We've put up with 8 years of George Bush driving our country into the ground.

 

 

 

You have no right whatsoever to complain.

 

 

 

George Bush did not cause this economic meltdown for the most part - its the greedy corporations and CEO's performing illegal acts and dishing out bad loans, etc.

Even though I don't live in US, I'm glad Obama won. I just can't stand McCain.

This election was a joke. Obama will be president and congress is full of liberals. Welcome socialism ! -.-

 

 

 

obama is a joke and i bet if he wasnt "different" he wouldnt get all those great comments from the media :roll:

 

 

 

i wanted mcCain to win but i felt that mcCain didnt really try either. i mean all his debates were the same and the projected votes were saying he was losing. he changed nothing. + sarah palin = wtf?

This election was a joke. Obama will be president and congress is full of liberals. Welcome socialism ! -.-

 

 

 

obama is a joke and i bet if he wasnt "different" he wouldnt get all those great comments from the media :roll:

 

 

 

i wanted mcCain to win but i felt that mcCain didnt really try either. i mean all his debates were the same and the projected votes were saying he was losing. he changed nothing. + sarah palin = wtf?

 

 

 

You'd think people would begin to understand the concept of socialism after 16 pages. At least once on every page, someone says "Obama is a socialist", to which a more intelligent person replies "You are a moron and have no idea what socialism is, and Obama is NOT a socialist."

 

 

 

The socialist candidate for the presidency said he was embarassed that people referred to Obama as "socialist" because it gave his party the wrong image. He stated that Obama "was just about as far away from socialism as can be".

 

 

 

Get it through your freakin' heads.

 

 

 

Obama does have faults such as the whole "Income Redistribution" (aka Socialism) and his idea of health care for everyone, but otherwise he is not that bad.

 

 

 

 

He is not a socialist, he is fundamentally a capitalist. I can't be bothered going over this again.

 

 

 

First I understand what you are talking about with all governments having a form of this taxation but Obama is advocating it as a very good thing in this country.

 

 

 

I am not saying he is socialist, but I am saying that Idea is the main idea of socialism. I have read the "Communist Manefesto" and that is the main reason Marx wrote it (NOTE: The "Communist Manefesto" does not talk about Communism it is the idea a Socialism what Russia did to it is Communism.). He believed that in an utopian society wealth was to be taken from the rich and distrubted among everyone so that no one was rich or poor. This redistribution of wealth is what Obama ment by his wanting to "tax the rich" and give to the poorer people of America.

 

 

 

 

 

This is completely OT but remember: Robin Hood was good and all, but he was still a thief. ;)

 

 

 

And YoMyth, I think McCain was right about picking Palin. He obviously sucks at home affairs, and whether you agree with Palin or not, she is strong in that issue for her party.

 

 

 

But YoMyth just know, it's a win-win for Republcians

 

 

 

1) Obama is as awful as we predict - so awful, our next few presidents are Republican.

 

 

 

2) We are wrong, and Obama turns out to be an awesome President. That's still good for us. Hehe.

Hah this is great. Now every die-hard Republician I know think we're going to turn into the next Soivet Union. Ahh how I'm gonna piss them off by bringing a sickle and hammer...

I pissed off all the die hard conservatives cause I wore an Obama shirt. Then, I pissed off all the Democrats by pasting my MP BS on it.

Just noticed the stock market is down nearly 500 points today. Coincidence?

 

hey, remember when stocks went down 700 points after mccain unveiled his economic plan, or when they tumbled nearly 300 points in the last 2 minutes of a Palin speech?

 

 

 

The fears in the current market are much too big to be effected by the victory of either candidate, especially since Bush still has 2 months left.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and somewhat off-topic: I actually heard a kid in my stat class use the words "obama anti-christ hitler black panthers" in the same breathe today. I was curious why he was in class and not at a KKK rally.

This election was a joke. Obama will be president and congress is full of liberals. Welcome socialism ! -.-

 

 

 

obama is a joke and i bet if he wasnt "different" he wouldnt get all those great comments from the media :roll:

 

 

 

i wanted mcCain to win but i felt that mcCain didnt really try either. i mean all his debates were the same and the projected votes were saying he was losing. he changed nothing. + sarah palin = wtf?

 

 

 

Please answer the following questions:

 

 

 

1. Age?

 

2. What grade are you in?

 

3. Do your parents agree with what you said?

 

4. Did you hear what you said from your parents?

 

5. Did your parents bother going to school or did they just drop out and take minimum wage jobs that require minimum brain usage?

 

 

 

 

And YoMyth, I think McCain was right about picking Palin. He obviously sucks at home affairs, and whether you agree with Palin or not, she is strong in that issue for her party.

