Does Jagex Have Any Reason to Stop Junk Trading?

[Adam007]

Most of us see junk trading as a problem that jagex is probably working on fixing. But something occurred to me. Junk trading is perfect for runescape's economy is jagex's eyes. Items they want to have value but players don't want suddenly do have value as a new currency. But my main reason is over rares. They've always wanted them untradable, but couldn't officially do that. Another success of the GE (from the perspective of jagex) is that rares are now unsellable. Unless you want to trade for a lot of junk items.

 

 

 

So what do you guys think? From jagex's perspective, this junk system is working great. Do they even acknowledge it as a problem? Maybe to those of us expecting them to fix this, they have no intention of it?

[Bloodkay]

I'd like to know a few things... Like how do you know jagex doesn't like junk trading? Or that they've "always wanted rares unsellable" and that they see the G.E. as a success to having rares unsellable?

 

 

 

I personally don't care that people are using junk items as currency. It seems more of a luxury to members to me, as we don't really have any F2P "junk" items. I guess people should just start demanding purely cash for what they're selling. I know I would ;)

[Madmanpur3]

JaGex doesn't like junk trading, but they can't really do anything about it because they lack logic when it comes to most problems they are faced with.

[Robert_de_Sable]

I don't see how it's a problem at all, personally. I don't want the explanation, I've heard it a million times. It just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

[Adam007]

I'd like to know a few things... Like how do you know jagex doesn't like junk trading? Or that they've "always wanted rares unsellable" and that they see the G.E. as a success to having rares unsellable?

 

 

 

I personally don't care that people are using junk items as currency. It seems more of a luxury to members to me, as we don't really have any F2P "junk" items. I guess people should just start demanding purely cash for what they're selling. I know I would ;)

 

Some of these things people know about jagex go kind of back, so I'll explain. Jagex has stated that they never intended for rares to be expensive items, and wanted them more to be gifts that were given back and forth for free. They've said that high prices are not in the spirit of the game. It's been assumed that they've been trying to reduce their impact and prevalence in the game.

 

 

 

As for how do I know jagex doesn't like junk trading? I never said that. That's what I'm asking in this topic. We might assume they would be against it because it's become such a warped aspect to the game, but what I'm asking is maybe our definition of warped is what they've wanted all along? Maybe they want useless items to be given value?

[Bloodkay]

Ah, okay I understand now. Maybe, yes, that could be their intention.

[amitoz]

Hmm, I think without junk trading, free trade wouldn't be possible. Jagex has too few staff to correct prices as they rise and fall dramatically in this complex game.

[Adam007]

Hmm, I think without junk trading, free trade wouldn't be possible. Jagex has too few staff to correct prices as they rise and fall dramatically in this complex game.

 

They shouldn't have even introduced the GE in the first place if that's really the case. If they're purposely ignoring this problem and letting junk correct prices for them because they're incapable themselves, the GE never should have been made.

[Ouchy]

Something like Junk trading is out of JAGeX's control. They cannot stop it as it is not against the rules.

 

 

 

And too adam...you are nuts! The GE is a vital tool in RuneScape to sell/buy items. Without it then JAGeX would have to set set prices on all items, thus the economy would not move.

[Adam007]

 

The GE is a vital tool in RuneScape to sell/buy items. Without it then JAGeX would have to set set prices on all items, thus the economy would not move.

 

Did you get here after the GE was introduced? Without it, maybe, prices would just be whatever people wanted to pay?

 

 

 

RWT was a problem, but as it is, the GE is no solution. I'm not saying to get rid of the GE - just that it needs to be tweaked. It could be a great system, but there are too many things right now that aren't working.

 

 

 

Something like Junk trading is out of JAGeX's control. They cannot stop it as it is not against the rules.

 

If jagex created a system that led to junk trading, they can fix junk trading. They can change the system to lower or raise prices based on offers, not completed trades for one. But you're missing the point! Who cares if junk trading is against the rules or not? They need to stop it not because of rules, but because it's ruining trading! There's nothing wrong with offering junk to someone, but people should have a choice if they want to sell their items for junk or cash.

[Ouchy]

 

The GE is a vital tool in RuneScape to sell/buy items. Without it then JAGeX would have to set set prices on all items, thus the economy would not move.

 

Did you get here after the GE was introduced? Without it, maybe, prices would just be whatever people wanted to pay?

 

 

 

RWT was a problem, but as it is, the GE is no solution. I'm not saying to get rid of the GE - just that it needs to be tweaked. It could be a great system, but there are too many things right now that aren't working.

