If a Cure for AIDS was Invented...

[user1991]

Heh, call me crazy, but I'm male and think prostitution especially in poorer countries is dehumanizing and sick. I'd never buy a hooker in a country to which your plane ticket alone costs more than what the woman earns in 6 months.

 

 

 

I refuse to cheapen a person who is somebody's sister, family member, maybe struggling in poverty, just for your own piggish needs. Sorry. And no, I'm not a feminist.

 

 

 

If anything, I'd be happy to go to a dirty rat-filled jail in Thailand for assaulting some balding 40-year old fat western guy buying sex from a kid aged 10-14. Words alone can't describe how disgusting that is..

 

 

 

Agreed

 

 

 

What do you think the cause of this is though? What puts people in that situation?

[BlueLancer]

 

What do you think the cause of this is though? What puts people in that situation?

 

 

 

I think you'll find out plenty of people in the world treat other humans as objects or 'tools' instead of living beings, this also includes americans/europeans. It's especially true when it comes to women, the poorer the country, the more inequality almost inevitably follows.

 

 

 

Feminists here should stop b*ing about western "problems" like a female's dollar being $0.80, not enough welfare money through pregnancy.. And try fixing actual problems in countries where they have it really bad. How about a woman's dollar being $0.05, no social security or health plans at all, chronic poverty and spousal abuse due to cultural norms? Try working on that...

[Bobbington]

I am not personal sure a cure for aids would be such a good thing..... along with most other major disease cures *points at bird flu*

 

 

 

The was nature is meant to work is if a species becomes to powerful and large the massive quantity of animals would be fighting for the same resources or disease would spread between them to cause major death rates and cut the population down for a sustainable number.

 

 

 

People have tested this with rats, where they force the population to grow to a point where the environment can no longer stop them.

 

 

 

 

 

Now the problem for us is....... as a species we try not to die, and sadly we have found ways to stop the mechanisms the world has in place to keep us alive long term.

 

 

 

the AIDS virus is designed to kill humans in large populations, and long term should actually be beneficial.

 

 

 

Now if they could make a treatment for AIDS what made the prosess less painful I would be all for that!

[scootlaboot]

 

What do you think the cause of this is though? What puts people in that situation?

 

 

 

I think you'll find out plenty of people in the world treat other humans as objects or 'tools' instead of living beings, this also includes americans/europeans. It's especially true when it comes to women, the poorer the country, the more inequality almost inevitably follows.

 

 

 

Feminists here should stop b*ing about western "problems" like a female's dollar being $0.80, not enough welfare money through pregnancy.. And try fixing actual problems in countries where they have it really bad. How about a woman's dollar being $0.05, no social security or health plans at all, chronic poverty and spousal abuse due to cultural norms? Try working on that...

 

 

 

Seriously, that's one of the reasons I hate feminists with a burning passion. Stop annoying us and go do something meaningful, and for the love of all that exists, do not take missionaries with you.

 

 

 

Secondly, I would like to state that AIDS was created by the government, USA, as a form of population control. Then was blamed on some non existent bisexual guy who ate a green monkey, this is what I was told in sex ed., not the government part but the bi guy part.

 

 

 

Also, AIDS does not kill. It destroys the immune system by attacking t-cells, making it so even a cold will be fatal.

[Rebdragon]

The cause of that is capitalism not over population.

 

 

 

Seriously, if we're at the point where we don't want millions of lives to be saved because we might actually have to stop consuming so many resources, you know we've gone too far.

 

 

 

Christ, if there was one post that really deserve the rolling eyes smiley, it's this one.

 

 

 

Why exactly?

 

 

 

If you're going to say I'm wrong, at least say WHY. You can't get by in a debate just by *rolling your eyes*.

 

No, no, I'm pretty sure rolling one's eyes would suffice as a response to your post.

[DieselX]

Secondly, I would like to state that AIDS was created by the government, USA, as a form of population control. Then was blamed on some non existent bisexual guy who ate a green monkey, this is what I was told in sex ed., not the government part but the bi guy part.

 

Oh, I was told it was the aliens who created it as sort of test to see what it'd do To then of course, procceed to eat the corpses.

