New stuff for the free players from time to time

[scootaboot]

I suggest that they give a new quest or new item for the Free players as well and try to give them some leg room...

 

I know that they wont profit from this but since the free players (cant afford the upgrade or can't buy it because of their location) don't get a single new quest or a new weapon that could somehow compete with the mems then most of them just quit RS and say bad stuff about because of frustration or something...

 

 

 

I suggest that they make a weapon for free players that could compete with the mems dragon. Make it rare so that the f2p's won't easily get tired of it. Also a new quest every few months would be great...

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: my reply on page 2

 

 

 

Hmm.. Thanks for the replies and stuff... I realized something. I have not played RuneScape for months now. I tried checking all the updates that you listed here. The F2p's did get a lot of updates. The FoG has a new shield and things. Theres also the corrupt dragon for the Pkers. I was surprised though... Jagex has never given this much updates in the past years... Well anyway, you could choose to expand this discussion all you want. Just wanted to let you know that, I got what I wanted.

[Bauke]

What? F2P got quite a lot of updates the last couple of months. Also, suggesting that F2P should get updates is what thousands of people did before you. You ain't exactly the first one.

[NinjaXrage]

I agree, im member and i still agree. Simply because i don't think f2p players are given enough, and i understand what its like to be so limited.

[Omali]

I agree, im member and i still agree. Simply because i don't think f2p players are given enough, and i understand what its like to be so limited.

 

 

 

Yea seriously, what have they gotten in the past year?

 

 

 

assist system, duel arena, more bank space, removing the massive amounts of bots, Grand Exchange, graphics updates, Bounty HUnter, Fist of Guthix, coinshare, Christmas 07, Easter 08, Halloween 08, Gnomecopters, GE Database, Party Pete, Quick Chat, Runescape HD, item lending, bank update, runecrafting guild, trade margin increase, pvp worlds.

 

 

 

If Jagex can't see how they're starving the Lumbridge Squirrels of the hard earned and paid for content then...I'm sorry, what? Oh! This is a thread about f2p not getting enough content?

 

 

 

Wow, ungrateful children. If you want more stuff, get members. Otherwise, you contributed nothing to the game, why should Jagex reward you with MORE stuff than they already have in the past year? What, getting two updates a month for a full year wasn't good enough for your high expectations?

[IMSecure]

Omali grow up, half that stuff made F2P less fun than it already is

 

 

 

Assist System - hardly anybody uses

 

Duel Arena - Only has Noobs looking for fr33 3xp

 

Bank Space - They sooo needed this

 

Bots - This wasnt a F2P Update, this was a Runescape wide update

 

GE - um, killed the economy?

 

Graphics - F2P doesnt have high detail/full screen

 

FoG - Cool Minigame, mostly filled with noobs

 

Coinshare - useless in f2p

 

Holidays - everyone deserves this

 

GnomeCopters - you're serious right? this was just to show newbies how cooll p2p is

 

party pete - again, useless

 

quick chat - i guess its good for muted players but thats it

 

item lending - good idea but useless in f2p, except for are items

 

bank update - if you do this to p2p, you have to do it to f2p

 

rc guild - good update

 

trade margin increased - useful but not by much, 10k isnt alot

 

pvp worlds - everyone deserves pking

 

 

 

so basically, only a couple are actually USED AND OR USEFUL!!!

 

 

 

ive been p2p for the past 3 years and ive always thought f2p deserves more...

 

 

 

theres about 1 million members? and 9 million non members? think how much money the nonmembers make from playing with ads? probally a hell of alot more than the members do. Nonmembers actually make more money for jagex than members do!

 

 

 

Any "f2p gets too much" idiots should just leave now.

[SomeWelshGuy]

Omali grow up, half that stuff made F2P less fun than it already is

 

 

 

Assist System - hardly anybody uses | So, you still have the option to use it.

 

Duel Arena - Only has Noobs looking for fr33 3xp | When I was F2P, one of the things I wanted the most was the ability to duel with friends. Sure, that was at wilderness times, but it still applies today.

 

Bank Space - They sooo needed this | Good, I'm glad you agree.

 

Bots - This wasnt a F2P Update, this was a Runescape wide update | Isn't every update either P2P or a RuneScape wide update? You don't get F2P only updates.

 

GE - um, killed the economy? | You could say that, but I bet you use it every time you buy or sell.

 

Graphics - F2P doesnt have high detail/full screen | F2P doesn't have fullscreen, but you do have HD.

