So a SWAT team went into a womans home, and took her 11-year-old boy, and than told her that her "Rights" were "only in the movies" that she did not have any.

 

 

 

[hide]The mother of an 11-year-old boy abducted by SWAT team members and taken to a hospital after he was bruised while horsing around is warning members of her community of the "Nazi" tactics she endured, including a statement from the officers that her "rights" were "only in the movies."

 

 

 

The case involves Jon Shiflet, who injured himself while trying to grab the handle of a door on a car his sister was driving. He slipped and fell to the pavement, hitting his head. His parents treated him for the injury and rejected paramedics' demands that they be allowed to take him to a hospital.

 

 

 

Nearly 36 hours later, SWAT team members broke into the family home in western Colorado near New Castle and took Jon to a hospital, where a doctor said the family should keep ice on his bruise, exactly the treatment the family already had been providing.

 

 

 

Tina Shiflett, Jon's mother, has written a letter to the editor to a local newspaper, the Post Independent, "to awaken, alert and appall any who read it and hear the bells ringing."

 

 

 

"A fully armed SWAT team broke into our home, slammed my children to the floor face down with their hands behind their backs and shoved a gun in my daughter's face and handcuffed herÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ" her letter said.

 

 

 

In a separate letter to WND, she elaborated a little more fully

 

During the attack, she wrote, "One (officer) grabbed my daughter Beth (18 years), who also had a gun to her face, slammed her down and kneed her in the back and held her in that positionÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ My sons Adam (14) and Noah (only 7) lay down willingly, yet they were still forced to put their hands behind their backs and were yelled at to keep their heads down.

 

 

 

"My daughter Jeanette was coming out from the back bedroom when she was grabbed, drug down the hallway, across a couch and slammed to the ground," she said. "The officers then began throwing scissors and screwdrivers across the room (out of our reach, I suppose) and going through our cupboards.

 

 

 

"I asked if I could make a phone call and was told, 'no.' My daughter asked if that wasn't one of our rights. The reply was made, 'That's only in the movies,'" she told WND.

 

 

 

It was some unidentified person, possibly a paramedic who had been refused permission to take Jon Shiflett to the hospital as she wanted, who provided information last week that convinced a magistrate to issue a court order that Jon be taken into state custody and examined by a doctor.

 

 

 

He was taken by SWAT team members dispatched by the sheriff to the family's home at 11 p.m. at night, and they punched a hole in the front door and held guns on other children in the family in order to take Jon.

 

 

 

"The armed men in black masks took my terrified son against his wishes to Grand River Hospital, where he was examined by a doctor and interrogated by Social Services. No evidence was found that he had not been properly taken care of. Upon his return, we were told to keep ice on his head," Tina Shiflett's letter to the editor said.

 

 

 

"To the SWAT Team members ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ how far will you go in 'just doing your job?' If you feel no guilt busting into an innocent family's home, traumatizing young children and stomping the security found therein, will you follow more horrific orders?" she wrote.

 

 

 

"May I remind you that in Nazi Germany, outrageous, monstrous crimes were committed by soldiers 'just doing their job?' What will be next? Where will this stop?" she wrote.

 

 

 

"Fathers, mothers, families and countrymen, I challenge you to consider our story and ask yourself the question, 'If this were my family, what would I do?' For it very well could be you ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ next!"

 

 

 

Garfield County Sheriff Lou Vallario told WND he simply ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

 

 

 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=59616

 

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Well, just goes to show what the world is like.

 

 

 

For a fact, you CAN refuse medical treatment, the person in question here WAS no threat, and who the hell shoves a gun into a girl's face when she is clearly no danger? We need them to sue for this, after all, they didn't read the rights, therefore did not follow proper procedure.

 

 

 

These people need to be shot.

That makes me sick.

And some people still don't know why many normal people don't trust policemen.

Whats worse, Ji, is that they were in a group.

 

 

 

I thought it was at least 2 to make them follow procedure.

Whats worse, Ji, is that they were in a group.

 

 

 

I thought it was at least 2 to make them follow procedure.

 

 

 

All I know is, that in my country the policemen would be the real perpetrators and a judge would have them suspended, and in worst case jailed for assault on human rights.

 

 

 

Give some people a uniform and a badge, not even necessarily a gun, and they become total [puncture]s. :roll:

I don't see why they didn't take the kid to the hospital in the first place if a paramedic recommended it. Sure in this case it turned out he didn't need any special medical help, but what if he suffered some sort of brain damage from the injury?

