the rest of germany, according to you, they had absolutely no power over hitlers desicions as if he was some tyrant. This is where you are the one to be extremely ignorant. Hitlers power came purely from the support of the rest of the country, the only reason he moved an inch is because everybody agreed with him.

 

 

 

Of course the rest of his country gave their backing to the war, though the decisions fall upon him. Its not up to the ordinary German living in Bayern (or wherever) to make the decision. They weren't the ones who made the decision to invade.

 

 

 

 

 

The support he got was extreme, the camp workers did their job with almost more enthusiasm than hitler hiself,

 

Feel free to give a source instead of just stating your opinion as fact. I'll happily admit that I was wrong if you can give me fact, but I doubt that the camp workers we're as you state it to be. Especially after WW1. Though I'm always open for correction (to fact that is).

 

 

 

 

 

It really does seem like nobody wants to blame germans now a days, when people think of ww2, they think of nothing more than hitler, when he did nothing more than the speaking, while the detailed orders were given out by everybody around him.

 

 

 

For Heaven sake. Learn to read you idiot, before you try to flame me on a fake account. I said that the people around him (his committee - or whatever you choose to call it) should get the blame as well (as what has happened). Its the ordinary person on the street getting the blame, that I was so opposed to (they don't make the final decisions). Of course most of the German people would of supported the war, but that was also due to fear in a number of cases. The leader overall should always get the most blame regardless. Its like that in all facists of life, whether it be a positive or negative circumstance.

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe you should read a book and learn something beyond the limits of a [developmentally delayed] kid, before you accuse somebody of being ignorant.

 

 

 

I've actually studied WW2 a number of times and have learnt about German culture for the last 5 years. But it seems to me that you've probably based your assessment on a book you've read. So you'd know right? :uhh:

 

 

 

Anyway I'd probably also put it down to cultural differences. I know that what you'd get taught about the war would vary greatly depending on who/what was teaching you and where you live.

[kelem_ryu]

Eels, your concept of "evil person" is silly imo. Hitler thought jews to be a menace to society. He also applied Darwins ideas to cultures. So everything he did happend to his best knowledge and conscience. He thought he would be serving the greater good (at least for his country). He was an idealist and a visionary and stood for what he believed in.

 

 

 

Incidently many people hated Jews, or at least disliked them, or were plainly jealous of the wealthy ones. Also the national pride was given a severe blow in form of WWI. Besides that the economy was in a deep crisis. It all fit together so very neatly.

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong - Hitlers ideas were horrible, but there was at least as much good in him as in every other person. I think it would be important to find out what casused all those ideas, in order to really understand all about WWII and what happend during it. Blaming everything on the boogieman in shape of Hitler is just silly. Sure he was responsible for much of the misery, but imo it's stupid to just see: "Okay, who is responsible for the mess? I want his head!" Sometimes i really have the feeling responsibilities are just there, so that everybody knows who to blame in case something goes wrong. Does blaming somebody help in any way ever?

[Guest]

Eels, your concept of "evil person" is silly imo. Hitler thought jews to be a menace to society. He also applied Darwins ideas to cultures. So everything he did happend to his best knowledge and conscience. He thought he would be serving the greater good (at least for his country). He was an idealist and a visionary and stood for what he believed in.

 

 

 

Hitler was an incredibly smart man and knew what he had to do to achieve his goals. Being an educated man he would of in no way not known the horror in making the decisions to go door to door and find the Jews living in Europe and send them off to their death bed in concentration camps. There is no doubt that someone with so much intelligence could think that was a dignified (for the greater good) thing to do. Not even an idiot would surely say otherwise. One thing you don't take into consideration in your rashful thinking is that; Power Corrupts. Enormously. Hitler was an incredibly intelligent man who had wonderful communication skills. A man with that much intelligence shouldn't be seen like you're portraying him - someone who is incapable of knowing that what he caused in WW2 was inhumane (to say the least). Saying otherwise is incredibly ignorant. Really it is. Unless your a Jap or German and would defend your countries position to death - which shows a greater degree of ignorance.

 

 

 

 

 

Incidentally many people hated Jews, or at least disliked them, or were plainly jealous of the wealthy ones. Also the national pride was given a severe blow in form of WWI. Besides that the economy was in a deep crisis. It all fit together so very neatly.

 

 

 

Correct. Does that make his decisions and atrocities in WW2 acceptable? I don't have to answer that question.

 

 

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong - Hitlers ideas were horrible, but there was at least as much good in him as in every other person.

 

You must have an incredibly pessimistic view on society if you think someone like me (an ordinary person) would have as much love for others as Hitler. He ordered Jews to death for Heaven's sake! Millions of them! And pursuing his own personal goals of world domination isn't "love" even if he believed it was for the good of his country. The man was corrupt with power (read about the Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe). Power Corrupts and Hitler was an extreme case of that.

 

 

 

 

 

Sure he was responsible for much of the misery, but imo it's stupid to just see: "Okay, who is responsible for the mess? I want his head!"

 

The man's dead. Your argument isn't even valid and rather narrow-minded.

 

 

 

Sometimes i really have the feeling responsibilities are just there, so that everybody knows who to blame in case something goes wrong. Does blaming somebody help in any way ever?

 

 

 

The leaders gets blamed always when something negative happens. The leader gets congratulated always if something positive happens. And rightly so, its because of their decisions that either a negative or hopefully a positive outcome eventuates. That's why, believe it or not, we have leaders in society to make the crucial decisions for us, and therefore they're the ones who are to blame or congratulate depending on the outcome. You'll realize this when you grow up.

 

 

 

By the way, its not a blame game anymore its more than that. People need to know why the war started who was at fault and the atrocities that occurred during that period due to the people making the decisions. Therefore the information is there to inform and stop such things happening ever again in the future.

[ChickenLover]

I am from ireland and I know you want to hear from german and japanesse people but I want to give my point.

 

 

 

I have a German friend and they are really sorry and when they learn about it they are very remorseful. But then I dont know about Japan but they as sure as hell hate you americans for what you did to them. Even today they are suffering from the nukes, from malformaties to cancer. If they are bitter, I can emphathize.

[haggisoflife]

In history classes (of Germany and Japan), do they teach (extensively) on WWII and WWI? I've heard rumors that they just gloss over the nasty parts, dont teach about the Holocaust, and generally "skip" it.

 

 

 

I don't believe this, but is there any truth in that?

 

 

 

I'm just wondering. Dont be offended.

 

 

 

I wouldn't say they went into too much detail but at my school (UK) they did tell us about the basics of the Holocaust. Not heard about anyone missing those bits out but I guess part of it depends which bit of WW2 your studying.