 

FoG - Cool Minigame, mostly filled with noobs | It's still a good minigame with pretty good rewards. You said yourself it's cool.

 

Coinshare - useless in f2p | It's useless, but F2P still has it.

 

Holidays - everyone deserves this | Jagex could make holiday events P2P if they liked. Nobody, F2P or P2P, deserves anything. We get what Jagex choose to give us.

 

GnomeCopters - you're serious right? this was just to show newbies how cooll p2p is | Still helpful for F2Pers who are looking to become members.

 

party pete - again, useless | What, so the only possible way to have a drop party is useless?

 

quick chat - i guess its good for muted players but thats it | Like you said, if you were muted you would appreciate it.

 

item lending - good idea but useless in f2p, except for are items | You still have the option to lend items, even if only rares are worth lending.

 

bank update - if you do this to p2p, you have to do it to f2p | Jagex doesn't HAVE to do anything. It could be P2P only for all they care.

 

rc guild - good update | Likewise.

 

trade margin increased - useful but not by much, 10k isnt alot | Like you said, useful, and while 10k isn't a lot, it is still 10k worth more items than you could have in one trade previously.

 

pvp worlds - everyone deserves pking | Again, nobody deserves anything.

 

 

 

so basically, only a couple are actually USED AND OR USEFUL!!!

 

 

 

ive been p2p for the past 3 years and ive always thought f2p deserves more...

 

 

 

theres about 1 million members? and 9 million non members? think how much money the nonmembers make from playing with ads? probally a hell of alot more than the members do. Nonmembers actually make more money for jagex than members do!

 

 

 

Any "f2p gets too much" idiots should just leave now.

 

Note I have edited the quote above and replied to what you said in bold.

 

 

 

And they don't make that much money with the ads, less than £3.50 per player per month I bet. I'm not one of those F2P deserve nothing people, but it is true that if you don't pay, you can't expect frequent updates.

[Will H]

F2p has already received a bucketload of updates (including a quest, plenty of items and weapons to rival members' weapons) this year. Why need to suggest something that is already happening?

[Zaaps1]

Not a very convincing argument.

[NJE03]

F2P has been getting tons of new things lately and has more on the way. Jagex is being very generous with the amount of F2P updates as it is and I appreciate that.

[Balazeal]

 

Yea seriously, what have they gotten in the past year?

 

 

 

assist system, duel arena, more bank space, removing the massive amounts of bots, Grand Exchange, graphics updates, Bounty HUnter, Fist of Guthix, coinshare, Christmas 07, Easter 08, Halloween 08, GE Database, Party Pete, Quick Chat, Runescape HD, item lending, bank update, runecrafting guild, trade margin increase, pvp worlds.

 

 

 

If Jagex can't see how they're starving the Lumbridge Squirrels of the hard earned and paid for content then...I'm sorry, what? Oh! This is a thread about f2p not getting enough content?

 

 

 

Wow, ungrateful children. If you want more stuff, get members. Otherwise, you contributed nothing to the game, why should Jagex reward you with MORE stuff than they already have in the past year? What, getting two updates a month for a full year wasn't good enough for your high expectations?

 

 

 

Now, Omali, if you paid attention to details you would notice this; most F2P'ers who ask for these updates haven't usually spent more than about 4 months in the game(The person who posted the thread isn't even ranked). You'd also know that the long time F2P players and I, don't expect updates, but we have been very thankful for the recent abundance of updates. Also, you stated that F2P contributes nothing to Jagex's financially, not true. To quote a very accurate post from a Tip.it Mod:

 

 

 

[hide=BlueLancer Wrote]Banner ads not just pay $$ whenever somebody views them, but Jagex also gets about $0.15-$0.40 commission every time someone clicks on them. Essentially f2p is not just a demo, every user makes some $ for Jagex without realizing it.

 

 

 

Let's say a total of 900,000 unique people play F2P weekly (might be much more)... Out of those people, all view the banner ad, 3% click it. At $0.005 per view, Jagex gets $4500 per week from banner views, and even at the minimum click-payout ratio, $27,000 per week from clickthroughs (over $1M per year)[/hide]

[tard53]

Yea seriously, what have they gotten in the past year?

 

 

 

assist system, duel arena, more bank space, removing the massive amounts of bots, Grand Exchange, graphics updates, Bounty HUnter, Fist of Guthix, coinshare, Christmas 07, Easter 08, Halloween 08, Gnomecopters, GE Database, Party Pete, Quick Chat, Runescape HD, item lending, bank update, runecrafting guild, trade margin increase, pvp worlds.

