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If mankind is going to survive we have to at least TRY!



This is my point, for example, Global Warming is a major issue and we all need to try to do our best to curb our energy use. No amount of praying will get rid of global warming, we have to do it ourselves.




Unless something out of our control happens like a massive meteor hits the earth and wipes out the human race or a new virus forms with no cure then we will all survive for millenia to come.



Global warming ISN'T a problem, the air is made up of about 0.03% of co2 so all this crap about recylcling every little thing and do everything to reduce the amount of co2 you produce is total crap. Think about the hypocrisy aswell there flying around in private jets with a few people on board all over the world all the time, couldn't they just go business class?
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Unless something out of our control happens like a massive meteor hits the earth and wipes out the human race or a new virus forms with no cure then we will all survive for millenia to come.



Global warming ISN'T a problem, the air is made up of about 0.03% of co2 so all this crap about recylcling every little thing and do everything to reduce the amount of co2 you produce is total crap. Think about the hypocrisy aswell there flying around in private jets with a few people on board all over the world all the time, couldn't they just go business class?




Erm a meteor wouldn't exactly curb global warming :<img src=:' />



Some Physics: CO2 whilst being a small percentage of the atmosphere, is a well mixed gas. This means you can find it permeating the whole atmosphere, unlike for example Ozone which is found almost only in a layer at the top of the atmosphere. And just because its a small percentage, it doesn't mean it produces a small effect. Everything adds up. A flask of CO2 absorbs more infra-red light (heat) which is then re-released to the surroundings than a flask of ordinary air would. Its not just CO2 that contributes, Methane is highly warming, and water vapour is also a very powerful greenhouse gas.



Take for example one day, the extra amount of heat absorbed by the extra CO2 will be tiny, but not enough will escape into space at night (when the half the earth faces away from the sun) before the next day arrives, so a slightly warmer atmosphere then absorbs slightly more heat, adding and adding, more warming then creates more evaporation, adding to the effect.



Rain would normally wash CO2 out of the atmosphere given enough time, but we aren't allowing enough time for that to happen.
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Unless something out of our control happens like a massive meteor hits the earth and wipes out the human race or a new virus forms with no cure then we will all survive for millenia to come.



Global warming ISN'T a problem, the air is made up of about 0.03% of co2 so all this crap about recylcling every little thing and do everything to reduce the amount of co2 you produce is total crap. Think about the hypocrisy aswell there flying around in private jets with a few people on board all over the world all the time, couldn't they just go business class?




Erm a meteor wouldn't exactly curb global warming :<img src=:' />



Some Physics: CO2 whilst being a small percentage of the atmosphere, is a well mixed gas. This means you can find it permeating the whole atmosphere, unlike for example Ozone which is found almost only in a layer at the top of the atmosphere. And just because its a small percentage, it doesn't mean it produces a small effect. Everything adds up. A flask of CO2 absorbs more infra-red light (heat) which is then re-released to the surroundings than a flask of ordinary air would. Its not just CO2 that contributes, Methane is highly warming, and water vapour is also a very powerful greenhouse gas.



Take for example one day, the extra amount of heat absorbed by the extra CO2 will be tiny, but not enough will escape into space at night (when the half the earth faces away from the sun) before the next day arrives, so a slightly warmer atmosphere then absorbs slightly more heat, adding and adding, more warming then creates more evaporation, adding to the effect.



Rain would normally wash CO2 out of the atmosphere given enough time, but we aren't allowing enough time for that to happen.


What no one seems to realize is global warming happens naturally. It will eventually happen and there IS NOTHING you can do to stop it.

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Unless something out of our control happens like a massive meteor hits the earth and wipes out the human race or a new virus forms with no cure then we will all survive for millenia to come.



Global warming ISN'T a problem, the air is made up of about 0.03% of co2 so all this crap about recylcling every little thing and do everything to reduce the amount of co2 you produce is total crap. Think about the hypocrisy aswell there flying around in private jets with a few people on board all over the world all the time, couldn't they just go business class?