 

 

 

 

As far as getting more votes, he did a great job picking a running mate. As far as someone you'd want in the white house, terrible choice.

As far as getting more votes, he did a great job picking a running mate

 

 

 

Disagree.

 

 

 

Without the help of Sarah Palin, we would not have had the landslide victory that we had. We would have lost North Carolina, Indiana, and Missouri wouldn't have been as close. Ohio would have been closer without her, and the same goes for Florida.

 

 

 

She was a terrible choice all around, and McCain advisers couldn't stand her. They're releasing things that happened during the campaign, like that she wanted to make a concession speech but the campaign wouldn't let her.

 

 

 

She didn't know Africa was a continent, or the countries that were involved in NAFTA.

Landslide victory? Maybe in the electoral votes, but if you observe popular vote, it wasn't much different... Obama 52%, McCain 46%.

Landslide victory? Maybe in the electoral votes, but if you observe popular vote, it wasn't much different... Obama 52%, McCain 46%.

 

 

 

In a 2 party system, 6 points is a landslide victory. Not to mention that all absentees have not been counted, a majority of which will be from college students.

 

 

 

And, unfortunately for your assessment, popular vote doesn't matter.

Hence me saying "maybe in electoral votes". I know popular vote doesn't matter, but when you do observe it, it wasn't much of a landslide victory.

As far as getting more votes, he did a great job picking a running mate

 

 

 

Disagree.

 

 

 

Without the help of Sarah Palin, we would not have had the landslide victory that we had. We would have lost North Carolina, Indiana, and Missouri wouldn't have been as close. Ohio would have been closer without her, and the same goes for Florida.

 

 

 

She was a terrible choice all around, and McCain advisers couldn't stand her. They're releasing things that happened during the campaign, like that she wanted to make a concession speech but the campaign wouldn't let her.

 

 

 

She didn't know Africa was a continent, or the countries that were involved in NAFTA.

 

 

 

Obama doesn't know how many states there are. She would have ended up helping if the media hadn't savaged her after the few days. Anyway if McCain had picked Romney or Lieberman he would have been a lock.

To All Conservatives, Republicans, and McCain supporters !

 

It is with the utmost disgust for my fellow party members that I write this note. It shames my conscience to consider myself one of you. I am a conservative and McCain supporter, but most importantly I am an American. On Tuesday November 4th 2008 I witnessed history. Barack Obama, A black man, was elected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. For that he is deserving of a congratulations. In the aftermath of this I as an American and as a respectful member of the Conservative party vowed to rally behind our president-elect to unify the nation, so that this man can govern with the best of his ability. The job itself is challenging enough, and Barack Obama deserves our full faith and credit in the execution of the duties of his office, and that my friends he has earned. Barack Obama has transcended the traditional view of politics in America, he has accomplished much, and with our support, maybe he can do the same to our government. But some of you have risen the level of hate for this man to unprecedented record, never has a man so deserving our our respect, been the target of such hate, intolerance and innuendo. You have no RIGHT to do the things you are doing! I will not stand the hate, the pettiness, intolerance, or slandering. I WILL NOT!! DO NOT BE PATRIOTS TO YOUR PARTY BUT TRAITORS TO THE END RESULT, THAT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, THE TRUTH, THE CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE MADE THE AMERICAN DREAM BLIND TO RACE! I will not be with blame, I am pointing a finger at you and demanding, "HAVE YOU NO DECENCY?" Hate and intolerance have no place in this Democracy, and I will extinguish it wherever it arises. Now is the time to heal ourselves as a nation, now is the time to support our next president. Now is not the time for the disgracefulness you have incited among members of our party. Barack Obama will serve in the Highest office of the executive, simple as that. Now, Greatness comes in many forms, and scaling the mountain that President-Elect Obama has had to climb to get where he is today is indicative of TRUE GREATNESS. I CANNOT STAND TO SEE THE FACES OF YOU WHO WOULD HINDER THE POSSIBILITY OF GREATNESS IN AMERICAN LEADERSHIP BECAUSE OF HALF TRUTHS, LIES, AND INNUENDOS.You truly sicken me. You have the opportunity to be part of something great. The American people have spoken, and Barack Obama is the Man to lead this nation. He deserves our highest grade of respect, faith, and trust. NOW LETS GIVE IT TO HIM.

 

 

 

A note my good friend wrote on facebook.

 

 

 

I could easily say he's the most political person I personally know, and is highly respected.

To All Conservatives, Republicans, and McCain supporters !