 

 

 

If Jagex can't see how they're starving the Lumbridge Squirrels of the hard earned and paid for content then...I'm sorry, what? Oh! This is a thread about f2p not getting enough content?

 

 

 

Wow, ungrateful children. If you want more stuff, get members. Otherwise, you contributed nothing to the game, why should Jagex reward you with MORE stuff than they already have in the past year? What, getting two updates a month for a full year wasn't good enough for your high expectations?

 

 

 

 

 

exactly

[Zaaps1]

Honestly I was f2p for 2 and a half years and I got by perfectly fine. This was before all this new stuff you guys get now. I got members about 8 months before the Stronghold of Safety was released. I'll say it again, I got by perfectly fine.

 

 

 

There is absolutely no reason to complain. I wish I had that many minigames to play with when I was f2p. Hell, I might not have even became a member if I had so much to preoccupy myself with. You even get FOG. Even in members, FOG is my all-time favorite minigame. Period. Beats everything, CW, PC, EVERYTHING. You guys even got PvP worlds, RC guild, and HD. Honestly how much more can you want?

 

 

 

I remember over year or so ago, there were people (like now) wanting more for f2p. More robes, more spells, more weapons. EVERY SINGLE ONE got beat back by "F2p doesn't deserve this", "Pay for members noob", etc. Being F2P I wasn't too thrilled with those responses, but all the same... What I remember most now are those people who said, "You give them this, they'll just ask for more". How true they are...

[IMSecure]

I think Jagex should actually put time into F2P Updates.

 

 

 

Fist of Guthix was pathetically designed and there is so much room for improvements.

 

 

 

Though I'm not F2P, If I were, I would prefer getting maybe 3-4 updates a year, but very good updates, not 10 junky updates

[Levon_]

No, sorry. I've never been P2P, and i don't want anything more. We have gotten FOG, PVP worlds, HD, Corrupt Dragon, RC Guild, and lots more. F2P needs nothing more.

 

 

 

If I could choose one thing to become F2P it would be fletching, although it is highly unnecessary.

[scootaboot]

Actually... The corrupt dragon is kinda worthless... You could see people using it on Clan wars usually. But look, it costs so much and it only increased its price in G.E because its original price was very high too.

 

Im not just fighting for the free players. I also found something unfair for the P2p's as well. But I don't plan on ruining RuneScape...

 

Hey, isn't it unfair that the corrupt dragon only works for 30 minutes?? I suggest they make a weapon for F2p's that can compete with the dragon weapons but cost i dont know... really high like: 12 mil for a scimmy so only a few could buy it and the F2p's wouldn't easily get tired of it..

[Balazeal]

Yea seriously, what have they gotten in the past year?

 

 

 

assist system, duel arena, more bank space, removing the massive amounts of bots, Grand Exchange, graphics updates, Bounty HUnter, Fist of Guthix, coinshare, Christmas 07, Easter 08, Halloween 08, Gnomecopters, GE Database, Party Pete, Quick Chat, Runescape HD, item lending, bank update, runecrafting guild, trade margin increase, pvp worlds.

 

 

 

If Jagex can't see how they're starving the Lumbridge Squirrels of the hard earned and paid for content then...I'm sorry, what? Oh! This is a thread about f2p not getting enough content?

 

 

 

Wow, ungrateful children. If you want more stuff, get members. Otherwise, you contributed nothing to the game, why should Jagex reward you with MORE stuff than they already have in the past year? What, getting two updates a month for a full year wasn't good enough for your high expectations?

 

 

 

F2P 'noobs' begging for updates? I think not. Take the time to look around.

 

[hide=Pro Giving F2P More]Scootaboot-Not even listed on the highscores, can hardly speak for the real F2P community*

 

IMSecure-P2P

 

NinjaXrage-P2P

 

 

 

*=Most folks like this quit after about a month[/hide]

 

[hide=Anti Giving F2P More]Rustoid523-100% F2P

 

zapps1-2 and a half years F2P

 

NJE03-100% F2P

 

Omali-P2P

 

Ddraiggoch06-P2P

 

Tard53-P2P

 

Myself-100% F2P[/hide]

 

 

 

Now, if you compare the two, you'll notice that the only people who actually support giving F2P updates, are a few members, and new F2P players. You'll also see that all those who are against giving F2P updates, are the long time F2P'ers(as compared to the ones who play for a month, demand more stuff, then quit) and members.

