Privitazing Space?

[pedm]

Do you think space should be privatized?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not really sure if I do or not because there are strong reasons on both sides.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for: If space is privitized, research would go a lot faster because there would be so many more people out there doing stuff with it. It would also save the US goverment lots of money spent on NASA (NASA is very good and I am not against it.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

against: However, if space is privatized then there is also the chance about the technology falling in the wrong hands. Also, many of the people running the groups would just be looking for money and not for getting research. Finally, I don't want to see bilboards and advertising floating around above me everytime I look up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you think about it? I suppose that one thing NASA could do is have more competitions with rewards for whoever does the best job reaching the goal or something like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PDM

[jak722]

If it is privatized, are they gonna built a fence?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Space junk is also becoming a problem up there...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well im against it anyway...

[Demeige]

we're already setting up barriers where nobody is living?

[Hulk12]

You can't really privatize it you have to think about the rotation of sattelites and such. They can't really be contained.

[jak722]

Geo-synchronous orbit ( Or watever it is called )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The satelite hover about one "place" because earth's gravity and the watever that is pulling the satelite is balanced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thus, no satelites hurdling towards our cities that spells insta-doom!

[lunchbox456]

Definetly against it, we have telescopes, but no human has ever been past the Moon(correct me if i'm wrong). If anything countries shouldx be encouraged to get a decent space program and explore space, it could bring about an age were alot of people worked together to explore something as infinete as space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Off topic: I find it sad that a smart topic like this gets minimal replies, while a thread that's to the likes of "plz hlp me get a girfrend!!11" gets tons. :roll:

[Phil]

Geo-synchronous orbit ( Or watever it is called )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The satelite hover about one "place" because earth's gravity and the watever that is pulling the satelite is balanced.

 

 

 

So the 'privatised' area in space would have to be constanly moving your saying? I can't see that happening.

[Rease]

So the 'privatised' area in space would have to be constanly moving your saying? I can't see that happening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Moving, yet not moving. The private area would be in space above certain countries, etc. We have the technology to control the orbits of Satellites, so it's not like one is going to drift into another area. I think that doing this would help control the issue of spying, no?

[goku_nazz]

Privatising space.. lol, what a joke

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No one "owns" space, it isn't even on earth. This is just another ploy for USA world domination

[Dark_Tigra]

Umm, there are already laws against this...It was made so huge companies like Nike can't take a lazer and cut a big "Swoosh" in the moon for advertisment, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I couldn't believe our race actually being so arrogant as to actually think we can start "owning" parts of space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

..Actually, I can believe it, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would honestly look into investing into space-range ballistic missles if I ever had to look up and see a big sign in space that said "Nike - Just do it!" :lol:

[goku_nazz]

lmfao.. don't be surprised, if they were allowed to they'd probably do it

[Dark_Tigra]

They would, that's why they made the law against it. There's is a rumor I heard that I'm sure isn't true that Nike actually wanted to put a Swoosh in the moon with a lazer and that's why they made the law, but I doubt that's true. :P

[goku_nazz]

Rofl that would be awesome.. they'd have eternal advertising each night and be the biggest brand in the world

[Mayjest]

someone's just read Dan Brown's Deception Point! 8)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By 'privatising space', do you mean privatising the space program (i.e. NASA) or actually purchasing areas of space? Technically it's not possible to own space, as we can only own areas of space above the earth, in relation to the earth. As the earth is hurtling through space (around the sun, and the sun goes around the centre of the galaxy, and no one's quite sure if the galaxy goes around anything or just moves), so the bit of space that you buy would stay one place, but we'd move away from it, making it a bit pointless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But privatising the space program would also not work. No NASA or the British equivalent (I know the American one but not the British one. I'm embarrased :oops: ) means no more scientific advancments. Space exporation would just become a giant fireworks display with name brands all over them. Though I don't see the reason why companies can't sponsor rockets. I think it would be quite funny to watch a rocket blast of with 'Marks and Spencer's' on the side :)

[DaN]

only one word can describe the idea of privatising space "Moronic"

[Bubsa]

We have no right to privatise space as a race as a whole, never mind the USA.

