This is Not Constructive

[Lady_Shahdie]

Disclaimer: This is my take on the matter and may not represent the views of other RuneScape players. If you disagree with any of my comments, you are entitled to that, but please post a constructive rebuttal in response of them and keep the response within forum rules. Thank you.

 

 

 

Hello all. I am not what you would all call a rant poster and I mostly enjoy utilizing the Tip-it forums to post my progress as far as my skilling goals...the recent updates and the amount of steam they have caused however, have motivated me to post my small opinion.

 

 

 

RuneScape experienced a drastic change this week. The uproar has caused many dear friends, pk veterans, long time members, and various others to quit. Even though I agree with the steps Jagex took, such losses are sad and I feel shamed to see. However, I am not shamed by those who bash such people (like myself) who agree with the updates or the efforts Jagex made.

 

 

 

The means that have been implimented to exclaim such displeasure are atrocious. Riots, the less graceful goodbye posts, and the coining of ridiculous phrases "no pk, no pay" or "no killing, no billing" do not achieve anything constructive.

 

 

 

For those who are doing it to proclaim the end of RuneScape and their cancelation of membership or play...your rioting is only ruining the game experience for those who still wish to play (and if you are doing such things to achieve that goal...that's more than sad). For those who are doing it to radically bring RuneScape to a former glory...Jagex gave you a means to do so, constructive criticism through the forums (any other means will not adhere any attention by the company).

 

 

 

Now on the other hand, those who agree with the updates but are just antagonizing or belittling these people...this is also not constructive. For those who are gleeful with the desimation of pures and demonizing pkers...they simply enjoyed the game in a different way than you and you have no right to claim they abused the combat system. Also, the stereotyping of what kind of person a pure was must stop (ie. assuming their mental capacity, name calling, etc). By doing any of these things, you are are just feeding fire to flames and not being helpful members of the RuneScape community.

 

 

 

All in all, whatever kind of player you are/were, we must be shoulders that each other can lean on. Whether Jagex is a game company that truly cares about their players or not...we the gamers must show compassion for our fellow player. This is what will truly keep RuneScape going strong and allow it to continue to evolve into a great game as well as continue to grow as a great community.

 

 

 

Thus ends my rant. Feel free to share your opinions below.

[Fairness]

So true. And my pet peeve is "all my money/work is lost, waah waah" NO WAY. You were entertained before, or you wouldn't have played - it just finishes now. (If you quit, that is) I share many of the opinions of the whiners and hate the update from the bottom of my heart but there is a difference between angry players and idiots.

[Solidus_77]

Totally agreed. I'm really not disgusted with the way that people have chosen to express their point of view. Not that I had any high expectations, but the riots are just adding oil on the fire.

 

 

 

Wanna make a difference in the updates? stop coming up with geeky analogies and try EXPLAINING your point of view to Jagex. Are you trying to tell them that you hate the update? yeah you made that clear. But WHY? nobody has cared to explain WHY they hate the update and that is really why I have little respect for the rioters.

[Bxpprod]

More importantly, if you don't like the updates. Don't pay (for members), or don't play at all.

 

 

 

Less money will make them rethink...

[CaJ]

I could certainly care less what Jagex does from this point on. My time is done and I have better things to do than to go watch them water down this game more and more until it is hardly even playable.

 

 

 

And unlike most people here I started on Runescape Classic, which is when I felt that the game was at it's peak. Now I can't even log onto there anymore to explore or to just have fun. It's stupid rules like the 6 months of activity (if you were gone then you won't be able to log onto Classic) that removes one step from having a great and wonderful experience.

[kasai_ryuu]

Ahem. I completely agree with you and this is what I've been feeling. It's almost like there's now a war between players and that's the last thing we need is people fighting each other. It was also one of the reasons why I didn't play for about three days was because of the "atmosphere" of the place if you want to call it.

 

(Of course.. catching up with finals and such was another. but meh.)

[Bauke]

Mostly it's just kids ranting about something they don't even understand the meaning of. One nub shouts "no pk no pay" and the rest just repeats that. I hope they all quit because it's those people that make the RS community horrible as it is.

[vilageidiotx]

stop coming up with geeky analogies and try EXPLAINING your point of view to Jagex. Are you trying to tell them that you hate the update? yeah you made that clear. But WHY? nobody has cared to explain WHY they hate the update and that is really why I have little respect for the rioters.

 

 

 

A lot of people have made it clear why, sadly we are being drowned out by the people who just rant to rant, or are ranting nastily.

 

 

 

The wilderness is something i would have difficulty standing up for, because i never cared about it to be honest. Pking has never been for me. However, it was a major portion of the gameplay. Taking it out seems... illogical. I don't know much about the new wilderness, so i really can't elaborate, but from the number of ranters, i can only assume it is no improvement.

 

 

 

My peave is with the trading restrictions. They are uncalled for, as simple as that. I have kept a tight network of friends since day one, all of us having different approaches to the game and being at different points skill wise, therefore have helped each other quite a bit. Most of this help has been through trading of items in extremely unbalance trades. I know a lot of other people who have done the same. To top that, i had a lot of help from just random players when i started out. I have always liked the idea of returning the favor by helping new players out. A lot of the time this is through trades that are unbalanced, and though a single trade doesn't usually exceed the 3k limit, a drop party i might hold in areas with new players would.

 

 

 

Though unbalanced trading is definetly not essential to the gameplay, it is essential to the community. I would go as far to say unbalanced trades is the glue that holds the community together (sorry for the analogy). It is evident that the runescape community hanging by a thread as it is, this will kill one most pleasant parts of it.

