Next skill that's officially been killed - Prayer

[Great_one]

this is one of the few good make-x's

 

 

 

goods-

 

smith-x

 

grind-x

 

cut-x

 

 

 

bads-

 

cook-x

 

smelt-x

 

string-x

 

make(potions)-x

 

 

 

im probably missing alot but thats basicly the whole reason runescape is messed up if those were fixed back it would almost be fine.

 

 

 

three things to compleatly fix rs(not counting pking and trade limit)

 

-fix those make-x's i said

 

-make skill cape stats uber crap

 

-increase the xp for minning p ess and reg ess

[Reztral]

I'm not really sure how this affects prayer a whole lot. It will still take forever to get 99 since you still have to use 40k+ bones (if using dragon bones). I also don't see how making the skill cape stats crap would help anyone.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Anything that does Do-x actually make training that skill easier. The reason behind that is during the time you chararcter is doing something (usually takes 30 second or longer) you are able to do something else while you wait, so no more paying full attention to your monitor, you can just probably read something or watch tv at same time.

 

I still don't get how that's making the skill easier. All it's doing is removing the repetitive, and I repeat, dangerous nature of the more "grinding" techniques in RuneScape.

 

 

 

If people are reading a book, or talking on MSN while playing RS, than that's good, quite frankly, for a person's mental and social health. Added the removal of about 90% of the clicking, and you've also gone some way to removing the physical danger of playing computer games for too long.

 

 

 

What you should really be arguing is this - some people should not spend as long on RuneScape (or computer games in general) for as long as they do. However, without putting a limit on how long people can play for over a given time, that's almost impossible. Therefore, the sensible solution is to make the game as safe as possible while people are playing, and the "-x" updates go some way to improving that.

 

 

 

There is also another point, however. Woodcutting. Surely that has a "Do-x" option installed into it already, and has done since RuneScape's release, on the grounds that once you cut a log, you carry on without any player interaction. If we're going to protest about "Do-x", then let us also look back on skills like Woodcutting which are automated. Clearly, such a move would be silly and pedantic.

 

 

 

We should just accept that sometimes Jagex are making the game "easier" for the good of our own health, and that as a private company, looking after the health of your customers (some of which don't pay a dime for this game) is nothing to be ashamed of at all.

[Central_Keeper]

First of all, as usual, I apolozie for such a long response since I try to cover most of the points listed out by other players. So make sure you read everything of my response, not just the "parts" you want to read and make comment on it.

 

 

 

I know its hard for some people to understand, so I am just going to list few examples. (and again, just my opinion)

 

 

 

When I was training fishing at karajama island by fishing lobster, I usually fish the lobster, cook them and toss them in general store, so quick xp. At that time, there was no cook x, so we have to start a fire near general store, and then cook it quickly before the fire runs out. When I toss the cooked lobster into the store, I noticed alot of raw tuna, close to 3k of them, mainly due to people who want fast cash so they pick up from dock and sell to store.

 

 

 

With that in mind, I was excited at the prospect that I could train cooking this way by buying raw, cook it and sell it back, maybe even get elusive cook 99 that way. So I start getting cash from bank, and "terra" cooking all the fish in store to get cook xp. When one server is depleted, I move on to next one. Occasionaly, I would see few people do the same, trade noted logs to store buy 1 log, start a fire and cook, it was good xp, even though my fishing is lagging behind. Once, I even took almost 3 hours of clicking (3000 clicks too)though wrist hurts abit, but it was good, my rank was really all the way up there on highscore and it just stay around there most of the time.

 

 

 

When the cook x released, I thougtht, wow, that will make it even easier. I went back to kara island again with some cash, and to my surprise, all the raw tuna or raw lobster all become cooked?? So I hop a few servers, and then same thing happen too. As I check my highscore in cooking each day, it drops significantly.

 

 

 

Now there isn't a moral to the story here, cook x (in my opinion) makes the skill easier because you can select the function and perform the same repetive tasks, and then chat with friends, or read a book. It basically allows you to MULTITASK easier. You are right, it takes the physical and mental stress to click alot, so use another option x on it thus making the training easier. If you want to know what I mean, just do 2 skills, one, cook 5 k raw lobster. After you done that, now try burn 5k willow logs. The time that it took to do both might be the same, but the resultant stress is appearant. Its a bit like a endurance test, see how long u can keep it up, now by changing 5k clicks to 178 clicks certainly take the stress off your wrist alot and also mental focus.

