AGS ---- Ouch

[Mitchart]

2 days ago I said I go again for another test on the ags after my 1st one failed totally....

 

 

 

Well out of many bandos trips I managed only to get a hit of 70 on graador with the special all the others where too low. I noticed as well that even normal hits are lower than what bgs and sgs do. Strange since I thought all normal hits of gs where the same but from experience I noticed that zgs and ags lack a lot and have many low hits. This morning I tried selling back the ags to get either a bgs with full bandos and DFS + arma (for ranging) or maybe get the sgs and continue meeling.....Price has dropped and neither on lower price I cannot sell :( already lost around 10mil on this gs in 2 days :(

[999134]

2 days ago I said I go again for another test on the ags after my 1st one failed totally....

 

 

 

Well out of many bandos trips I managed only to get a hit of 70 on graador with the special all the others where too low. I noticed as well that even normal hits are lower than what bgs and sgs do. Strange since I thought all normal hits of gs where the same but from experience I noticed that zgs and ags lack a lot and have many low hits. This morning I tried selling back the ags to get either a bgs with full bandos and DFS + arma (for ranging) or maybe get the sgs and continue meeling.....Price has dropped and neither on lower price I cannot sell :( already lost around 10mil on this gs in 2 days :(

 

whats the question?

[slaytanicc]

I dont think there is any question... i think this thread is only there to warn people(as so many others has done) that AGS is not worth the money. If that is the case i think this post should be in General Discussion Forum.

[Mitchart]

I dont think there is any question... i think this thread is only there to warn people(as so many others has done) that AGS is not worth the money. If that is the case i think this post should be in General Discussion Forum.

 

 

 

 

 

yes you are totally right....I am so used to this section that I posted here by mistake :) and especially to warn others that AGS is only good as a show off or maybe to lend ...nothing more believe me. The hits I gave with SGS and BGS are far higher than AGS. Maybe with AGS you give that hit of 70 once in 200 tries.

[slaytanicc]

I am quite upset by this actually. I was gonna buy AGS but i guess ill use the money for something else...

[Wee_Man317]

To be honest i've hit 73 71 specials, with proof coming later when i get back. I haven't noticed a difference in the hits really, it's probably just bad luck.

[ultimatballr]

To be honest i've hit 73 71 specials, with proof coming later when i get back. I haven't noticed a difference in the hits really, it's probably just bad luck.

 

 

 

I would go with that as well its probably just terrible luck. For every one person (like you) that's had troubles with an AGS there is probably 3 or 4 sucess stories. Try taking it to w6 bandos (if that still exists) and see if you can out kill everyone else. I know AGS use to be king there. Don't get me wrong I am in no way a AGS fanatic. In fact I am biased against using the AGS (being a SGS fan myself) but I am just saying what I believe to be true.

[wioneo]

So can we expect another convert to the SGS coalition?

 

 

 

About the lower normal hits, you were obviously unhappy with the sword, so the bad hits stood out more to you than the good. Whats the word for that...anecdotal? Somat like that I think....

[Dire_Wolf]

I know what you mean: Out of all gs ive used BGS is the best for bandos, zamorak boss.

 

 

 

Many people say or think AGS: IS HIGH HITS. Well this HIGH HIT, is so low chance of that it stinks.

 

 

 

Ags is stupidest gs ive ever seen, it can work. But i have seen so little of it working, that it's so useless.

 

 

 

BGS= GReat at zamorak+bandos boss

 

SGS= Greatest slayer wep

 

ZGS= GREAT at sara boss.

 

 

 

Dumb ags. -.-

[wioneo]

I know what you mean: Out of all gs ive used BGS is the best for bandos, zamorak boss.

 

 

 

Many people say or think AGS: IS HIGH HITS. Well this HIGH HIT, is so low chance of that it stinks.

 

 

 

Ags is stupidest gs ive ever seen, it can work. But i have seen so little of it working, that it's so useless.

 

 

 

BGS= GReat at zamorak+bandos boss

 

SGS= Greatest slayer wep

 

ZGS= GREAT at sara boss.

 

 

 

Dumb ags. -.-

 

 

 

He's definately right about a BGS being the best for melee at the GWD(except maybe in world 6), and if I could, I would buy a bandos hilt to switch to when I went soloing...

[Dire_Wolf]

I know what you mean: Out of all gs ive used BGS is the best for bandos, zamorak boss.