I don't see why they didn't take the kid to the hospital in the first place if a paramedic recommended it. Sure in this case it turned out he didn't need any special medical help, but what if he suffered some sort of brain damage from the injury?

 

 

 

A lot of parents are over protective of there kids, maybe she preferred that he stayed at home.

What a [beep].

 

When your arrested you only have 3 rights.

 

And that this was 100% legal. They don't know what they're going in to? for all they know the woman could be a gun wielding mad man. This will teach her that if your kid sustains a head injury they MUST go to hospital/doctors.

What a [beep].

 

When your arrested you only have 3 rights.

 

And that this was 100% legal. They don't know what they're going in to? for all they know the woman could be a gun wielding mad man. This will teach her that if your kid sustains a head injury they MUST go to hospital/doctors.

 

 

 

Are you demented? He got a bump on his head, and as far as I know, in the USA you pay for doctors treatment. That would already be a reason why not to go to the doctors just because Billy bob bumped his head.

 

Who gives a flying fluck about whats legal and not legal, its morally and ethically wrong.

 

 

 

SWAT should in this case shoot themselves for being the real "gun weilding mad men".

What a [beep].

 

When your arrested you only have 3 rights.

 

And that this was 100% legal. They don't know what they're going in to? for all they know the woman could be a gun wielding mad man. This will teach her that if your kid sustains a head injury they MUST go to hospital/doctors.

 

 

 

I agree. This is all standard procedure for a SWAT team. They can't just change their entire plans based on the situation. They have to approach them the same. They didn't know if those people were armed and dangerous. They can't just calmly stroll into a house and say "Excuse me, would you all mind obeying our orders and laying down on the floor please? We'd really appreciate it." That's just stupid.

 

 

 

I'm willing to bet any amount of money that this lady is completely over exaggerating about the kids being "thrown and slammed". And even if they were, it was probably because they didn't follow orders the first time. As far as the kids being "traumatized", give me a freaking break. This will be a distant memory for all of these kids soon. It's really not that big of a deal.

What a [beep].

 

When your arrested you only have 3 rights.

 

And that this was 100% legal. They don't know what they're going in to? for all they know the woman could be a gun wielding mad man. This will teach her that if your kid sustains a head injury they MUST go to hospital/doctors.

 

Mate, we take healthcare a damn sight more seriously than you do and even we have the right to refuse medical treatment. If it's a murder, our policemen are still not allowed to move in and even when there the situation is one of a possible gun-wielding, our police are still generally cautious about stroming into a house, when that in itself puts more pressure on the makes the situation ten times more dangerous.

 

 

 

I can't see how you can easily justify the actions here. The fact they didn't read the rights isn't particularly relevant. What they did it for strikes me as a bit more alarming.

 

 

 

These are bordering on tactics I'd expect from a totalitarian regime, not supposedly the "Leader of the free World".

Brandon, ahh yes, big men breaking into your house at a young age, then shouting at you while weilding said guns doesn't traumatise little kids.

 

 

 

Whats next? Rape doesn't traumatise women?

Brandon, ahh yes, big men breaking into your house at a young age, then shouting at you while weilding said guns doesn't traumatise little kids.

 

 

 

Whats next? Rape doesn't traumatise women?

 

 

 

So rape is comparable to loud SWAT team members? I had no idea. :|

Brandon, ahh yes, big men breaking into your house at a young age, then shouting at you while weilding said guns doesn't traumatise little kids.

 

 

 

Whats next? Rape doesn't traumatise women?

 

 

 

So rape is comparable to loud SWAT team members? I had no idea. :|

 

10 points for spotting the point of that comment. :wall:

 

 

 

When you're a fully trained child psychologist with a degree or Masters or whatever, come and tell me having a gun pointed to your face while being kicked in the back for seemingly no purpose whatsoever doesn't traumatise.

 

 

 

Until then, stop speaking like you know what's going on in their heads at the time, and be thankful you've never been in such a situation.

What a [beep].

 

When your arrested you only have 3 rights.

 

And that this was 100% legal. They don't know what they're going in to? for all they know the woman could be a gun wielding mad man. This will teach her that if your kid sustains a head injury they MUST go to hospital/doctors.

 

 

 

Are you demented? He got a bump on his head, and as far as I know, in the USA you pay for doctors treatment. That would already be a reason why not to go to the doctors just because Billy bob bumped his head.

 

Who gives a flying fluck about whats legal and not legal, its morally and ethically wrong.

 

 

 

SWAT should in this case shoot themselves for being the real "gun weilding mad men".