 

Contrary to what many members such as Omali assume, not all F2P'ers are pathetic beggers who just keep wanting more.Next time, do you homework before you say something.

[ghostman]

F2p has already received a bucketload of updates (including a quest, plenty of items and weapons to rival members' weapons) this year. Why need to suggest something that is already happening?

 

 

 

Puh leeze...I challenge you to name a single viable f2p weapon which borders on something like the whip or godswords for training. Sure we have corrupted weapons, but they're not a viable source for training..I doubt many f2p have a few hundred k per hour to waste on such weapons, while getting little or no return from their investments.

 

 

 

Omali, if only it were as simple as you stated. Some of us, like myself, would very much like to get members, and have the money to do so. It's other factors such as parents who limit us. There are many younger players who have no way of getting members, because their parents won't allow them to do so. Also, like many people said before, Jagex does make a significant amount from the ad revenue of f2p. It's probably higher now that we have to watch the ad for 10 seconds.

 

 

 

Oh, by the way. Before anyone flames me for being p2p, I've been p2p for a total of 3 months, and f2p for ~3 and a half years, or more.

 

 

 

I certainly wouldn't mind getting more updates. The game does get quite dreary after awhile of grinding out skills. That's probably one of the reasons I'm semi-retired now instead of an active player.

[Tetsuya]

I agree, they should get more updates.

 

 

 

*is also a member*

[Omali]

Omali, if only it were as simple as you stated. Some of us, like myself, would very much like to get members, and have the money to do so. It's other factors such as parents who limit us. There are many younger players who have no way of getting members, because their parents won't allow them to do so. Also, like many people said before, Jagex does make a significant amount from the ad revenue of f2p. It's probably higher now that we have to watch the ad for 10 seconds.

 

 

 

The "I don't have the money" does NOT WORK, IT IS NOT A VALID ARGUMENT. I cannot go to my cable company and demand that they give me movie channels on top of free basic cable, because I can't pay for it.

 

 

 

It is as simple as I stated it. If your parents don't want to use their credit card, pay by those refillable visa's you can buy at the store. If you live in the US, buy those Runescape cards at Target.

 

 

 

If you can't buy membership no matter what: DEAL WITH IT. You don't get something for free just because you don't have the ability to pay for it. That's not how it works.

 

 

 

I'd like to explain my earlier sarcasm. With all the updates listed, I was pointing out that, it's not like f2p has had a lack of updates this year. F2p has had more updates than any other year, this past year, and this just goes to prove the theory that if you give f2p'ers a hand, they'll take the whole arm. I asked why should Jagex give you all of these updates this year, and then give you MORE UPDATES because you're apparently unsatisfied with the already inflated quantity?

 

 

 

You can say whatever you'd like about the updates. Like them or hate them, F2P received a truckload of them this year. You don't "deserve" more, and I'm not saying you deserve less. You get what you pay for, and you pay nothing. The companies pay on your behalf, you do not pay anything, even when viewing the ads.

 

 

 

@balazeal: Why did you inject yourself into the conversation as if I had addressed your specifically? I addressed nobody specifically, try reading my post.

 

 

 

And when did I say "f2p noobs begging for updates"? Stop putting words in my mouth, especially when you're quoting my right above your response, :wall:

[Salad]

F2P Already have enough. Most games that have a free demo doesn't give this much, and F2P got loads of updates in the last year: Duel Arena, Fog, RuneCraft Guild, Halloween Quest (I forgot more, I know) and the member version is just so cheap! I mean, 6 bucks a mounth for this much content is awsome.

 

 

 

EDIT: I also forgot that now they have dragon weapons and armor, ye sure it's only 30 mins BUT THEY HAVE IT!

 

 

 

*Is member*

[Bauke]

Omali is totally right here. It's a straight fact that F2P got a lot of updates this year, compared to other years. Therefore wanting more updates can't realistically be called fair. Personally I think it's outrageous that people who don't even pay -instead of being happy with what they actually get- whine about the quality of the updates and just want more. I'm ok with F2P having updates, but this is just greed.

 

 

 

And for the love of god.. STOP suggesting that F2P needs updates. There have been a gazillion of threads about this subject and it's always the same. Creating more of these threads is just spamming.

[scootaboot]

Yea seriously, what have they gotten in the past year?

 

 

 

assist system, duel arena, more bank space, removing the massive amounts of bots, Grand Exchange, graphics updates, Bounty HUnter, Fist of Guthix, coinshare, Christmas 07, Easter 08, Halloween 08, Gnomecopters, GE Database, Party Pete, Quick Chat, Runescape HD, item lending, bank update, runecrafting guild, trade margin increase, pvp worlds.