 

 

 

It would be fine, if there was a equal purpose, but there is not. Real World Traders are bad, i will not deny this. There bots and goldfarmers clog our resources, and hurt out economy. However, their damage to our economy is only a slight annoyance, and the clogging of resources is, though more of a annoyance, not as bad as a dead community. The thing about it is, the Real World Traders are not going to give up without a fight, since they are getting one of the number one motivators on earth, money. They will find another thing to sell. Might be characters, which will increase the amount of clogging at our resources. Might just trade money slowly, unlikely, but money is involved, so who knows.

 

 

 

In the end, we get an adapting group of Real World Traders, and a bleeding community, slashed by lack of unbalanced trades and the departure of our friends. That pretty much sums up why these recent updates are negative. I'm pretty sure jagex knows this, they have asked for quite a bit of feedback, which is good. I don't hate them for their mistake, and the sane of us ranters don't hate you guys who support these updates, we are all entitled to our opinions.

[Fey_Warrior]

Hi Lady_Shahdie,

 

 

 

I do offer my sincere thanks for expressing a view that has sadly been trodden afoot in the days since our games transmogrification from what it was to what we have merely few days later.

 

 

 

In the days since these updates that have indeed turned parts of the game upside-down (and removed whole sections of game-play), the community has been riven further by these disputes and sadly this has soured things at time when we most need a spirit of generosity among players. I agree further bitterness does nothing but foster further bitterness which serves no purpose and achieves nothing but making everyone more miserable. It's a vicious cycle many have tired of already.

 

 

 

Though some may still feel antipathy towards old in-game enemies, the reasons for this have been now removed from the game. Though this loss saddens me since I did enjoy the Wildy as it once was. However, I realise too, there is now no reason for Skillers to hate Wildy PvPers (ex-PKers) or vice-versa; such old antipathies are redundant. Further enmity only scours open wounds and serves no purpose.

 

 

 

It's now time to start building a parts of the game a new. I hope those that PvPers that choose to remain will help join efforts to construct ideas, and put in legitimate claims for the new areas for PvP the likes no MMO has seen.

 

 

 

I do hope even those who did not ever use the Wilderness do realise that PvPers have suffered the loss of big parts of their game-play, and that they too are supportive of any endeavour to get new content to replace what's now gone. For even Jagex admits, what PvPers have now is not perfect and needs our ideas for it to to be improved. There is much work to be done.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Fey.

[Solidus_77]

A lot of people have made it clear why, sadly we are being drowned out by the people who just rant to rant, or are ranting nastily.

 

 

 

If any, then it must be just a few people because this is the first coherent explanation.

[Plugpoint]

The wilderness is something i would have difficulty standing up for, because i never cared about it to be honest. Pking has never been for me. However, it was a major portion of the gameplay. Taking it out seems... illogical. I don't know much about the new wilderness, so i really can't elaborate, but from the number of ranters, i can only assume it is no improvement.

 

 

 

My peave is with the trading restrictions. They are uncalled for, as simple as that. I have kept a tight network of friends since day one, all of us having different approaches to the game and being at different points skill wise, therefore have helped each other quite a bit. Most of this help has been through trading of items in extremely unbalance trades. I know a lot of other people who have done the same. To top that, i had a lot of help from just random players when i started out. I have always liked the idea of returning the favor by helping new players out. A lot of the time this is through trades that are unbalanced, and though a single trade doesn't usually exceed the 3k limit, a drop party i might hold in areas with new players would.

 

 

 

I agree with the first point you made - the updates don't seem that catastrophic to me, but then I was never much of a wildy fan. I don't like what I've heard about revenants though, they've put me off going to the wilderness to mine rune, and as I'm F2P that's the only available way for me to mine it.

 

 

 

But the second point - I know unbalanced trades seem fairly stupid to some, but I think if both players have been playing for a certain number of hours and have a certain total level than this unbalanced trade thing should be abolished, but they are not "uncalled for." How can they be uncalled for when unbalanced trades are the main way that RWTers get money to the account that is buying gold? Yes, it seems a bit petty to an experienced player but why would they not put a stop to unbalanced trades? If they allowed them to continue as usual, RWTers would still function in their normal way, which would be counter-productive considering all the other updates Jagex have made. It'd be the most hypocritical thing they've done - "Here, have Lootshare, the GE, the Assist System, we'll take that wilderness but you can have Bounty Hunter. But remove unbalanced trades? Nah, they're fine..." See what I mean lol?

 

 

 

I fully agree with Lady_Shahdie's post. She found the words that I've been thinking all week but didn't really know how to say. Nice rant, Lady! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Plugpoint92 :

[highlanders]

Yep. As isolated individuals, we are weak, but as a united community, we are very powerful. Unity is the key to get Jagex to listen to us.

[Mico]

Yep. As isolated individuals, we are weak, but as a united community, we are very powerful. Unity is the key to get Jagex to listen to us.

 

 

 

Heh, JAGeX stated that they are open for ideas to improve their updates. Isn' t this the first time JAGeX is going to really listen to players?

[Solidus_77]

Yep. As isolated individuals, we are weak, but as a united community, we are very powerful. Unity is the key to get Jagex to listen to us.

 

 

 

Heh, JAGeX stated that they are open for ideas to improve their updates. Isn' t this the first time JAGeX is going to really listen to players?

 

 

 

Exactly! so go state your point of view in a constructive way instead of trying to rally up a revolution.

[Lady_Shahdie]

Glad to see many are willing to take constructive means at the moment. Fey Warrior described the issue most accurately. Drastic changes like this open up rifts in the RS community that are as old as time. As far as Jagex listening to our desires or not I cannot say...my main concern is that we remember to listen to each other and respect the views of each other. Thanks all for giving me hope that this is possible!