klankaos Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Everyone's heard on the news about the trial of Robert Pickton. For those of you that haven't, here's the story. Robert Pickton was a pig farmer from Port Coquitlam. He was charged with twenty-six counts of first-degree murder. He was accused of luring women from a poor section of Vancouver to his farm and murdering them with his pig-slaughtering equipment. (Gruesome, eh?) As of today, the jury has charged Pickton on the first six counts of murder. After eight days of deliberation, which surprised many who thought it was a cut-and-dried case, and over ten months of courtroom time, the seven men and five women of Pickton's trial came to a decision over the first trial, which only included the first six counts of first-degree urder he was charged with. The remaining twenty will be tried at a later date. The jury came to the decision that Pickton was guilty on six counts of second-degree murder. Many believe that it was obvious Pickton had killed the women. However, the defence managed to shed doubt on one of the Crown's main witnesses, and so the jury were forced to convict on a lesser crime. The jury refused to make a recommendation on Pickton's sentence, where they could have recommended he serve his full twenty-five year sentence without parole. (The other end of the scale was ten before eligible for parole.) Robert Pickton will be sentenced for these murders on Tuesday morning. He will be tried on his remaining twenty counts of murder at a later date. Now, I think Pickton should have been sentenced on all six counts for first-degree. However, obviously the jury isn't me. I know many share my views - a professional from Vancouver who had worked with many of the women who were killed has said that Pickton deserves to be given life without parole, and the seventeen "witness impact statements" given indicate huge emotional stress on those close to Pickton, the women who were murdered or those with close ties to anything involved with the trial. Each of the witness impact statements was emotional, and nearly every one was against Pickton. The statements do not have an impact on the verdict, merely the sentencing. The full story can be viewed at cbc.com. Discuss. Being immature is a part of being mature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Putter Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 He'll eventually be labelled a dangerous offender, most likely. And I haven't been in law for a few years: With what he's got now, is that concurrent or consecutive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besty Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 I think it is obvious that he should be sentenced to all counts of First-Degree. However, realistically speaking, the man is 58, and 25 years in prison is basically a life sentence. That is if they sentence him to 25 without parole. Finally, when they do get around to the other 20 counts of murder, and if they do sentence him to more counts that will just add more time to his sentence. I just hope that Tuesday brings along closure for everyone involved, to some extent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Putter Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 I think it is obvious that he should be sentenced to all counts of First-Degree.Morally he should, and most would be much happier to see him behind bars for life (myself included, though I'm pretty sure he will be at some point anyway). But I am glad to see that juries still use evidence instead of moral judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besty Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 I think it is obvious that he should be sentenced to all counts of First-Degree.Morally he should, and most would be much happier to see him behind bars for life (myself included, though I'm pretty sure he will be at some point anyway). But I am glad to see that juries still use evidence instead of moral judgment. Yea thats true for sure. However, living 5-minutes from where this happened, this story has dominated our newspapers for the past few years. The media could have definitely skewed my perception of the case, but the evidence that has been provided to use through the media, the police ect. just seems so strong that I can't really comprehend how he doesn't get the full sentence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klankaos Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 Yea thats true for sure. However, living 5-minutes from where this happened, this story has dominated our newspapers for the past few years. The media could have definitely skewed my perception of the case, but the evidence that has been provided to use through the media, the police ect. just seems so strong that I can't really comprehend how he doesn't get the full sentence... I don't live anywhere near there, but my mom listens to CBC constantly, so I've had a steady diet of Robert Pickton and that other Robert guy that got tazered... I think exactly the same way. I can't see how he wasn't charged on the full sentence of 6 counts of first-degree, based on the coverage I've heard... Being immature is a part of being mature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak722 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 He isn't gonna come out of jail for these murders... So that means we can have a cage match between him and Paul Bernardo. :-k The Enrichment Center reminds you that the weighted companion cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the weighted companion cube does speak, the Enrichment Center urges you to disregard its advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 So that means we can have a cage match between him and Paul Bernardo. :-k Paul Bernardo lived in my neighbourhood :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4u689 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 I trust that the jury knows more about the case than I do. Everybody hug and spread the love :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgfuyfyuiuy0 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Wait? Were all these women hookers or something? I <3 Gears of War 2. Add me on Xbox Live and mention you are from Tif :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Wait? Were all these women hookers or something?Does that make a difference on if it was ok or not? Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgfuyfyuiuy0 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Wait? Were all these women hookers or something?Does that make a difference on if it was ok or not? I wasn't asking it like that. I was asking because I wondered how he lured all these women to his house... I <3 Gears of War 2. Add me on Xbox Live and mention you are from Tif :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klankaos Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 Wait? Were all these women hookers or something? I think they were all drug addicts, and they all lived in a poor section of Vancouver. No idea on whether they were hookers or not. Being immature is a part of being mature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinisback Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 This guy is sickening. I remember watching like a 30 min thing on him/his life/ and what he did to the woman/prositutes. He's lucky Canada is so light on things like this, I mean killed like how many? 10+ And STILL has a chance to come back and be free after 25 years? In the states he'd either get a death peantly, or Prison for life, which I think is what he should get. Argh hate this goblin --Quit--(As of December 22th, 2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besty Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 He was sentenced today. He got the 25 years until a chance of Parole. Or something along those lines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Putter Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 That seems good. It was the absolute maximum sentence he could get based on the charges. And it's not like if he gets out when he's 83 he'll be able to do much. I'm assuming he will be segregated because of the nature of his crimes? If not, there's no way he'll make it to 83 anyway. He won't make it to 59. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klankaos Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 He was sentenced today. He got the 25 years until a chance of Parole. Or something along those lines... Oh, thank god. So... Life with parole after 25 years. That's good. So, if he gets any more charges in the trial for the other twenty (which I'm sure he will), will his sentence be increased? Being immature is a part of being mature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGoddessI Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I try to view these things without emotion as horrible as it sounds... It's what we grow custom to in our society. Where someone is murdered in our country we usually want them to suffer, yet in other parts of the world where a similar thing has happened the social majority is happy to forgive and forget, with some counselling in social skills and rehabilitation... go figure. For those who are outraged just keep in mind he has 20 cases left to go and agreeing with what Mad has so cleverly said, I trust the people on the bench that day know more than I do. The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besty Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 They aren't sure if they are going to charge him with the other 20 charges. I've heard different stories. The reason they wouldn't is that they have spent so much money getting these 6 charges, when he is basically set for life. They don't want to spend anymore money, so they may not charge him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klankaos Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 They aren't sure if they are going to charge him with the other 20 charges. I've heard different stories. The reason they wouldn't is that they have spent so much money getting these 6 charges, when he is basically set for life. They don't want to spend anymore money, so they may not charge him. I wondered about this, myself. If he's in until he's 83, why bother trying him on twenty more charges? Honestly, were I able to, I would not. It's a waste of time, taxpayers' money and the lives of the witnesses, the families of those murdered, and the jury in particular, who don't get paid enough and could lose their business if they own a small one because of jury duty. If they don't, I'll be just as happy. Being immature is a part of being mature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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