 

 

 

If Jagex can't see how they're starving the Lumbridge Squirrels of the hard earned and paid for content then...I'm sorry, what? Oh! This is a thread about f2p not getting enough content?

 

 

 

Wow, ungrateful children. If you want more stuff, get members. Otherwise, you contributed nothing to the game, why should Jagex reward you with MORE stuff than they already have in the past year? What, getting two updates a month for a full year wasn't good enough for your high expectations?

 

 

 

F2P 'noobs' begging for updates? I think not. Take the time to look around.

 

[hide=Pro Giving F2P More]Scootaboot-Not even listed on the highscores, can hardly speak for the real F2P community*

 

IMSecure-P2P

 

NinjaXrage-P2P

 

 

 

*=Most folks like this quit after about a month[/hide]

 

[hide=Anti Giving F2P More]Rustoid523-100% F2P

 

zapps1-2 and a half years F2P

 

NJE03-100% F2P

 

Omali-P2P

 

Ddraiggoch06-P2P

 

Tard53-P2P

 

Myself-100% F2P[/hide]

 

 

 

Now, if you compare the two, you'll notice that the only people who actually support giving F2P updates, are a few members, and new F2P players. You'll also see that all those who are against giving F2P updates, are the long time F2P'ers(as compared to the ones who play for a month, demand more stuff, then quit) and members.

 

Contrary to what many members such as Omali assume, not all F2P'ers are pathetic beggers who just keep wanting more.Next time, do you homework before you say something.

 

 

 

 

 

lol... scootaboot isn't my RS username.. haha... :P

 

its:

 

Slaya Kid49

 

 

 

and I am a P2p from time to time...

[obfuscator]

Look at the list that omali gave of all the things that f2pers have received ABSOLUTELY FREE OF CHARGE.

 

 

 

And then the guy is posting saying (oh they are all stupid no one does them).

 

 

 

Seriously, MOST f2pers are like wild animals...you feed them once and they will never leave you alone.

 

 

 

I know when I was f2p I didn't even look at the ads. Bluelancer said that the add clicks make jagex 1 million dollars a year?

 

 

 

Lets look at the 1million members that jagex has(absolutely minimum). 1 Million x $7 us a month, x 12 months = $84 000 000.

 

 

 

Why should jagex be spending time and money to give update for 1/85 of their revenue?

[scootaboot]

Look at the list that omali gave of all the things that f2pers have received ABSOLUTELY FREE OF CHARGE.

 

 

 

And then the guy is posting saying (oh they are all stupid no one does them).

 

 

 

Seriously, MOST f2pers are like wild animals...you feed them once and they will never leave you alone.

 

 

 

I know when I was f2p I didn't even look at the ads. Bluelancer said that the add clicks make jagex 1 million dollars a year?

 

 

 

Lets look at the 1million members that jagex has(absolutely minimum). 1 Million x $7 us a month, x 12 months = $84 000 000.

 

 

 

Why should jagex be spending time and money to give update for 1/85 of their revenue?

 

 

 

There are less than 1,000,000 members on the game and do you know what happens to RuneScape without its Free Players? If it has ALWAYS been a P2p game???

 

 

 

And hehe, I bet you've never read or heard about customer service...

[obfuscator]

Look at the list that omali gave of all the things that f2pers have received ABSOLUTELY FREE OF CHARGE.

 

 

 

And then the guy is posting saying (oh they are all stupid no one does them).

 

 

 

Seriously, MOST f2pers are like wild animals...you feed them once and they will never leave you alone.

 

 

 

I know when I was f2p I didn't even look at the ads. Bluelancer said that the add clicks make jagex 1 million dollars a year?

 

 

 

Lets look at the 1million members that jagex has(absolutely minimum). 1 Million x $7 us a month, x 12 months = $84 000 000.

 

 

 

Why should jagex be spending time and money to give update for 1/85 of their revenue?

 

 

 

There are only about 100,000 members on the game and do you know what happens to RuneScape without its Free Players? If it has ALWAYS been a P2p game???

 

 

 

And hehe, I bet you've never read or heard about customer service...

 

 

 

 

 

Only 100 000 members? shows how much you pay attention to the front page.

 

 

 

Jagex made an announcement about reaching one million paying members...over half a year ago.

 

 

 

And what do you mean by the customer service part?