Help with 'Magic Skill' (F2P)

[LilWalta]

Hello, my RS name is Nonochim. My Mage level is currently 62. How much would it cost me to achieve 70 Mage?

 

Thanks,

 

Thritch

[Soccerdudety]

Well, it will cost you nothing!

 

 

 

Buy 2k coal and 1k iron to start. Buy 1k nature runes, and wield a firestaff. Cast superheat ore, and make steel bars. You will actually profit, while getting smithing xp, and magic xp. Mage xp is 50k / hour, while smithing xp is 30k/hour. It will take a while, but you will draw even / profit

 

 

 

Cheers :

[asianboy7o7]

takes 5,974 alchs to 70 mage

 

 

 

or 7,326 superheats

 

 

 

id advise you to superheat as you'll receive 219k smithing exp too

 

 

 

superheat mith

 

 

 

buying all the materials and you only lose 50-60gp per superheat

 

 

 

ah dang it soccer

[Yomyth105]

These folks above me are right on the money (for the most part). sorry to hijack the topic, but i also needed help getting my magic up in f2p to 59 from 42. i just now could cast superheat and i was wondering about a few things.

 

 

 

i computed everything and i found that the least possible profit u will make from this will be in the negatives. so...

 

 

 

i was wondering at wat price would it be best to buy all of the supplies needed

 

 

 

at wat price is it good to buy:

 

 

 

nats

 

iron ore

 

and coal

[asianboy7o7]

These folks above me are right on the money (for the most part). sorry to hijack the topic, but i also needed help getting my magic up in f2p to 59 from 42. i just now could cast superheat and i was wondering about a few things.

 

 

 

i computed everything and i found that the least possible profit u will make from this will be in the negatives. so...

 

 

 

i was wondering at wat price would it be best to buy all of the supplies needed

 

 

 

at wat price is it good to buy:

 

 

 

nats

 

iron ore

 

and coal

 

 

 

all at mid really..

 

you would lose like 90gp per heat with steel..

[max_miller20]

Well, it will cost you nothing!

 

 

 

Buy 2k coal and 1k iron to start. Buy 1k nature runes, and wield a firestaff. Cast superheat ore, and make steel bars. You will actually profit, while getting smithing xp, and magic xp. Mage xp is 50k / hour, while smithing xp is 30k/hour. It will take a while, but you will draw even / profit

 

 

 

Cheers :

 

 

 

2k coal, 360k

 

1k iron ore, 99k

 

1k nats, 255k

 

total, 714

 

steel sells for 622 each so you loose 100k every time you do that

 

And there's no way you can smelt 1k bars an hour.

 

 

 

I like alching best, buy green d hide bodies and adamant plates and alch them, usually about 10-20 gp loss per alch. So about 15gp/65xp.

 

 

 

Edit: Just calced that if you super heat addy bars at mid price everything you lose 1 gp per bar.

[LilWalta]

Well, it will cost you nothing!

 

 

 

Buy 2k coal and 1k iron to start. Buy 1k nature runes, and wield a firestaff. Cast superheat ore, and make steel bars. You will actually profit, while getting smithing xp, and magic xp. Mage xp is 50k / hour, while smithing xp is 30k/hour. It will take a while, but you will draw even / profit

 

 

 

Cheers :

 

So I wont lose money if I buy 2k coal and 1k iron, with 1k nats? And smith into steel bars? I'll just make profit? Please reply to let me know if this is true? Anyone?

[ilovecardj]

You lose money super heating steel bars, that last poster was wrong. If you have 50 smithing, super heating mithril bars is a better option. Your only other option f2p is high alch, or curse but i dont recommend cursing personally. All will cost you money.

 

 

 

If you are good with movement, run back and forth to the air altar making air runes, while high alching. you will break even/make profit with a decent runecraft level

[asianboy7o7]

Well, it will cost you nothing!

 

 

 

Buy 2k coal and 1k iron to start. Buy 1k nature runes, and wield a firestaff. Cast superheat ore, and make steel bars. You will actually profit, while getting smithing xp, and magic xp. Mage xp is 50k / hour, while smithing xp is 30k/hour. It will take a while, but you will draw even / profit

 

 

 

Cheers :

 

So I wont lose money if I buy 2k coal and 1k iron, with 1k nats? And smith into steel bars? I'll just make profit? Please reply to let me know if this is true? Anyone?