 

 

 

 

 

TheTrueNoob is kinda right though. Rich countries buy stuff cheap off of poor countries. In africa, they make coffee beans grow, then the big corporations decide the price of what they will pay: something like 1 cent a ton(nah but seriously.. like 25 cent a ton). The farmers have barely enough to live. Then the companies re-sell it for major profits. Like, a coffee pot sold for 8$ cost like 1$ to them plus transportation/packaging. So the companies get richer, and the owners waste their money buying islands and building palaces on them. The consumers lose money... the poor famers lose money.. and everyone is unhappy except the corporations. Eliminate the middle-men, and everyone on the planet can afford to eat. That's what's implied when he/she blames capitalism. Sorry if you didn't catch that * :roll: * :P

[user1991]

The cause of that is capitalism not over population.

 

 

 

Seriously, if we're at the point where we don't want millions of lives to be saved because we might actually have to stop consuming so many resources, you know we've gone too far.

 

 

 

Christ, if there was one post that really deserve the rolling eyes smiley, it's this one.

 

 

 

Why exactly?

 

 

 

If you're going to say I'm wrong, at least say WHY. You can't get by in a debate just by *rolling your eyes*.

 

No, no, I'm pretty sure rolling one's eyes would suffice as a response to your post.

 

 

 

It's all good when you have the consensus, isn't it?

[Faux]

It's all good when you have the consensus, isn't it?

 

 

 

No, it's the fact that you're blaming capitalism for the food crisis.

 

 

 

Yes, capitalism means the richer countries will have food. But it doesn't cause the food crisis.

[Faux]

Wow, you're insane.

 

 

 

Even with more population, people just adapt and scientists find new ingenious ways to produce food, or introduce food rations(no more obese)! That's the best way to do it. Wishing people dead because you're afraid for yourself is cheap and cowardly. Look at japan, there are more than 128 million people on that little island, do they kill each other for space and food? No, they found all sorts of clever ways to economise space and cultivate/import food, and their culture and economy is thriving, with some of the lowest criminality rates in the world. And at the rate technology is going, in a few dozen years, underwater cities, floating cities or north/south-pole heated cities, space cities, or w/e, will all be possible.

 

 

 

Besides, adequate punishment for your cowardise is that you die from aids yourself. We'll see if you enjoy being collateral damage. -.-

 

 

 

Omg, and then maybe we can ride in a rainbow-colored spaceship and fly to the moon.

 

 

 

That's cute and all, but you do realize that people are starving even now right? Great that Japan can do so, but that's Japan. They have the biggest economy next to the US. How about the more than 100 other countries that aren't as lucky as Japan?

 

 

 

I don't wish anyone to have AIDS. I'm just saying that if you got it, tough luck.

[user1991]

It's all good when you have the consensus, isn't it?

 

 

 

No, it's the fact that you're blaming capitalism for the food crisis.

 

 

 

Yes, capitalism means the richer countries will have food. But it doesn't cause the food crisis.

 

 

 

Capitalism is at the core of every single one of the direct reasons for the global food crisis.

 

 

 

The entire reason that food is produced/exchanged in this way is because capitalist systems demand this through their very nature.

[Rebdragon]

And what's your alternative? Fairy land where everyone can live off the chocolate buttercups growing out of the flowers?

 

 

 

Technically speaking, there is barely enough food in this world to feed everyone one it. Not barely in the sense that's it's feasibly possible to feed everyone, but in the sense that it would require and absolute perfect redistribution of food, where everyone eats exactly the same small amount. That kind of barely.

 

 

 

Meh, blame capitalism all you want, I don't care. Just know that expecting the entire human race to all be saints isn't going to get you anywhere.

[Zierro]

And what's your alternative? Fairy land where everyone can live off the chocolate buttercups growing out of the flowers?

 

 

 

Technically speaking, there is barely enough food in this world to feed everyone one it. Not barely in the sense that's it's feasibly possible to feed everyone, but in the sense that it would require and absolute perfect redistribution of food, where everyone eats exactly the same small amount. That kind of barely.

 

 

 

Meh, blame capitalism all you want, I don't care. Just know that expecting the entire human race to all be saints isn't going to get you anywhere.

 

 

 

Would it be foolish if I said, "Stealing is bad," because I'm supposed to expect humankind to be imperfect?

[Rebdragon]

You're not getting my point. I'm not saying that "stealing is bad" is a foolish statement, I'm saying "I bet it's possible we could live in a world without stealing" is a naive one.

[user1991]

And what's your alternative? Fairy land where everyone can live off the chocolate buttercups growing out of the flowers?

 

 

 

Technically speaking, there is barely enough food in this world to feed everyone one it. Not barely in the sense that's it's feasibly possible to feed everyone, but in the sense that it would require and absolute perfect redistribution of food, where everyone eats exactly the same small amount. That kind of barely.