Erm a meteor wouldn't exactly curb global warming :<img src=:' />



Some Physics: CO2 whilst being a small percentage of the atmosphere, is a well mixed gas. This means you can find it permeating the whole atmosphere, unlike for example Ozone which is found almost only in a layer at the top of the atmosphere. And just because its a small percentage, it doesn't mean it produces a small effect. Everything adds up. A flask of CO2 absorbs more infra-red light (heat) which is then re-released to the surroundings than a flask of ordinary air would. Its not just CO2 that contributes, Methane is highly warming, and water vapour is also a very powerful greenhouse gas.



Take for example one day, the extra amount of heat absorbed by the extra CO2 will be tiny, but not enough will escape into space at night (when the half the earth faces away from the sun) before the next day arrives, so a slightly warmer atmosphere then absorbs slightly more heat, adding and adding, more warming then creates more evaporation, adding to the effect.



Rain would normally wash CO2 out of the atmosphere given enough time, but we aren't allowing enough time for that to happen.


What no one seems to realize is global warming happens naturally. It will eventually happen and there IS NOTHING you can do to stop it.




I know global warming happens then it cools down then it heats up, it is just a massive cycle that the goverment and newspapers forget to mention.



My favorite book (the genral book of ignorace) says that the fumes out of a car's exhaust create ozone when it is mixed with sunlight, so go forth people and drive your cars cos you are repairing the ozone layer! :lol:



I didn't say a meteor would help with global warming.
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My favorite book (the genral book of ignorace) says that the fumes out of a car's exhaust create ozone when it is mixed with sunlight, so go forth people and drive your cars cos you are repairing the ozone layer! :lol:




That's absolute rubbish, low level ozone never makes it into the upper atmosphere, thus it will never help to replenish the ozone layer. It is in fact responsible for aggravating respiratory diseases/conditions.



Yes global warming is part of a natural cycle, but you're missing the point!!! Natural global warming happens on a cycle of hundreds of thousands to millions of years, and the resulting climate change is a gradual process, giving most life a chance to adapt.



Right now, humans are exponentially adding CO2 to the atmosphere and pressing the fast forward button on the system, some species are already struggling to adapt, amphibians as a group, as well as mammals... a hotter climate favours reptilian and insect life... and we're mammals :ugeek:
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Guys, you're forgetting what thread this is :lol:



I think a Global Warming thread wouldn't be a bad idea though if you want to keep going. It's an interesting discussion, just not exactly in the right place :P



As for believing in God, I don't. I think watching Star Trek as a child led me to believe that there is a scientific explanation for everything. Even though I went to a Christian school, I never bought into it I guess.


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My favorite book (the genral book of ignorace) says that the fumes out of a car's exhaust create ozone when it is mixed with sunlight, so go forth people and drive your cars cos you are repairing the ozone layer! :lol:




That's absolute rubbish, low level ozone never makes it into the upper atmosphere, thus it will never help to replenish the ozone layer. It is in fact responsible for aggravating respiratory diseases/conditions.



Yes global warming is part of a natural cycle, but you're missing the point!!! Natural global warming happens on a cycle of hundreds of thousands to millions of years, and the resulting climate change is a gradual process, giving most life a chance to adapt.



Right now, humans are exponentially adding CO2 to the atmosphere and pressing the fast forward button on the system, some species are already struggling to adapt, amphibians as a group, as well as mammals... a hotter climate favours reptilian and insect life... and we're mammals :ugeek:

actually its cycle goes from a normal, stable temperature to a significantly hotter one quite fast, and the cycles arent hundreds of thousands-millions, its only in the tens of thousands of years, if i remember correctly, its somewhere in the 30-40's. and guess how long its been since the last major global warming event?





also, how the hell did this get so off topic?

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actually its cycle goes from a normal, stable temperature to a significantly hotter one quite fast, and the cycles arent hundreds of thousands-millions, its only in the tens of thousands of years, if i remember correctly, its somewhere in the 30-40's. and guess how long its been since the last major global warming event?





also, how the hell did this get so off topic?