 

steel bar is 622

 

2 coal=360

 

1 iron ore=99

 

1 nature rune=243

 

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702-622

 

80gp loss as today

 

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mith bar 1,083

 

mith bars as i suggested

 

4 coal=720

 

1 mith ore=177

 

1 nature rune=243

 

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1140-1083=

 

57gp loss as of today

 

thats 53 mage exp and 30 smith exp per cast

[LilWalta]

Thanks guys. =P

 

I'm currently high alching Addy Plates. I'M SAVING ALOT!

[dashund105]

How are you getting the addy plates?

 

I can never find any sellers here and on RSOF, and the GE doesn't find me buyers either.

[lifeisanMMO]

lol, i superheat steel bars for profit, except i mine half of all the coal needed

 

if you really want to make a profit on anything, you need to do some resource gathering, otherwise you will lose money

 

 

 

superheating 1k steel bars in 1 hour is impossible, believe me, i superheat 1k of steel bars at a time before selling, you have to constantly bank, its extremely annoying, boring and time consuming,

 

 

 

to break boredom, i always play a game or two fist of guthix between every 100 or 200 bars, it's not efficient, but hey, its fun and you can buy some f.o.g. items and sell for profit

[LilWalta]

How are you getting the addy plates?

 

I can never find any sellers here and on RSOF, and the GE doesn't find me buyers either.

 

Wow? So you dont find any sellers at all, or the GE doesn't find you buyers? I just buy them for medium price in GE without even going on forums or anything. They just sell quick as that.. :o

[ilovecardj]

Its not impossible to super heat 1k bars in an hour lol. I can do 1k Mithril in an hour and you bank 2x more

[LilWalta]

Yeah, It doesn't really take long. AND WHEN IM BUYING NATS THEY AREN'T BUYING! I'M EVEN BUYING FOR MAX PRICE! -.-

[Mageduckey]

I like alching best, buy green d hide bodies and adamant plates and alch them, usually about 10-20 gp loss per alch. So about 15gp/65xp.

 

 

 

On Green D-Hide bodies, you pay 10K+ to get them, then you high alch them for 4680.

 

 

 

On Addy Plates, you pay 16K+ and high alch them for just under 10K.

 

 

 

And, you can sell Steel bars for 650 easily at the GE, while only paying 75gp per iron ore, and 135-140 for coal. And let's just say that you can buy Natures for 250 (since I haven't bought any, I don't know the exact price at the GE).

 

 

 

So, 140 x 2 = 280 + 75= 355 + 250 = 605.

 

 

 

650 - 605 = 45 income per bar superheated.

 

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So, how is this losing money?

[awesome400]

Well, it will cost you nothing!

 

 

 

Buy 2k coal and 1k iron to start. Buy 1k nature runes, and wield a firestaff. Cast superheat ore, and make steel bars. You will actually profit, while getting smithing xp, and magic xp. Mage xp is 50k / hour, while smithing xp is 30k/hour. It will take a while, but you will draw even / profit

 

 

 

Cheers :

 

 

 

just a question did even calculate what u said to do

 

iron 100gp ea coal 190ea nature 230ea

 

there fore

 

100+380+230=710

 

steel bars are about 600

 

so its a 100 gp LOSS!!!

[D Jay99]

I like alching best, buy green d hide bodies and adamant plates and alch them, usually about 10-20 gp loss per alch. So about 15gp/65xp.

 

 

 

On Green D-Hide bodies, you pay 10K+ to get them, then you high alch them for 4680.

 

 

 

On Addy Plates, you pay 16K+ and high alch them for just under 10K.

 

 

 

And, you can sell Steel bars for 650 easily at the GE, while only paying 75gp per iron ore, and 135-140 for coal. And let's just say that you can buy Natures for 250 (since I haven't bought any, I don't know the exact price at the GE).

 

 

 

So, 140 x 2 = 280 + 75= 355 + 250 = 605.

 

 

 

650 - 605 = 45 income per bar superheated.

 

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So, how is this losing money?

 

 

 

Really, you're making up those numbers. 10k+ for a Green d'hide body? More like 4465gp.

 

16k+ for an addy body? 9748gp.