 

 

 

Meh, blame capitalism all you want, I don't care. Just know that expecting the entire human race to all be saints isn't going to get you anywhere.

 

 

 

What?

 

 

 

There is more than enough food for everyone to have a decent amount. Sure, we're not talking huge feasts and banquets in palaces and chateaus, but that's the price we have to pay if we want a more equal society.

 

 

 

"The world does produce enough to feed everyone. But the food is often in the wrong place, or unaffordable, or can't be stored long enough. So making sure everyone has enough to eat is more about politics than science."

 

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4038205.stm

 

 

 

You're trying to ridicule my argument with this "fairy land" when you know full well that without this system in which the profits of corporate agribusiness are deemed to be more important than the lives of foreign people who are not lucky enough to have been born in "developed" (certainly not ideologically) countries it is entirely possible for us to at least put a huge dent in the problem that is world hunger.

 

 

 

My solution? We slowly get rid of capitalism. Just admit it, you put your "right to excess" before the lives of people born into countries where the only way they can even attempt to survive is to partake in this system.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Technically speaking, there is barely enough food in this world to feed everyone one it. Not barely in the sense that's it's feasibly possible to feed everyone, but in the sense that it would require and absolute perfect redistribution of food, where everyone eats exactly the same small amount. That kind of barely.

 

So what? We turn over, go to sleep, eat more food than we need, throw mountains of the stuff away each and every year and not care about how thousands in the third world will die every month because they're not being basic security. Is that your attitude on domestic policies?

 

 

 

Oh look at that corruption in the government. Well, we could fight it, but it's always gonna be there so why honestly bother?

 

 

 

If supermarkets stopped selling deliberately at a loss to get more people through their stores, if we paid farmers in the third world a fair amount for their produce, I'm not saying it would completely solve the problem, but it would help.

 

 

 

Like or not, roll your eyes, whatever. The only food crisis here is due to capitalism.

[user1991]

Technically speaking, there is barely enough food in this world to feed everyone one it. Not barely in the sense that's it's feasibly possible to feed everyone, but in the sense that it would require and absolute perfect redistribution of food, where everyone eats exactly the same small amount. That kind of barely.

 

So what? We turn over, go to sleep, eat more food than we need, throw mountains of the stuff away each and every year and not care about how thousands in the third world will die every month because they're not being basic security. Is that your attitude on domestic policies?

 

 

 

Oh look at that corruption in the government. Well, we could fight it, but it's always gonna be there so why honestly bother?

 

 

 

If supermarkets stopped selling deliberately at a loss to get more people through their stores, if we paid farmers in the third world a fair amount for their produce, I'm not saying it would completely solve the problem, but it would help.

 

 

 

Like or not, roll your eyes, whatever. The only food crisis here is due to capitalism.

 

 

 

I agree with you 100%.

 

 

 

People here act like capitalism is the only way of going about things and "oh, well it's like this now, and you honestly expect US to change? These people born into poverty, forced to work into poverty with absolutely no chance of escaping it except some sort of miracle are OBVIOUSLY not trying hard enough. When there's a will there's a way. Pull 'emselves up by their boostraps!" I know it's rare for the right (well, what I consider right wing, the actual spectrum has been distorted) to be accused of being naive, but really it's true.

 

 

 

Naive and selfish.

 

 

 

PS. Who are you voting for in 2010?

[Faux]

Capitalism is at the core of every single one of the direct reasons for the global food crisis.

 

 

 

The entire reason that food is produced/exchanged in this way is because capitalist systems demand this through their very nature.

 

 

 

Yet you ignore that the only reason why the world produces as much food as it does is because of capitalism.

[user1991]

Capitalism is at the core of every single one of the direct reasons for the global food crisis.

 

 

 

The entire reason that food is produced/exchanged in this way is because capitalist systems demand this through their very nature.

 

 

 

Yet you ignore that the only reason why the world produces as much food as it does is because of capitalism.

 

 

 

There is nothing to suggest that as much or even more food could not be produced under a different system.

[Faux]

There is nothing to suggest that as much or even more food could not be produced under a different system.

What system would this be?

[user1991]

There is nothing to suggest that as much or even more food could not be produced under a different system.

What system would this be?

 

 

 

Give me one reason why we couldn't produce as much food with socialism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[And just for the record, I'm not even a socialist really. I'm far more left than that, but we can't get there overnight. We have to be pragmatic about the situation we are in. So whilst I disagree with the concept of government, I still vote because the only way to make it better is from the inside - out.]