 

 

 

Many people say or think AGS: IS HIGH HITS. Well this HIGH HIT, is so low chance of that it stinks.

 

 

 

Ags is stupidest gs ive ever seen, it can work. But i have seen so little of it working, that it's so useless.

 

 

 

BGS= GReat at zamorak+bandos boss

 

SGS= Greatest slayer wep

 

ZGS= GREAT at sara boss.

 

 

 

Dumb ags. -.-

 

 

 

He's definately right about a BGS being the best for melee at the GWD(except maybe in world 6), and if I could, I would buy a bandos hilt to switch to when I went soloing...

 

 

 

AGS might be good for world 6: but that is based on pure luck if you get a good drop or even get the drop..

 

 

 

Also AGS: might be great for Dueling, but i don't see someone dueling 24/7 ...

[green9090]

BGS= GReat at zamorak+bandos boss

 

SGS= Greatest slayer wep

 

ZGS= GREAT at sara boss.

 

 

I actually prefer SGS for most team bosses too- heal on the minis and you're looking at saving a TON of brew and restore. With my unicorn and SGS at Sara, I basically just didn't use any brew for the majority of the trip.

[Dire_Wolf]

BGS= GReat at zamorak+bandos boss

 

SGS= Greatest slayer wep

 

ZGS= GREAT at sara boss.

 

 

I actually prefer SGS for most team bosses too- heal on the minis and you're looking at saving a TON of brew and restore. With my unicorn and SGS at Sara, I basically just didn't use any brew for the majority of the trip.

 

 

 

I am aware of that. But look at Zamorak gs:

 

 

 

If you stop "sara boss" for 20 sec = That's saving everyone in a team from more damage. So i think ZGS beats SGS at sara

[Mitchart]

phew managed to trade ags for sgs and cash :) end of the bad drama ...I will not do the mistake of buying an ags again for sure :)

[green9090]

BGS= GReat at zamorak+bandos boss

 

SGS= Greatest slayer wep

 

ZGS= GREAT at sara boss.

 

 

I actually prefer SGS for most team bosses too- heal on the minis and you're looking at saving a TON of brew and restore. With my unicorn and SGS at Sara, I basically just didn't use any brew for the majority of the trip.

 

 

 

I am aware of that. But look at Zamorak gs:

 

 

 

If you stop "sara boss" for 20 sec = That's saving everyone in a team from more damage. So i think ZGS beats SGS at sara

 

If the team knows how to run and take care of themselves, freezing the boss won't help anything but saving run energy. If the whole team also has SGSs, then they will actually gain HP and prayer, compensating for the damage the minis do and the prayer used while fighting.

[Dire_Wolf]

The boss is very fast with attacks, even if you run pass by her (just a bit near): she can hit you. The thing is with ZGS stopping boss is this:

 

 

 

1: Everyone gets 20 sec to damage boss

 

2: Boss can't reach us in 20 sec

 

3: Saves energy as you said

 

4: Cost 38M for ZGS

 

 

 

 

 

Where SGS:

 

 

 

1: Good prayer + HP restoring

 

2: Cost 70m+

 

 

 

When ranging boss: it's HIT and run...and if your close by boss you must move a bit away from her. Cause if she goes after you when your near her: Your hit very hard.

 

 

 

As much as SGS is good it is expensive, and it does only help the individual using it: and there is a reason people bring potions.

 

 

 

ZGS: can stop one single person to get hit (As boss goes after one always), and it also gives the whole team a great opportonity to damage the boss alot. IT works excellent.

 

 

 

But if were gonna talk about things that heal: There is brews, there is guthan, there is sgs, and there is bunyip+ unicorn.

 

 

 

They either require high level or alot cash....

 

 

 

But ZGS beats >SGS at saradomin. Cause with 70M you can add around 6M more and you get two ZGS= 40 Sec of stopping boss ;)

[green9090]

Again, if everyone knows what they're doing, nobody needs 20 seconds of the boss sitting still. You should never, ever be attacked by her. That said, people make mistakes. Let's say every five kills I take a 40 from her because I was careless, and let's say that the ZGS would ALWAYS protect me from this (in reality I take much less than 40 damage every 5 kills from the boss, and when I do it's not like a ZGS would likely have helped). In five kills I get five SGS specs. If every one does a 20 (usually I do a lot more), that's 50 hp AND 25 prayer. Usually I hit at least 40 with my spec, so to be more realistic I would get 100hp and 50 prayer.