 

 

 

Something like Junk trading is out of JAGeX's control. They cannot stop it as it is not against the rules.

 

If jagex created a system that led to junk trading, they can fix junk trading. They can change the system to lower or raise prices based on offers, not completed trades for one. But you're missing the point! Who cares if junk trading is against the rules or not? They need to stop it not because of rules, but because it's ruining trading! There's nothing wrong with offering junk to someone, but people should have a choice if they want to sell their items for junk or cash.

 

 

 

If you had half a brain the you would see that I joined in 2006, before the Grand Exchange came into effect.

 

 

 

Free trading is not coming back. We will never have the chance to trade freely and set our prices on items due to Real World Traders.

 

 

 

Once again, Junk Trading cannot be controlled by JAGeX. They did not plan it to be what it become. If they decided to stop it then the only solution would be to sell items for cash only, which is unrealistic, which is something you would have to agree with.

 

 

 

And in your last paragraph you are making little sense. You say that they need to stop it but then you say players should have a choice on how to trade.

 

 

 

Out of curiosity, what is your idea to stop Junk Trading. Considering it is your topic and I gave my idea, then I think it is more than reasonable to ask for yours.

[Alg]

They shouldn't stop it, because they should use it, I think. Here are players junk trading as they always traded, while prices are being set by players, as they always have. The item is 'frozen' over the exchange, and the only ways to sell are with junk.

 

What stops Jagex from watching the prices that players are selling for, and adjusting the GE around them? They did it with the Zamorak Godsword, didn't they?

 

The price controls caused it, and they could probably be adjusted to fix it; better, faster responses to prices changing, and watching junk to see prices change.

 

The GE could potentially be what they originally said it would, a convenient alternative to trading face to face, instead of being seen as the thing that controls our markets. All it takes are price controls that, instead of being as they are now, able to change with players, and actually following player trade trends.

[Adam007]

 

The GE is a vital tool in RuneScape to sell/buy items. Without it then JAGeX would have to set set prices on all items, thus the economy would not move.

 

Did you get here after the GE was introduced? Without it, maybe, prices would just be whatever people wanted to pay?

 

 

 

RWT was a problem, but as it is, the GE is no solution. I'm not saying to get rid of the GE - just that it needs to be tweaked. It could be a great system, but there are too many things right now that aren't working.

 

 

 

Something like Junk trading is out of JAGeX's control. They cannot stop it as it is not against the rules.

 

If jagex created a system that led to junk trading, they can fix junk trading. They can change the system to lower or raise prices based on offers, not completed trades for one. But you're missing the point! Who cares if junk trading is against the rules or not? They need to stop it not because of rules, but because it's ruining trading! There's nothing wrong with offering junk to someone, but people should have a choice if they want to sell their items for junk or cash.

 

 

 

If you had half a brain the you would see that I joined in 2006, before the Grand Exchange came into effect.

 

 

 

Free trading is not coming back. We will never have the chance to trade freely and set our prices on items due to Real World Traders.

 

 

 

Once again, Junk Trading cannot be controlled by JAGeX. They did not plan it to be what it become. If they decided to stop it then the only solution would be to sell items for cash only, which is unrealistic, which is something you would have to agree with.

 

 

 

And in your last paragraph you are making little sense. You say that they need to stop it but then you say players should have a choice on how to trade.

 

 

 

Out of curiosity, what is your idea to stop Junk Trading. Considering it is your topic and I gave my idea, then I think it is more than reasonable to ask for yours.

 

Lay off the flaming, alright? I never said I wanted free trade back - just that the GE needs to be tweaked. Also I didn't say I wanted jagex to end the option of junk trading. They need to fix the grand exchange so it updates prices correctly so people can trade in junk or cash. Not be restricted to being forced to use junk almost exclusively for many trades.

[Ouchy]

 

Lay off the flaming, alright? I never said I wanted free trade back - just that the GE needs to be tweaked. Also I didn't say I wanted jagex to end the option of junk trading. They need to fix the grand exchange so it updates prices correctly so people can trade in junk or cash. Not be restricted to being forced to use junk almost exclusively for many trades.

 

 

 

Then why are you making a topic about Junk Trading if you're real concern is towards the Grand Exchange and the economy.

[Adam007]

 

Lay off the flaming, alright? I never said I wanted free trade back - just that the GE needs to be tweaked. Also I didn't say I wanted jagex to end the option of junk trading. They need to fix the grand exchange so it updates prices correctly so people can trade in junk or cash. Not be restricted to being forced to use junk almost exclusively for many trades.