[Faux]

Give me one reason why we couldn't produce as much food with socialism.

 

 

 

I'm not doing your homework for you kid

[Howlin0001]

Heh, call me crazy, but I'm male and think prostitution especially in poorer countries is dehumanizing and sick. I'd never buy a hooker in a country to which your plane ticket alone costs more than what the woman earns in 6 months.

 

 

 

I refuse to cheapen a person who is somebody's sister, family member, maybe struggling in poverty, just for your own piggish needs. Sorry. And no, I'm not a feminist.

 

 

 

If anything, I'd be happy to go to a dirty rat-filled jail in Thailand for assaulting some balding 40-year old fat western guy buying sex from a kid aged 10-14. Words alone can't describe how disgusting that is..

 

 

 

Same but I probley wouldn't do the assaulting bit because then when your in jail who knows what stuff you would get from there :?

[DieselX]

Great that Japan can do so, but that's Japan. They have the biggest economy next to the US. How about the more than 100 other countries that aren't as lucky as Japan?

 

It is a question of effort, not of luck. Did you think Japan was just born with a good economy? They worked their way to what they are now. All that's needed is faith, and a little cooperation, and great things are possible. It's amazingly simple.

 

 

 

Yet you block at "Oh, well, it's not possible", there is no rational basis behind that. It is possible, the only reason it's not happening is because people believe that's it's not possible so they don't even bother trying.

 

 

 

What system would this be?

 

Smart building. Since we're talking about Japan, remember how I said 128 million people are on that tiny island? There is roughly 60M people in each of France/Italy/Germany/Uk, etc. If we could reproduce even 1/4 of the space-saving strategies of the japanese, massive amounts of agricultural-potent land would be cleared. If we started applying these techniques immediately, in a couple of decades, it would already show great results. And in the following hundred of years, a massive difference, and a flawless set-up for all centuries to come.

[user1991]

Give me one reason why we couldn't produce as much food with socialism.

 

 

 

I'm not doing your homework for you kid

 

 

 

1. I'm not a "kid".

 

 

 

2. I don't have homework.

 

 

 

Capitalism is unjustifiable. Socialism has flaws yes, but it is better than what we have now. If we have to slowly and slowly go through consecutive systems which are even just a little bit better than the last one until we get to a decent system, that is much better than declaring "oh, well, it's like this now, therefore it can never change", and sticking with the most stupid system of all time.

 

 

 

You want another idea? Microcredit. It isn't perfect but it's better than this steaming pile of [cabbage] we have now.

[Faux]

Great that Japan can do so, but that's Japan. They have the biggest economy next to the US. How about the more than 100 other countries that aren't as lucky as Japan?

 

It is a question of effort, not of luck. Did you think Japan was just born with a good economy? They worked their way to what they are now. All that's needed is faith, and a little cooperation, and great things are possible. It's amazingly simple.

 

 

 

Yet you block at "Oh, well, it's not possible", there is no rational basis behind that. It is possible, the only reason it's not happening is because people believe that's it's not possible so they don't even bother trying.

 

 

 

What system would this be?

 

Smart building. Since we're talking about Japan, remember how I said 128 million people are on that tiny island? There is roughly 60M people in each of France/Italy/Germany/Uk, etc. If we could reproduce even 1/4 of the space-saving strategies of the japanese, massive amounts of agricultural-potent land would be cleared. If we started applying these techniques immediately, in a couple of decades, it would already show great results. And in the following hundred of years, a massive difference, and a flawless set-up for all centuries to come.

 

 

 

Not every country has the same resources as Japan. A GOOD WORKFORCE isn't something every country has. Sure you can say "they have the potential to" but it still means nothing.

 

 

 

Give me one reason why we couldn't produce as much food with socialism.

 

 

 

I'm not doing your homework for you kid

 

 

 

1. I'm not a "kid".

 

 

 

2. I don't have homework.

 

 

 

Capitalism is unjustifiable. Socialism has flaws yes, but it is better than what we have now. If we have to slowly and slowly go through consecutive systems which are even just a little bit better than the last one until we get to a decent system, that is much better than declaring "oh, well, it's like this now, therefore it can never change", and sticking with the most stupid system of all time.

 

 

 

You want another idea? Microcredit. It isn't perfect but it's better than this steaming pile of [cabbage] we have now.

 

 

 

I don't understand how you proved socialism produces as well as capitalism.