 

Also, you're making up those bar/ore prices. There's no free trade anymore, you know? Accurate figures:

 

 

 

steel bar is 622

 

2 coal=360

 

1 iron ore=99

 

1 nature rune=243

 

================

 

702-622

 

80gp loss as today

 

------------------------

 

mith bar 1,083

 

mith bars as i suggested

 

4 coal=720

 

1 mith ore=177

 

1 nature rune=243

 

==============

 

1140-1083=

 

57gp loss as of today

 

thats 53 mage exp and 30 smith exp per cast

[Mageduckey]

Well, it will cost you nothing!

 

 

 

Buy 2k coal and 1k iron to start. Buy 1k nature runes, and wield a firestaff. Cast superheat ore, and make steel bars. You will actually profit, while getting smithing xp, and magic xp. Mage xp is 50k / hour, while smithing xp is 30k/hour. It will take a while, but you will draw even / profit

 

 

 

Cheers :

 

 

 

just a question did even calculate what u said to do

 

iron 100gp ea coal 190ea nature 230ea

 

there fore

 

100+380+230=710

 

steel bars are about 600

 

so its a 100 gp LOSS!!!

 

 

 

If you use the right numbers, you find that you do actually make money.

 

 

 

Iron Ore = 75, maybe 80 gp

 

Coal = 135, maybe 140 gp

 

Nature = probably around 250

 

 

 

So, 75 + (140*2) + 250 = 605

 

Sell the bars for 650 each: 650 - 605 = 45 gp PROFIT

[awesome400]

Well, it will cost you nothing!

 

 

 

Buy 2k coal and 1k iron to start. Buy 1k nature runes, and wield a firestaff. Cast superheat ore, and make steel bars. You will actually profit, while getting smithing xp, and magic xp. Mage xp is 50k / hour, while smithing xp is 30k/hour. It will take a while, but you will draw even / profit

 

 

 

Cheers :

 

 

 

2k coal, 360k

 

1k iron ore, 99k

 

1k nats, 255k

 

total, 714

 

steel sells for 622 each so you loose 100k every time you do that

 

And there's no way you can smelt 1k bars an hour.

 

 

 

I like alching best, buy green d hide bodies and adamant plates and alch them, usually about 10-20 gp loss per alch. So about 15gp/65xp.

 

 

 

Edit: Just calced that if you super heat addy bars at mid price everything you lose 1 gp per bar.

 

 

 

i can superheated 1.1k bars in an hour

 

 

 

Well, it will cost you nothing!

 

 

 

Buy 2k coal and 1k iron to start. Buy 1k nature runes, and wield a firestaff. Cast superheat ore, and make steel bars. You will actually profit, while getting smithing xp, and magic xp. Mage xp is 50k / hour, while smithing xp is 30k/hour. It will take a while, but you will draw even / profit

 

 

 

Cheers :

 

 

 

just a question did even calculate what u said to do

 

iron 100gp ea coal 190ea nature 230ea

 

there fore

 

100+380+230=710

 

steel bars are about 600

 

so its a 100 gp LOSS!!!

 

 

 

If you use the right numbers, you find that you do actually make money.

 

 

 

Iron Ore = 75, maybe 80 gp

 

Coal = 135, maybe 140 gp

 

Nature = probably around 250

 

 

 

So, 75 + (140*2) + 250 = 605

 

Sell the bars for 650 each: 650 - 605 = 45 gp PROFIT

 

 

 

and how are you gonna get that hes f2p so its a 3k trade limit those are at least 25 gp off the real price of iron and 50-60gp off the price of coal

 

and no1 buys steel bars at max so that whole calc fails

[Mageduckey]

Really, you're making up those numbers. 10k+ for a Green d'hide body? More like 4465gp.

 

16k+ for an addy body? 9748gp.

 

Also, you're making up those bar/ore prices. There's no free trade anymore, you know? Accurate figures:

 

 

 

No I'm not. From the Champion Guild stores, according to Tip.It, they are the numbers I said. Now, from other players the price is definitely lowered, but then you depend on people's stocks of Green D-Hide bodies and Addy Plates (which they usually need to make to get profit from, unless they get them as drops/prizes), whereas coal and iron are always being mined/sold.