You're wrong, the cycles you're talking about are Milakovic cycles and are completely to do with Earth's rotational dynamics and have nothing to do with CO2 levels. Just the earth wobbling around in space, getting slightly closer and then slightly further from the sun, completely independent of CO2 levels.
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My favorite book (the genral book of ignorace) says that the fumes out of a car's exhaust create ozone when it is mixed with sunlight, so go forth people and drive your cars cos you are repairing the ozone layer! :lol:




That's absolute rubbish, low level ozone never makes it into the upper atmosphere, thus it will never help to replenish the ozone layer. It is in fact responsible for aggravating respiratory diseases/conditions.



Yes global warming is part of a natural cycle, but you're missing the point!!! Natural global warming happens on a cycle of hundreds of thousands to millions of years, and the resulting climate change is a gradual process, giving most life a chance to adapt.



Right now, humans are exponentially adding CO2 to the atmosphere and pressing the fast forward button on the system, some species are already struggling to adapt, amphibians as a group, as well as mammals... a hotter climate favours reptilian and insect life... and we're mammals :ugeek:




I said that fumes out of the back of a car makes ozone, which is true, it making it's way up to the ozone layer was a light hearted comment.



humans do create a vast amount of co2 but it isn't effecting he planet as much as you think, if you really want to cut down on co2 then plant LOADS of alge and kill millions of termites.



Alge produces 80% of the worlds oxygen and termites produce loads of mehane which is 2 times as deadly to the ozone layer as co2 is.



Racheya is right though this is he wrong thread for this topic.
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Racheya is right though this is he wrong thread for this topic.




My fault for saying that prayer to God(s) wouldn't fix global warming....
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I read an interesting article about why Science and Religion conflict...



http://physicsworld....e/indepth/39951



It essentially rests on how you perceive science (either as a process or as a set of beliefs) and similarly how you perceive religion with the same criteria (process or belief set). And depending on how you see them, you will find them to conflict or coexist.
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I read an interesting article about why Science and Religion conflict...



http://physicsworld....e/indepth/39951



It essentially rests on how you perceive science (either as a process or as a set of beliefs) and similarly how you perceive religion with the same criteria (process or belief set). And depending on how you see them, you will find them to conflict or coexist.




Well I don't see how religion is a process though. To me it's more like people giving other people answers, about something pretty much everyone is in the dark about. Science is the questioner, which is good, but when some people question something and choose the most convenient answer (Why does evil exist? Because god isn't real.) then it isn't science anymore. It's just atheism. I believe in questioning, but when you give bold answers like that then that makes you no better than the religious folks.

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Just thought this topic should be bumped, it has tons of amazing discussion value.

EDIT: Just to make Saru happy -.-


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Goddamnit. Bump if if you have something of value to say, not because you're cool for having a big topic. This topic simply encourages bigotry, flaming, and wars in general. I really think this topic should be locked.

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Goddamnit. Bump if if you have something of value to say, not because you're cool for having a big topic. This topic simply encourages bigotry, flaming, and wars in general. I really think this topic should be locked.

Yes, because what you posted had any value whatsoever? I'm not doing it to be cool you immature goon, I'm doing it because if it has 4000+ posts obviously it was a valued topic. I don't care if you think it should be locked? That's not up to you, it's up to mods, who if you check, have posted in this thread, I really don't think they have an issue with it.

Don't post if you don't like it, it's alot easier to hit the back button then make yourself look like an idiot, at least for most people - you seem to have ease at both.

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You Sure? Quantity is not quality, we all know. And almost no debate on the internet has any value, because its very rarely sincere. Most people frankly just approval suck through the debate, saying whatever they want so they can look good in the eyes of the 'cool people.' The other side are the trolls who mess up most debates, those are the only factions, all other people simply don't bother. The reason I say it has no discussion value is not because I was 'beaten' in the debate or whatever, is because it's the same debate, someone says A statement, someone combats with B statement, A person says C statement to combat B person, and about 15 pages later two new people ask the same questions. Look the the topic, I did. It's all the same arguments over and over, the reason I said "you think you're cool" is due to your first post where you try and "answer" our questions? I may have certainly misinterpreted your meaning, but that doesn't mean I've misinterpreted this last post. Obviously you were offended because I said I disliked this topic, I hate to start a flame war but.. Grow up pretty much. It happens all over TIF, "stupid topic inb4lock" why should yours be any different? And let's compare our posts "this topic has a lot of value. bump"
My post: "this thread incites flaming, bigotry etc." I had reasons as to why I believed this topic should be locked, and mods and admins have all posted on topics that later should be locked. There have been so many fights on this thread, some of them even started/finished by yours truly, thats why I think it's best to lock the topic. Not because I believe in God, while very few other people here do, but because everything that's can be discussed, has basically been discussed. I would have been completely fine if you bumped this, with perhaps an interesting article you found showing evidence for/against God. But it seemed in my opinion, that you were simply having an ego boost (based on this topic, and many of your other posts on tif)