[Pete_the_Viscous]

Yeah, silly idea. I suppose they mean "space as divided into sectors with the earth as the centre" or something, as there's no way they could do it any other way, what with everything moving.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Still, even if they did it that way it's a bad idea, as everyone else said. You've just got to know where to draw the line... there's air-space, which is reasonable; you don't want people flying a few feet above your country, as they could drop bombs on you, or something. Imagine, then, if you had ground-space--you do already, to an extent; just like you have air-space to an extent. For instance, it'd be alright to say that someone down a mine is in the country he's under (ok by me, I mean); it wouldn't really be fair to say that someone near the centre of the earth (silly prospect, but work with me) is the country he's below, as he's nowhere near it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, even if they were to divide the immediate regions of space above the countries into "space-space", it would have to stop at a reasonable distance from the earth, at which it would appear meaningless. For this reason, it would be silly to consider privatising space, as people could just "go the extra few feet away" and do their spying from there.

[pedm]

someone's just read Dan Brown's Deception Point! 8)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By 'privatising space', do you mean privatising the space program (i.e. NASA) or actually purchasing areas of space? Technically it's not possible to own space, as we can only own areas of space above the earth, in relation to the earth. As the earth is hurtling through space (around the sun, and the sun goes around the centre of the galaxy, and no one's quite sure if the galaxy goes around anything or just moves), so the bit of space that you buy would stay one place, but we'd move away from it, making it a bit pointless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But privatising the space program would also not work. No NASA or the British equivalent (I know the American one but not the British one. I'm embarrased :oops: ) means no more scientific advancments. Space exporation would just become a giant fireworks display with name brands all over them. Though I don't see the reason why companies can't sponsor rockets. I think it would be quite funny to watch a rocket blast of with 'Marks and Spencer's' on the side :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol, yeah I read Deception Point like four months ago and that is what gave me the idea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, by privitizing space I ment like making NASA and the European Union privitized, and letting private companys do that (I know that the European Union was Europe's space program during the space race but I'm not sure if it is still around.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I think that it would be great for more countries to get involved in space but its not likely that a poor country is going to use its money for space when it drastically needs it down here. So yeah, I suppose that company names on rockets would be a great way to get the funding for exploring space and would allow poorer countries to explore.

 

 

 

(lol -- "Nike, we have a problem")

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry for the confusion everyone about what privitizing ment, I should have made it clearer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PDM

[VOV]

http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/

[VOV]

http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TREATY ON PRINCIPLES GOVERNING THE ACTIVITIES OF STATES IN THE EXPLORATION AND USE OF OUTER SPACE, INCLUDING THE MOON AND OTHER CELESTIAL BODIES

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Signed at Washington, London, Moscow, January 27, 1967

 

 

 

Ratification advised by U.S. Senate April 25, 1967

 

 

 

Ratified by U.S. President May 24, 1967

 

 

 

U.S. ratification deposited at Washington, London, and Moscow October 10, 1967

 

 

 

Proclaimed by U.S. President October 10, 1967

 

 

 

Entered into force October 10, 1967

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The States Parties to this Treaty,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Inspired by the great prospects opening up before mankind as a result of mans entry into outer space,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Recognizing the common interest of all mankind in the progress of the exploration and use of outer space for peaceful purposes,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Believing that the exploration and use of outer space should be carried on for the benefit of all peoples irrespective of the degree of their economic or scientific development,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Desiring to contribute to broad international co-operation in the scientific as well as the legal aspects of the exploration and use of outer space for peaceful purposes,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Believing that such co-operation will contribute to the development of mutual understanding and to the strengthening of friendly relations between States and peoples,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Recalling resolution 1962 (XVIII), entitled "Declaration of Legal Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space," which was adopted unanimously by the United Nations General Assembly on 13 December 1963,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Recalling resolution 1884 (XVIII), calling upon States to refrain from placing in orbit around the Earth any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction or from installing such weapons on celestial bodies, which was adopted unanimously by the United Nations General Assembly on 17 October 1963,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Taking account of United Nations General Assembly resolution 110 (II) of 3 November 1947, which condemned propaganda designed or likely to provoke or encourage any threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, and considering that the aforementioned resolution is applicable to outer space,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Convinced that a Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies, will further the Purposes and Principles of the Charter of the United Nations,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have agreed on the following:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article I