 

 

 

Then why are you making a topic about Junk Trading if you're real concern is towards the Grand Exchange and the economy.

 

They all go together. Junk trading as a result of the grand exchange is ruining aspects of the economy.

[Madmanpur3]

Junk trading = unbalanced trading, unbalanced trading = way to real world trade, real world trade = the reason JaGex played Extreme Makeover: RuneScape Edition. Junk trading goes against what they changed the game to be, thus they don't like it. As Adam has already stated, they should make prices of the GE adjust based on OFFERS and not off transactions...if they did that then most of the GE's problems would be solved.

 

 

 

Perhaps the next game JaGex decides to play should be Are You Smarter Than A Fourth Grader?...

[bonzeben23]

jagex could probably use the ge to manipulate the entire markets of runescape. I do however sopose that they should really get there [wagon] in gear and make item sharing or cash loaning or something.

[seraphiii]

Off-Topic: The Loan system will never come in any practical manner. Items will be loaned only for show, not for actual combat as combat would leave too many loopholes available.

 

 

 

On-Topic: Junk Trading is how people can get around Draconian Trade Restriction, It's legitimate and simple, and even if put an end to, RWT will still not cease to be, there are simply too many methods.

 

 

 

If Jagex does put an end to junk trading, not only will I be amazed, but I will applaud their futile attempts to ruin RWT and create a Soviet Gielnor entirely on accident.

 

 

 

I suppose we'll see though.

[The_Maddest]

Something like Junk trading is out of JAGeX's control. They cannot stop it as it is not against the rules.

 

 

 

And too adam...you are nuts! The GE is a vital tool in RuneScape to sell/buy items. Without it then JAGeX would have to set set prices on all items, thus the economy would not move.

Stopping it would be difficult, but rendering it useless would be a lot easier. If prices for items were fixed, people wouldn't actually need to junk trade

[Alg]

Something like Junk trading is out of JAGeX's control. They cannot stop it as it is not against the rules.

 

 

 

And too adam...you are nuts! The GE is a vital tool in RuneScape to sell/buy items. Without it then JAGeX would have to set set prices on all items, thus the economy would not move.

Stopping it would be difficult, but rendering it useless would be a lot easier. If prices for items were fixed, people wouldn't actually need to junk trade

 

They still would. Every time an item comes out, it's worth multiple millions as everyone rushes to get theirs. Within a short time, it's much less.

 

Even if they can predict what to set a price at for an update, some may find a use for an older item and rush to get one (Zamorakian Spears- once people found that they could be used for Waterfiends, the price soared. Still hasn't caught up in the GE.)

[whatisup618]

Personally I hate junk trading. It diminishes the price of an item but doesn't lower the GE price which then makes that item frozen.

 

 

 

Also I dont believe Jagex is fond of it because it goes around what they have spent time (obviously not a lot of time) doing IE: Trade Limits.

[Deathmath]

Yes, in my opinion they do. Although I also agree they don't want a rares market as prominent as it is now, this could potentially cause a stock market crash messing up the economy and causing players to quit. They have a reason, but I have no idea how bad it is and how large a threat they consider it.

[Psycho_Robot]

I think junk trading is an enormous problem that's just starting to grow. Lets say someone wants to buy a top hat. Lets pretend it costs 1m in the GE, but players are selling it on the forums for 11m, 1m for the hat plus 10m worth of junk. Any player who buys a top hat on the forum comes out with a hat and 10m worth of junk. 10m is a lot, if only there was some way they could get it!

 

 

 

Lets fast forward a year or so if Jagex does nothing about junk trading. Players all over the place have millions worth of junk in their banks just sitting around, collecting dust. So now an industrious RWT site starts buying people's junk at market price in exchange for real world cash. Its the RWT mess all over again.

[CcrLyder]

Yes, they have reason to stop junk trading. Why? I'll explain.

 

 

 

Of course with the RWT updates, you can't make that many real life money anymore on RS. If you want to make money by RWT'ing on online games, RS isn't the game for you anymore.

 

 

 

There are still RWT situations that remain. There is a very rich player who had enough of RS and he's going to quit. To make his time on RS worth it, he buys all the junk of some friends for some real life money.

 

 

 

There are actually ways of "creating junk" very fast. Because of that, RWT can get another turn and it can get very bad again.

 

 

 

Keep up the good work Jagex.

[Alg]

The thing that stops RWT is just that, how many casual or free players have multiple millions in junk items lying around?

 

If what CcrLyder says actually happens, junk trading would probably be reserved for the rich... As the kinds of items that people junk trade are really just rare drops and Treasure Trail items that not many players buy.