 

 

 

And I am not making up the bar/ore prices. Go check out the GE. You can sell Steel Bars for 650, easily. I just sold 600 of them for 650 per, and they sold in less than an hour. Also, the average price on the GE for iron ore is 75-80 gp, while coal is 135-140.

 

 

 

There's no free trade anymore, you know?

 

 

 

Who said anything about free trade?

[Mageduckey]

and how are you gonna get that hes f2p so its a 3k trade limit those are at least 25 gp off the real price of iron and 50-60gp off the price of coal

 

and no1 buys steel bars at max so that whole calc fails

 

 

 

You CAN buy coal, iron, and nature runes as F2P, and you're using the GE, not personal trade.

 

 

 

Also, those prices are not atleast 25 gp off for iron and 50-60 gp off for coal. I just bought/sold some not too long ago, using the GE.

 

 

 

Lastly, 650 is NOT max. for steel bars. It is a couple gp over the average/market value.

[D Jay99]

Really, you're making up those numbers. 10k+ for a Green d'hide body? More like 4465gp.

 

16k+ for an addy body? 9748gp.

 

Also, you're making up those bar/ore prices. There's no free trade anymore, you know? Accurate figures:

 

 

 

No I'm not. From the Champion Guild stores, according to Tip.It, they are the numbers I said. Now, from other players the price is definitely lowered, but then you depend on people's stocks of Green D-Hide bodies and Addy Plates (which they usually need to make to get profit from, unless they get them as drops/prizes), whereas coal and iron are always being mined/sold.

 

 

 

And I am not making up the bar/ore prices. Go check out the GE. You can sell Steel Bars for 650, easily. I just sold 600 of them for 650 per, and they sold in less than an hour. Also, the average price on the GE for iron ore is 75-80 gp, while coal is 135-140.

 

 

 

There's no free trade anymore, you know?

 

 

 

Who said anything about free trade?

 

 

 

Average price of coal is 135-140ea? The medium price on the g/e is 180ea, min is 171. That means you can't trade them for 135-140ea, even if you wanted to, unless you're going to buy them from random people every 15 minutes.

 

 

 

Also, there's an almost infinite supply of green bodies/addy plates, even at minimum price, as a lot of people make loads of them to level their crafting/smithing.

 

 

 

As for selling the bars at 650ea, that could be true.

 

 

 

Lets say we buy everything at min and sell the bars at max, 650ea.

 

Iron ore = 95gp

 

Coal = (2 x 171) or 342gp

 

Nature rune (they aren't really buyable at min, but whatever) = 230ea

 

Total = 667gp.

 

Steel bar = 650gp.

 

 

 

So even that way, you don't make money.

 

 

 

Also, medium prices for those items as of today:

 

Iron - 99ea

 

Coal - 180ea

 

Nature rune - 342ea

 

Steel bar - 621ea

 

 

 

Sorry to say it, but your figures are off. Really off.

[awesome400]

and how are you gonna get that hes f2p so its a 3k trade limit those are at least 25 gp off the real price of iron and 50-60gp off the price of coal

 

and no1 buys steel bars at max so that whole calc fails

 

 

 

You CAN buy coal, iron, and nature runes as F2P, and you're using the GE, not personal trade.

 

 

 

Also, those prices are not atleast 25 gp off for iron and 50-60 gp off for coal. I just bought/sold some not too long ago, using the GE.

 

 

 

Lastly, 650 is NOT max. for steel bars. It is a couple gp over the average/market value.

how long ago was this bud

 

 

 

lets see the ge for today

 

iron 95min 99 avg 103 max hmm looks like 25gp off for that

 

coal 171min 180avg 189 max hmmm looks like 50gp off for that

 

steel bar 590min 621avg 652 max hmm looks like 650 is close to max to me

 

note-green d hide bodys are 10k from oziach the only guy who sells those and rune pl8s

[Mageduckey]

how long ago was this bud

 

 

 

Sorry, it was only 2 weeks ago. I didn't think that they changed the GE since then. Sorry guys.

 

 

 

Hey, you can still profit, though not much. If you mine the iron ore yourself (which is a tad timeconsuming, but doesn't require a high skill and there's plenty of it around), you only pay ~602 for the resources to make one bar, and sell in for ~630. Not as much, which is probably why the reduced the sell prices and raised the buy prices. Darn change...