 

It is with the utmost disgust for my fellow party members that I write this note. It shames my conscience to consider myself one of you. I am a conservative and McCain supporter, but most importantly I am an American. On Tuesday November 4th 2008 I witnessed history. Barack Obama, A black man, was elected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. For that he is deserving of a congratulations. In the aftermath of this I as an American and as a respectful member of the Conservative party vowed to rally behind our president-elect to unify the nation, so that this man can govern with the best of his ability. The job itself is challenging enough, and Barack Obama deserves our full faith and credit in the execution of the duties of his office, and that my friends he has earned. Barack Obama has transcended the traditional view of politics in America, he has accomplished much, and with our support, maybe he can do the same to our government. But some of you have risen the level of hate for this man to unprecedented record, never has a man so deserving our our respect, been the target of such hate, intolerance and innuendo. You have no RIGHT to do the things you are doing! I will not stand the hate, the pettiness, intolerance, or slandering. I WILL NOT!! DO NOT BE PATRIOTS TO YOUR PARTY BUT TRAITORS TO THE END RESULT, THAT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, THE TRUTH, THE CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE MADE THE AMERICAN DREAM BLIND TO RACE! I will not be with blame, I am pointing a finger at you and demanding, "HAVE YOU NO DECENCY?" Hate and intolerance have no place in this Democracy, and I will extinguish it wherever it arises. Now is the time to heal ourselves as a nation, now is the time to support our next president. Now is not the time for the disgracefulness you have incited among members of our party. Barack Obama will serve in the Highest office of the executive, simple as that. Now, Greatness comes in many forms, and scaling the mountain that President-Elect Obama has had to climb to get where he is today is indicative of TRUE GREATNESS. I CANNOT STAND TO SEE THE FACES OF YOU WHO WOULD HINDER THE POSSIBILITY OF GREATNESS IN AMERICAN LEADERSHIP BECAUSE OF HALF TRUTHS, LIES, AND INNUENDOS.You truly sicken me. You have the opportunity to be part of something great. The American people have spoken, and Barack Obama is the Man to lead this nation. He deserves our highest grade of respect, faith, and trust. NOW LETS GIVE IT TO HIM.

 

 

 

A note my good friend wrote on facebook.

 

 

 

I could easily say he's the most political person I personally know, and is highly respected.

 

 

 

Nobody is hating on Obama. People are still just getting over the defeat. Myself included. I've already said I would give him the benefit of the doubt on most things. Anyway since he is a democrat he will not have anywhere near the amount of hatred or racism directed at his administration that President Bush has.

To All Conservatives, Republicans, and McCain supporters !

 

It is with the utmost disgust for my fellow party members that I write this note. It shames my conscience to consider myself one of you. I am a conservative and McCain supporter, but most importantly I am an American. On Tuesday November 4th 2008 I witnessed history. Barack Obama, A black man, was elected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. For that he is deserving of a congratulations. In the aftermath of this I as an American and as a respectful member of the Conservative party vowed to rally behind our president-elect to unify the nation, so that this man can govern with the best of his ability. The job itself is challenging enough, and Barack Obama deserves our full faith and credit in the execution of the duties of his office, and that my friends he has earned. Barack Obama has transcended the traditional view of politics in America, he has accomplished much, and with our support, maybe he can do the same to our government. But some of you have risen the level of hate for this man to unprecedented record, never has a man so deserving our our respect, been the target of such hate, intolerance and innuendo. You have no RIGHT to do the things you are doing! I will not stand the hate, the pettiness, intolerance, or slandering. I WILL NOT!! DO NOT BE PATRIOTS TO YOUR PARTY BUT TRAITORS TO THE END RESULT, THAT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, THE TRUTH, THE CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE MADE THE AMERICAN DREAM BLIND TO RACE! I will not be with blame, I am pointing a finger at you and demanding, "HAVE YOU NO DECENCY?" Hate and intolerance have no place in this Democracy, and I will extinguish it wherever it arises. Now is the time to heal ourselves as a nation, now is the time to support our next president. Now is not the time for the disgracefulness you have incited among members of our party. Barack Obama will serve in the Highest office of the executive, simple as that. Now, Greatness comes in many forms, and scaling the mountain that President-Elect Obama has had to climb to get where he is today is indicative of TRUE GREATNESS. I CANNOT STAND TO SEE THE FACES OF YOU WHO WOULD HINDER THE POSSIBILITY OF GREATNESS IN AMERICAN LEADERSHIP BECAUSE OF HALF TRUTHS, LIES, AND INNUENDOS.You truly sicken me. You have the opportunity to be part of something great. The American people have spoken, and Barack Obama is the Man to lead this nation. He deserves our highest grade of respect, faith, and trust. NOW LETS GIVE IT TO HIM.