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The exploration and use of outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries, irrespective of their degree of economic or scientific development, and shall be the province of all mankind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, shall be free for exploration and use by all States without discrimination of any kind, on a basis of equality and in accordance with international law, and there shall be free access to all areas of celestial bodies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There shall be freedom of scientific investigation in outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, and States shall facilitate and encourage international co-operation in such investigation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article II

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article III

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

States Parties to the Treaty shall carry on activities in the exploration and use of outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, in accordance with international law, including the Charter of the United Nations, in the interest of maintaining international peace and security and promoting international co-operation and understanding.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article IV

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

States Parties to the Treaty undertake not to place in orbit around the Earth any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, install such weapons on celestial bodies, or station such weapons in outer space in any other manner.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Moon and other celestial bodies shall be used by all States Parties to the Treaty exclusively for peaceful purposes. The establishment of military bases, installations and fortifications, the testing of any type of weapons and the conduct of military maneuvers on celestial bodies shall be forbidden. The use of military personnel for scientific research or for any other peaceful purposes shall not be prohibited. The use of any equipment or facility necessary for peaceful exploration of the Moon and other celestial bodies shall also not be prohibited.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article V

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

States Parties to the Treaty shall regard astronauts as envoys of mankind in outer space and shall render to them all possible assistance in the event of accident, distress, or emergency landing on the territory of another State Party or on the high seas. When astronauts make such a landing, they shall be safely and promptly returned to the State of registry of their space vehicle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In carrying on activities in outer space and on celestial bodies, the astronauts of one State Party shall render all possible assistance to the astronauts of other States Parties.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

States Parties to the Treaty shall immediately inform the other States Parties to the Treaty or the Secretary-General of the United Nations of any phenomena they discover in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, which could constitute a danger to the life or health of astronauts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article VI

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

States Parties to the Treaty shall bear international responsibility for national activities in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, whether such activities are carried on by governmental agencies or by non-governmental entities, and for assuring that national activities are carried out in conformity with the provisions set forth in the present Treaty. The activities of non-governmental entities in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, shall require authorization and continuing supervision by the appropriate State Party to the Treaty. When activities are carried on in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, by an international organization, responsibility for compliance with this Treaty shall be borne both by the international organization and by the States Parties to the Treaty participating in such organization.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article VII

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Each State Party to the Treaty that launches or procures the launching of an object into outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, and each State Party from whose territory or facility an object is launched, is internationally liable for damage to another State Party to the Treaty or to its natural or juridical persons by such object or its component parts on the Earth, in air space or in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article VIII

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A State Party to the Treaty on whose registry an object launched into outer space is carried shall retain jurisdiction and control over such object, and over any personnel thereof, while in outer space or on a celestial body. Ownership of objects launched into outer space, including objects landed or constructed on a celestial body, and of their component parts, is not affected by their presence in outer space or on a celestial body or by their return to the Earth. Such objects or component parts found beyond the limits of the State Party to the Treaty on whose registry they are carried shall be returned to that State Party, which shall, upon request, furnish identifying data prior to their return.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article IX

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the exploration and use of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, States Parties to the Treaty shall be guided by the principle of co-operation and mutual assistance and shall conduct all their activities in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, with due regard to the corresponding interests of all other States Parties to the Treaty. States Parties to the Treaty shall pursue studies of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, and conduct exploration of them so as to avoid their harmful contamination and also adverse changes in the environment of the Earth resulting from the introduction of extraterrestrial matter and, where necessary, shall adopt appropriate measures for this purpose. If a State Party to the Treaty has reason to believe that an activity or experiment planned by it or its nationals in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, would cause potentially harmful interference with activities of other States Parties in the peaceful exploration and use of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, it shall undertake appropriate international consultations before proceeding with any such activity or experiment. A State Party to the Treaty which has reason to believe that an activity or experiment planned by another State Party in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, would cause potentially harmful interference with activities in the peaceful exploration and use of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, may request consultation concerning the activity or experiment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article X

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In order to promote international co-operation in the exploration and use of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, in conformity with the purposes of this Treaty, the States Parties to the Treaty shall consider on a basis of equality any requests by other States Parties to the Treaty to be afforded an opportunity to observe the flight of space objects launched by those States.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The nature of such an opportunity for observation and the conditions under which it could be afforded shall be determined by agreement between the States concerned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article XI