 

 

 

(When I saw other peoples response, I was superheat addy bars, but I couldnt post a response on tip it because I spend all my focus on clicking ore and clicking superheating and withdraw, normally, if I just woodcut or fishing, I knew I had at least 5 minutes of break, or at least 1 minutes of break to type something up here)

 

 

 

After that, looking through the highscore, anything that has x involved generally drop alot for my rank, with one exception. Mining. To my knowledge mining need walking, and clicking, you can't exactly look away when you mine, because you wont know if you will one hit the rock, or just keep on hitting the same one for few minutes, or if someone else is hitting the same rock.

 

 

 

Now with all that said, I am not saying, wow we should all getting carpel tunnel syndrome to consider ourselve elite, or hey look at my hand, I play and click so much, there is callus growing on it. It's just that there is always a REFERENCE to compare to, and older style of training to compare to. Its like old folks talking to young folks, back then we dont have car, we have to WALK to school, people with bicycle are consider rich. I for one, dont really mind about all those new function makes training abit easier, but there is always a percentage of people arguing that, back then, we have to do this and that, and much easier compare to now.

 

 

 

Ist that why there is constant debate about cooking and fletching cape? And the constant debate about which training style is harder? F2P vs P2P, there is always endless discussion about them that people always point out the same thing. I have so many member friend telling me, go member, its so easy to train there. (Now again, not to be rude to P2P, and dont want any flame wars, we gone through this many times) Paying some cash to play member is not hard, nor there isn't really any pride for staying F2P, I just want to stay the way I enjoy the most)

 

 

 

Another example I also point out in other thread, was RC in F2P. It would take about 2 to 3 years if you traing RC from lvl 1 to lvl 99, assume if you play 4 hours per day, and thats everyday. Back then, RC is consider hard, anyone with 50 plus RC in F2P is consider quite good, and then air runers become popular, even during peak of its time, some F2P manage to get their RC lvl so high that it was consider impossible at that time.

 

 

 

But again, I dont want to argue that people use air runners or assist is any less than people who walk the airs themselves, there is always a quicker and easier ways to do things, why break your own wrist over it? So its all comes down to perception, how people look at it. If you dont really care, and you shouldn't, about what others think, then its all good.

 

 

 

Health and safety is one thing, we all know that spend long time infront of a compupter is a bad thing. It cause problem with eyes, our posture, our habit, lead to obesity due to inactivity, and other plenty of things associated with it. Why do people still do it? Too many answers, simply for the glory of obtaining a arbitrary number that in real life no one cares about? Grinding for one part seems to be a common trait on online MMORPG. The thing is, if you want to be high lvl, you either play alot during day, or play for long time, or do both. The true players are the one who can enjoy themselves, and balance out their life properly, of course, again, all just my opinion.

 

 

 

To cap it off, maybe ecto grinding is different because I am not a member, so I really shouldn't generalize on that part. All I know is, I either bury 2.2mil bones, or bury 650k bones, and it took about 1 hour to do this much xp, and after few months, I should get it. There is always a set time and speed for all the training, P2p, f2p wise, just different pace. Thats all

 

 

 

You can skin a cat several ways, in the end, you will end up with a skinless cat.

[SwreeTak]

Bone grinding X haven't ruined prayer, it has just made it a little easier. You still need to collect alot of ectoplasm (And going up and down those long stairs certainly takes a while) and get all the bones.

[Randox]

Normally clicking would not be a skill. The ectofuctus though, like hunter traps, has a long unnesscary animation (like the ones that every graphic updated monster used to get) and with some practice, you could do it very quickly. In many cases where the make-x has been implamented, it has been possible to do that something faster by hand (though smelt-x and smith-x are both faster).

 

 

 

The problem for Jagex is that RuneScape has always had grinding complaints thrown it's way, and this is their way of keeping new players who are not willing to grind.

 

As to making the skill easier/faster, yes its a bit easier. Faster? From what I heaar this is not like the fill-x buckets (which I think is automatic, not an option), which actualy completes that task about 2 or 3 times faster than you can click. Some skills get speed bosts (smithing, crafting) and some get slowdowns (prayer, fletching). The prayer alter is still better. I still use the ectofunctus for certain things. When I go through the effort to aquire ourag and otehr related bones, I am not going to lose a possible extra 50% from those bones simply because if I am going to get them manualy, I intend to get maximum benifit for it.

[salim123]

Wow, those 1.4k dragon bones lying in my bank seem to be calling me loudly once again.

 

 

 

70 Prayer is going to be a scratch :D

 

 

 

ewwwww CENA SUCKS

 

 

 

 

 

but back on topic, this update made people go back to ectoing and use it more. Because guilded alter is much faster then ectoing. Maybe now they will both be equal

[Claremont]

After all this time doing slayer and banking my lastinvent after each run, ive got about 2k dragon bones.. ive yet to ever do bone grinding, nearly all the way to 70.. i do plan on it tho!