 

 

 

A note my good friend wrote on facebook.

 

 

 

I could easily say he's the most political person I personally know, and is highly respected.

 

 

 

Thank you for that. Seriously. I am glad that there are Conservatives and McCain supporters who respect and know Barack Obama will do all in his steed to help the nation of America. How old is your friend? It would be cool to see someone like that eventually run for presidency. The World could do with a man (Or Woman, Black, Asian or any other race) who only thought about helping his nation.

Obama doesn't know how many states there are.

 

 

 

Please, you know as well as I do that he meant 47 states, not 57. Stfu. She legitimately didn't know Africa was a continent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

She would have ended up helping if the media hadn't savaged her after the few days. Anyway if McCain had picked Romney or Lieberman he would have been a lock.

 

 

 

Lol'd. He knew he had no shot, and that's why he picked her. She would have either given him a chance, or killed his campaign. She did the latter.

 

 

 

Someone else wouldn't have been able to give him a chance, but they would have been able to salvage a few states.

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To All Conservatives, Republicans, and McCain supporters !

 

It is with the utmost disgust for my fellow party members that I write this note. It shames my conscience to consider myself one of you. I am a conservative and McCain supporter, but most importantly I am an American. On Tuesday November 4th 2008 I witnessed history. Barack Obama, A black man, was elected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. For that he is deserving of a congratulations. In the aftermath of this I as an American and as a respectful member of the Conservative party vowed to rally behind our president-elect to unify the nation, so that this man can govern with the best of his ability. The job itself is challenging enough, and Barack Obama deserves our full faith and credit in the execution of the duties of his office, and that my friends he has earned. Barack Obama has transcended the traditional view of politics in America, he has accomplished much, and with our support, maybe he can do the same to our government. But some of you have risen the level of hate for this man to unprecedented record, never has a man so deserving our our respect, been the target of such hate, intolerance and innuendo. You have no RIGHT to do the things you are doing! I will not stand the hate, the pettiness, intolerance, or slandering. I WILL NOT!! DO NOT BE PATRIOTS TO YOUR PARTY BUT TRAITORS TO THE END RESULT, THAT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, THE TRUTH, THE CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE MADE THE AMERICAN DREAM BLIND TO RACE! I will not be with blame, I am pointing a finger at you and demanding, "HAVE YOU NO DECENCY?" Hate and intolerance have no place in this Democracy, and I will extinguish it wherever it arises. Now is the time to heal ourselves as a nation, now is the time to support our next president. Now is not the time for the disgracefulness you have incited among members of our party. Barack Obama will serve in the Highest office of the executive, simple as that. Now, Greatness comes in many forms, and scaling the mountain that President-Elect Obama has had to climb to get where he is today is indicative of TRUE GREATNESS. I CANNOT STAND TO SEE THE FACES OF YOU WHO WOULD HINDER THE POSSIBILITY OF GREATNESS IN AMERICAN LEADERSHIP BECAUSE OF HALF TRUTHS, LIES, AND INNUENDOS.You truly sicken me. You have the opportunity to be part of something great. The American people have spoken, and Barack Obama is the Man to lead this nation. He deserves our highest grade of respect, faith, and trust. NOW LETS GIVE IT TO HIM.

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A note my good friend wrote on facebook.

 

 

 

I could easily say he's the most political person I personally know, and is highly respected.

 

 

 

Thank you for that. Seriously. I am glad that there are Conservatives and McCain supporters who respect and know Barack Obama will do all in his steed to help the nation of America. How old is your friend? It would be cool to see someone like that eventually run for presidency. The World could do with a man (Or Woman, Black, Asian or any other race) who only thought about helping his nation.

 

 

 

I believe he's 19 same as me. I don't really like calling people out on race but he is black conservative. He does talk of running for presidency, but who in a political science major doesn't. ha. I know he's going to do very well in his political future. He is a very strong leader, and does very well in a position of power, as I have seen him do under several different roles. He is very heavily involved currently in student government and in his fraternity (FIJI)..

Awesome picture:

 

 

 

Cute, but I can't help but cringe whenever I see young children at a political rally waving signs around.

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Right, like everyone who earned their wealth is Joe the Plumber.

 

 

 

No, but a vast majority were already born privileged.

 

 

 

I came from an average family...slightly higher than average actually (dad makes $80,000 atm but he's a Federal employee). I am working for it, but you have to remember that I was still given opportunities that the average American is not. The average household in America makes $45,000 a year, and I'd say it's a lot lower than that simply because of the richest 5% owning more than HALF of the wealth, and 20% own over 80% of the wealth. So really, just because Bill Gates walks into a bar, not everyone is a millionaire simply because he makes billions to average everyone else out. I hope you understand what I meant by that.