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In order to promote international co-operation in the peaceful exploration and use of outer space, States Parties to the Treaty conducting activities in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, agree to inform the Secretary-General of the United Nations as well as the public and the international scientific community, to the greatest extent feasible and practicable, of the nature, conduct, locations and results of such activities. On receiving the said information, the Secretary-General of the United Nations should be prepared to disseminate it immediately and effectively.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article XII

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All stations, installations, equipment and space vehicles on the Moon and other celestial bodies shall be open to representatives of other States Parties to the Treaty on a basis of reciprocity. Such representatives shall give reasonable advance notice of a projected visit, in order that appropriate consultations may be held and that maximum precautions may be taken to assure safety and to avoid interference with normal operations in the facility to be visited.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article XIII

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The provisions of this Treaty shall apply to the activities of States Parties to the Treaty in the exploration and use of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, whether such activities are carried on by a single State Party to the Treaty or jointly with other States, including cases where they are carried on within the framework of international intergovernmental organizations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any practical questions arising in connection with activities carried on by international inter-governmental organizations in the exploration and use of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, shall be resolved by the States Parties to the Treaty either with the appropriate international organization or with one or more States members of that international organization, which are Parties to this Treaty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article XIV

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. This Treaty shall be open to all States for signature. Any State which does not sign this Treaty before its entry into force in accordance with paragraph 3 of this article may accede to it at any time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. This Treaty shall be subject to ratification by signatory States. Instruments of ratification and instruments of accession shall be deposited with the Governments of the United States of America, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which are hereby designated the Depositary Governments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. This Treaty shall enter into force upon the deposit of instruments of ratification by five Governments including the Governments designated as Depositary Governments under this Treaty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4. For States whose instruments of ratification or accession are deposited subsequent to the entry into force of this Treaty, it shall enter into force on the date of the deposit of their instruments of ratification or accession.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5. The Depositary Governments shall promptly inform all signatory and acceding States of the date of each signature, the date of deposit of each instrument of ratification of and accession to this Treaty, the date of its entry into force and other notices.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6. This Treaty shall be registered by the Depositary Governments pursuant to Article 102 of the Charter of the United Nations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article XV

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any State Party to the Treaty may propose amendments to this Treaty. Amendments shall enter into force for each State Party to the Treaty accepting the amendments upon their acceptance by a majority of the States Parties to the Treaty and thereafter for each remaining State Party to the Treaty on the date of acceptance by it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article XVI

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any State Party to the Treaty may give notice of its withdrawal from the Treaty one year after its entry into force by written notification to the Depositary Governments. Such withdrawal shall take effect one year from the date of receipt of this notification.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article XVII

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This Treaty, of which the English, Russian, French, Spanish and Chinese texts are equally authentic, shall be deposited in the archives of the Depositary Governments. Duly certified copies of this Treaty shall be transmitted by the Depositary Governments to the Governments of the signatory and acceding States.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IN WITNESS WHEREOF the undersigned, duly authorized, have signed this Treaty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DONE in triplicate, at the cities of Washington, London and Moscow, this twenty-seventh day of January one thousand nine hundred sixty-seven.

[pedm]

Nice.

[ford_rule]

ummm old news? anyone hear heard of the ansari x-prize, spaceship one? yeh well anyway

 

 

 

a company offered a 10 million prize to the first private organisation to fund and and build there own space craft capable of being re-used within a week.

 

 

 

and it has happened, a privatley designed and funded spaceship successfully went into space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/xprize_full_coverage.html

[goku_nazz]

Unveiling of Jagex's latest plans...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BlueLancer]

That's just a moral/ethical issue, there's nothing that can really stop humans from exploiting other planets or the space. If they found massive oil or mineral reserves on Jupiter, the next day they'd be there drilling and mining. I wish a feudal lord from outer space owned those planets and when the arrogant humans go there, he'd bring out his underground army and smite them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Humans should stick to what they share their history with; the Earth. It's really weird to decide who should be able to benefit from other planets and who should not. In the end it'll probably be just america or possibly europe getting all the rewards while other countries and continents are left with nothing.

[Mercifull]

Unveiling of Jagex's latest plans...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/fl3xy/Runescape/c64fdf43.png

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought jagex must have had something to do with what was in the sky last night.