 

 

 

If you have somebody on your team who is using significantly less supplies because of ZGS specs, they need a lot more practice at Saradomin. You should not be getting hit, period.

[Dire_Wolf]

Again, if everyone knows what they're doing, nobody needs 20 seconds of the boss sitting still. You should never, ever be attacked by her. That said, people make mistakes. Let's say every five kills I take a 40 from her because I was careless, and let's say that the ZGS would ALWAYS protect me from this (in reality I take much less than 40 damage every 5 kills from the boss, and when I do it's not like a ZGS would likely have helped). In five kills I get five SGS specs. If every one does a 20 (usually I do a lot more), that's 50 hp AND 25 prayer. Usually I hit at least 40 with my spec, so to be more realistic I would get 100hp and 50 prayer.

 

 

 

If you have somebody on your team who is using significantly less supplies because of ZGS specs, they need a lot more practice at Saradomin. You should not be getting hit, period.

 

 

 

As i said, i won't change my mind #-o But you got good points there. But i guess i like stopping boss from moving (Less focus), so i find it better. It might not provide the specs from a sgs, but it cost less and stopping boss is great :)

 

 

 

But as i said it also cost 70m+ for SGS. But thanks for your comments dude, they are really good ;) But somehow i still preffer ZGS

 

 

 

I wud say they are equal cause of price+ what they do. But if i ever can afford a SGS easily i wud buy one =D>

[Maulmachine]

Again, if everyone knows what they're doing, nobody needs 20 seconds of the boss sitting still. You should never, ever be attacked by her. That said, people make mistakes. Let's say every five kills I take a 40 from her because I was careless, and let's say that the ZGS would ALWAYS protect me from this (in reality I take much less than 40 damage every 5 kills from the boss, and when I do it's not like a ZGS would likely have helped). In five kills I get five SGS specs. If every one does a 20 (usually I do a lot more), that's 50 hp AND 25 prayer. Usually I hit at least 40 with my spec, so to be more realistic I would get 100hp and 50 prayer.

 

 

 

If you have somebody on your team who is using significantly less supplies because of ZGS specs, they need a lot more practice at Saradomin. You should not be getting hit, period.

 

 

 

As i said, i won't change my mind #-o But you got good points there. But i guess i like stopping boss from moving (Less focus), so i find it better. It might not provide the specs from a sgs, but it cost less and stopping boss is great :)

 

 

 

But as i said it also cost 70m+ for SGS. But thanks for your comments dude, they are really good ;) But somehow i still preffer ZGS

 

 

 

I wud say they are equal cause of price+ what they do. But if i ever can afford a SGS easily i wud buy one =D>

 

 

 

This topic is about the AGS not saradomin god wars an why you are to stuburn to change your mind(bad attitude).

 

 

 

The ags is a fun weapon but I can't really see it doing well at world 6 bandos due to the high inaccuracy of it.

[compfreak847]

How 'scientific' were you in your tests, and how long did you test it? From using mine for a couple of days (recording hits etc.), I've found that all the godswords are virtually identical in non spec, but all are prone to 'streaks' of hits and 0s. AGS spec seems to follow this pattern, but is less accurate then the other godsword specs, which seem to have a hidden accuracy boost. People need to keep in mind that on average, an AGS only hits 7 higher, even if you would hit normally - factor in 50% zeros, and the AGS is looking punier and punier. Seriously, how much is 14 or less damage going to matter in a fight, compared to 3 more damage but a much more accurate and defence draining BGS spec. Incidentally, the BGS spec seems to have been buffed up a bit - I tried it several months ago and was less then impressed, frequently speccing 0s with 91 attack. However, I have used mine for quite some time now with 95 attack and have been very impressed with the accuracy of the special, which is considerably boosted over the standard hit.

[max_miller20]

I noticed as well that even normal hits are lower than what bgs and sgs do. Strange since I thought all normal hits of gs where the same but from experience I noticed that zgs and ags lack a lot and have many low hits.

 

You really can't say thats it just seemed like it hit less so it does. If you want to prove that you need a sample size of at least 10,000+ recorded hits with both types, and not including finishing hits. Otherwise it makes no sense that one would hit lower than the other if they provide the exact same stat bonuses.

 

 

 

Edit: Above poster is right.