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First of all: cut it out you two. There's no need to rip each others' throats out over this.

Joes_So_Cool - although I understand you think this thread has some great discussion value, Saruman44 does have a bit of a point. Our policy on bumping states that you may only bump a thread if you make a valuable contribution to the discussion. Bumping just for the sake of bumping is not permitted so please refrain from doing that in the future.

That being said, rather than splitting off your bump and the replies that follow, thus sending this thread back to the dark pages, I will give this thread a chance for continued discussion. Please keep all posts after this one on-topic and flaming will not be permitted. Debate is certainly welcome but personal attacks and flaming will not be taken lightly.
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Ask yourself this.

Do you believe in Unicorns?

Do you believe in Fairies?

Do you believe in Trolls?

Do you believe in Thor?

Do you believe in Zeus?

Do you believe there is a Tea Cup in orbit around Saturn?

Do you believe in God?

These are all things that we cannot disprove the existence of, however the inability to disprove their existence does not provide any reason to believe that they exist.
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Ask yourself this.

Do you believe in Unicorns?

Do you believe in Fairies?

Do you believe in Trolls?

Do you believe in Thor?

Do you believe in Zeus?

Do you believe there is a Tea Cup in orbit around Saturn?

Do you believe in God?

These are all things that we cannot disprove the existence of, however the inability to disprove their existence does not provide any reason to believe that they exist.

That's one of the most boring and immature "arguments" over this [cabbage] there is. A real theologian debate would consider this the work of a child. Every 16 year old that wants to feel rebellious asks these questions. And none of them question anything. One could easily ask if you believe in history. Did you experience it all yourself? No, you're basing your ideas on what others have written and told you.

A good book on this matter that I'm reading now, nay, a fantastic book: The Thinker's Guide to God.

Essentially, one large essay compiling the thoughts of the greatest thinkers of the West on God, who has generally remained the same basic idea for two millenia - although, as with the Reformation, the idea of God was split. St. Thomas Aquinas was very responsible for that, as he turned Catholic ideas about God into what they are now (well, technically what the Church condones as the Catholic idea. Everyone has their own ideas) - the beliefs of Aristotle as the Philosopher's God, existing outside of the universe wholly simply (not the definition we use now) and as 100% Good (yet again, different than typical denotation).

That book has two good metaphors. One involves goldfish in a pond in a yard. Most swim around happily in their pond. One is a philosophical goldfish. He bemuses over what lies outside the pond, but cannot comprehend it because his mind is not built to understand anything but the pond. Human logic is built out of space and time. Quantum mechanics, which many believe to be the plans that have built the universe, are not built in space/time. Neither is religion.

Another regarding this childish hatred of religion by people who just wish to feel superior, also regarding the language of religion which, out of necessity, contradicts itself: Your friend gets up at 4 am every morning to go fishing. You ask him why. He says he enjoys fishing. You don't love fishing, not enough to dedicate so much time to it, but you understand and respect his love of fishing. One time, curious, you ask him just what appeals to him so much about fishing - what makes it so great. He ponders awhile, until he replies: "Fishing is fishing." This statement makes absolutely no damn sense, and yet you can probably understand what he means.

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That's one of the most boring and immature "arguments" over this [cabbage] there is [cont..] Every 16 year old that wants to feel rebellious asks these questions [cont...] Study up, guys.


Aren't you 15 anyways ?




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