 

 

 

However, I was privileged. I didn't have to drop out of high school, and get a job, just to help my parents pay the bills. I didn't get a teenage woman pregnant, while not having received proper sexual education to know about the consequences. I didn't grow up in poverty. I didn't go to a [cabbage] high school. I was given many opportunities that I didn't work for, that many others are not given. And even I am struggling.

 

 

 

Obama wants to raise the tax rates to LESS than that of Clinton. How is that out of hand? We had a surplus during the Clinton years, and there was a less wage gap.

 

 

 

America currently has wage gaps worse than countries like Kenya, according to the United Nations (at least that's what we're approaching). Don't you see a problem here?

 

 

 

The thing is, as hard as some people might work and try, it doesn't guarantee prosperity. That is the lie that is the American Dream: few live it.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not saying it's impossible to stay poor, but it usually is. Poor people are generally poor, because they made bad decisions, I'm not saying they were risky, but generall bad. But I wonder, how do so many poor people rise up to be rich? Simple, the gap is less existant then you guys would like to realize. I mean, it would take a lot of hard work, but it's been done before.

 

Exactly, it's like those people who have ten children and point the finger on Bush for making them poor. There will always be extremely rich and extremely poor people. There's really no way around that, it's the way it's always been.

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I cannot believe the simplicity of the things I have read here. You guys really have got to wake up out of this American Dream. There is inequality, there are people who have fewer chances, and it is downright unethical to say "oh, too bad, let them work it out for theirselves, we will always have poor people anyways, hehe". I have no words for people who feel that if people can't pull themselves out of the swamp, they should simply die.

 

 

 

Even if being poor had anything to do with bad decisions, which it usually does NOT, how dare any of you condemn people for them? Can you yourselves swear you'll never make a mistake, never have something awful happen to you? You cannot.

 

 

 

The way I understand it, and correct me if I'm wrong, the social net in America is so non-existant that even a fairly well to do family can fall into abject poverty simply by having a few blows dealt to them by fate (falling ill, having an accident, losing a job/house,...). Oh, or is it the wrath of God that they probably deserve anyway? Let alone how difficult it is for those who were born in poverty.

 

 

 

I don't understand how knowing about poverty and seeing poverty can leave anybody cold to it, as long as their own income is safe. In Belgium, we all pay heavy taxes on our wages, I as a civil servant even more than 50%. I am still rather well to-do with what remains of it. And I know that if I fall ill, I'll be protected. I know that when something happens to my only parent, it won't throw me in financial problems. If I lose my job, there'll be services to help me through the jobless months and to help me find a new job. When my employer treats me wrong, I have services to give me legal aid. Should I one day, heaven forbid, come into poverty, there'll be services to provide me with a minimal income to survive. These are my rights, here, and I am very glad to have them and to know that other people can benefit from them, even if it means paying taxes.

Cute, but I can't help but cringe whenever I see young children at a political rally waving signs around.

 

 

 

You'd be surprised...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Isaiah is 12. Isaiah made more calls than many of our adult volunteers, and he came in the office without a parent.

 

 

 

I have a lot of pictures of young children coming in without their parents on my phone, but they're on my phone haha. This one girl Gracey, age 9, made more phone calls, and knocked on more doors than I did. She was a trooper. Her dad was always at work, and she came in on her own free-will.

Cute, but I can't help but cringe whenever I see young children at a political rally waving signs around.

 

 

 

You'd be surprised...

 

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Isaiah is 12. Isaiah made more calls than many of our adult volunteers, and he came in the office without a parent.

 

 

 

I have a lot of pictures of young children coming in without their parents on my phone, but they're on my phone haha. This one girl Gracey, age 9, made more phone calls, and knocked on more doors than I did. She was a trooper. Her dad was always at work, and she came in on her own free-will.

 

That would be so patronising. -.-

Cute, but I can't help but cringe whenever I see young children at a political rally waving signs around.

 

 

 

You'd be surprised...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Isaiah is 12. Isaiah made more calls than many of our adult volunteers, and he came in the office without a parent.

 

 

 

I have a lot of pictures of young children coming in without their parents on my phone, but they're on my phone haha. This one girl Gracey, age 9, made more phone calls, and knocked on more doors than I did. She was a trooper. Her dad was always at work, and she came in on her own free-will.

 

 

 

And you think all these kids do this without any influence from parents whatsoever? Perhaps there are some kids which take a real interest in politics from a young age of their own accord, but you can't deny that many parents force their own political views on their kids too.