[Dire_Wolf]

Again, if everyone knows what they're doing, nobody needs 20 seconds of the boss sitting still. You should never, ever be attacked by her. That said, people make mistakes. Let's say every five kills I take a 40 from her because I was careless, and let's say that the ZGS would ALWAYS protect me from this (in reality I take much less than 40 damage every 5 kills from the boss, and when I do it's not like a ZGS would likely have helped). In five kills I get five SGS specs. If every one does a 20 (usually I do a lot more), that's 50 hp AND 25 prayer. Usually I hit at least 40 with my spec, so to be more realistic I would get 100hp and 50 prayer.

 

 

 

If you have somebody on your team who is using significantly less supplies because of ZGS specs, they need a lot more practice at Saradomin. You should not be getting hit, period.

 

 

 

As i said, i won't change my mind #-o But you got good points there. But i guess i like stopping boss from moving (Less focus), so i find it better. It might not provide the specs from a sgs, but it cost less and stopping boss is great :)

 

 

 

But as i said it also cost 70m+ for SGS. But thanks for your comments dude, they are really good ;) But somehow i still preffer ZGS

 

 

 

I wud say they are equal cause of price+ what they do. But if i ever can afford a SGS easily i wud buy one =D>

 

 

 

This topic is about the AGS not saradomin god wars an why you are to stuburn to change your mind(bad attitude).

 

 

 

The ags is a fun weapon but I can't really see it doing well at world 6 bandos due to the high inaccuracy of it.

 

 

 

The poster has a AGS, and he traded it for a SGS. Is that relevant enough?

 

 

 

And i haven't change my mind about what GS is best at saradomin boss, i just think SGS is just as good.

 

 

 

Leave moderator skills to a mod.

[compfreak847]

I noticed as well that even normal hits are lower than what bgs and sgs do. Strange since I thought all normal hits of gs where the same but from experience I noticed that zgs and ags lack a lot and have many low hits.

 

You really can't say thats it just seemed like it hit less so it does. If you want to prove that you need a sample size of at least 10,000+ recorded hits with both types, and not including finishing hits. Otherwise it makes no sense that one would hit lower than the other if they provide the exact same stat bonuses.

 

 

 

Edit: Above poster is right.

 

I love it when people say "edit", but don't edit their posts

 

 

 

Yeah, my sample size is fairly large with all godswords but SGS (at least 5k hits with BGS, but under 1k recorded), but the streaks and 0 runs make it somewhat confusing when doing a small run.

[wioneo]

I noticed as well that even normal hits are lower than what bgs and sgs do. Strange since I thought all normal hits of gs where the same but from experience I noticed that zgs and ags lack a lot and have many low hits.

 

You really can't say thats it just seemed like it hit less so it does. If you want to prove that you need a sample size of at least 10,000+ recorded hits with both types, and not including finishing hits. Otherwise it makes no sense that one would hit lower than the other if they provide the exact same stat bonuses.

 

 

 

Edit: Above poster is right.

 

I love it when people say "edit", but don't edit their posts

 

 

 

Yeah, my sample size is fairly large with all godswords but SGS (at least 5k hits with BGS, but under 1k recorded), but the streaks and 0 runs make it somewhat confusing when doing a small run.

 

 

 

Actually the little editing time tag doesn't pop up if you edit it quickly enough.

 

 

 

EDIT:Completely off topic, but meh whatever.

[compfreak847]

I noticed as well that even normal hits are lower than what bgs and sgs do. Strange since I thought all normal hits of gs where the same but from experience I noticed that zgs and ags lack a lot and have many low hits.

 

You really can't say thats it just seemed like it hit less so it does. If you want to prove that you need a sample size of at least 10,000+ recorded hits with both types, and not including finishing hits. Otherwise it makes no sense that one would hit lower than the other if they provide the exact same stat bonuses.

 

 

 

Edit: Above poster is right.

 

I love it when people say "edit", but don't edit their posts

 

 

 

Yeah, my sample size is fairly large with all godswords but SGS (at least 5k hits with BGS, but under 1k recorded), but the streaks and 0 runs make it somewhat confusing when doing a small run.

 

 

 

Actually the little editing time tag doesn't pop up if you edit it quickly enough.

 

 

 

EDIT:Completely off topic, but meh whatever.

 

Didn't know that.

 

 

 

Oh, and on topic: AGS is fun, but +7 to your hit really doesn't help a whole lot. I always get people asking why I don't get one, usually level 100s or so, but they refuse to listen to my reasons... #-o

 

 

 

EDIT: I guess your right