 

 

 

A head injury...notice the word..HEAD....your skull isn't that strong of a bone...Could have caused major damage.

 

 

 

What a [beep].

 

When your arrested you only have 3 rights.

 

And that this was 100% legal. They don't know what they're going in to? for all they know the woman could be a gun wielding mad man. This will teach her that if your kid sustains a head injury they MUST go to hospital/doctors.

 

Mate, we take healthcare a damn sight more seriously than you do and even we have the right to refuse medical treatment. If it's a murder, our policemen are still not allowed to move in and even when there the situation is one of a possible gun-wielding, our police are still generally cautious about stroming into a house, when that in itself puts more pressure on the makes the situation ten times more dangerous.

 

 

 

I can't see how you can easily justify the actions here. The fact they didn't read the rights isn't particularly relevant. What they did it for strikes me as a bit more alarming.

 

 

 

These are bordering on tactics I'd expect from a totalitarian regime, not supposedly the "Leader of the free World".

 

Unless you are arrested your rights are the same..They should have done it earlier..It is there job. And look at the exaggeration..Its way over exaggerated.

 

Seriously the child had a head injury...That needed the doctors. I don't care where you live but if you cant pay for the health care why the hell do you have the children? Being able to support a child INCLUDES health care.

I don't know and don't care what's going on in their heads because there's nothing I can do about it anyway. You also don't even know what happened because you weren't there, correct? So how do you know if this woman is completely blowing this whole thing way out of proportion? You don't so stop speaking like you know what actually happened there.

I don't know and don't care what's going on in their heads because there's nothing I can do about it anyway. You also don't even know what happened because you weren't there, correct? So how do you know if this woman is completely blowing this whole thing way out of proportion? You don't so stop speaking like you know what actually happened there.

 

 

 

Read it again. Tell me thats not exaggerated.

I don't know and don't care what's going on in their heads because there's nothing I can do about it anyway. You also don't even know what happened because you weren't there, correct? So how do you know if this woman is completely blowing this whole thing way out of proportion? You don't so stop speaking like you know what actually happened there.

 

 

 

Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

 

 

 

"I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.

 

 

 

Yeah, you should read more. They did as they were ordered from a Magistrate, in other words, I think if the family was telling lies, it would be said.

Not to take sides with the cops or anything, but Worldnetdaily isn't exactly a bastion of quality journalism and well-informed opinions.

I said the lady could be exaggerating, not telling completely lies. Even if she were exaggerating, do you think they care? It's one lady against the SWAT team unit, who do you think is going to win? And if her kids are "traumatized", then go to court and prove it. Until then, talking isn't going to do anything.

 

 

 

Ok, let's say the SWAT team decided to just walk into the house without doing anything that they normally do. Then, someone in the house maybe panicked and hurt one of the SWAT team members, what would people be saying then? "Oh, they should have followed standard procedure and no one would have been hurt!". It's ridiculous, the handle all of the situations they same, this is just one of many.

American soldiers are trained to knock and be polite in the streets and homes of Baghdad in a foreign country. I know this, I've recieved the same training.

 

 

 

American policemen are trained to bust down the doors and treat all civilians as armed hostiles. VERY VERY SIMLIAR TO THE GESTAPO IF YOU ASK ME.

 

 

 

I fail to see the logic, unless its because they consider their own civilians a greater threat than terrorists. =D>

 

A head injury...notice the word..HEAD....your skull isn't that strong of a bone...Could have caused major damage.

 

 

 

 

 

Which it clearly has on yourself.

 

 

 

Also notice, that your skull has the thickest bone in your body.. Your forehead :roll:

 

 

 

In your case it doesn't necessarily apply.

 

 

 

 

 

They probably needed more medical care, physically and psychologically after the friendly police visit, than they needed prior to the visit.

Not to take sides with the cops or anything, but Worldnetdaily isn't exactly a bastion of quality journalism and well-informed opinions.

 

 

 

Another point of exaggeration.

 

Also another point.

 

Not giving your child adequate care is child abuse.

 

Also this could have been avoided if they just co-operated in the first place.

American soldiers are trained to knock and be polite in the streets and homes of Baghdad in a foreign country. I know this, I've recieved the same training.

 

 

 

American policemen are trained to bust down the doors and treat all civilians as armed hostiles. VERY VERY SIMLIAR TO THE GESTAPO IF YOU ASK ME.

 

 

 

I fail to see the logic, unless its because they consider their own civilians a greater threat than terrorists. =D>

 

 

 

LOL i wouldn't be surprised if they did :roll: