Effective Skilling in PvP worlds (under construction)

[buttwhoopchi]

(MAJOR NOTE! With the recent new post explaining how PvP drops work, this guide will focus SOLELY on escaping certain doom. If you want to get kills, look up a PKing guide.)

 

 

 

Table of Contents

 

 

 

1. Introduction

 

2. Safezones and Escape Routes

 

3. Slayer Survival and Other Combat-Related Concerns

 

4. Non-Combat Skills (will expand when more data is collected)

 

 

 

1. Introduction

 

 

 

(this section is a work in progress)

 

 

 

Ever get fed up with overcrowding and other players stealing your training spots? PvP worlds offer the ability to kill (or otherwise chase off) those rival skillers that seek to disturb your peaceful training. But, this comes at a price. Those rival skillers can also kill you for the very same thing! Also, players here just to PK seek out unwary skillers to pick them off for easy kills. This guide seeks to describe how to avoid death at the hands of a PvP-world PKer.

 

 

 

 

 

2. Safezones and Escape Routes

 

The majority of banks in Runescape are safe areas where you cannot be attacked. Lumbridge Castle in particular is the largest safezone in the game, occupying the entire castle courtyard, upper floors, and basement (but excluding the Dorgeshu'un tunnels, so beware). However, there are a few banks that do not lend themselves well to banking. Bounty Hunter (BH) and Fist of Guthix (FoG) have banks, but no accompanying safezones. BH bank is also multicombat, which means clans can tear you to pieces in seconds as soon as you arrive. FoG bank is single combat, but if you are teleblocked, your only escape route is into a multicombat Wilderness area. For these reasons, avoid both of these banks.

 

 

 

Castle Wars has a bank with a safezone, but since the teleport places you in an attackable position, PKers often camp here. If you're used to using a ring of dueling as a teleport hub, it's time to change tactics. There are three alternate methods: banking in Lumbridge, banking in Edgeville, and teleporting to your house (POH) and using house portals with scrying pools. Edgeville might seem like a bad idea, but as long as you know where to run as soon as you finish teleporting, you should be okay. Even though many PKers fight in Edgeville, they're too busy fighting each other to take notice of a random person coming in to bank. If this scares you, you can bank in Lumbridge instead, since you have a safezone all the way from the teleport location to a bank. Those with high (74+ with best tea and crystal saw) construction can use scrying pools in their POH to scout teleport locations for PKers. If you adopt this third method, set up portals for every possible location except Yanille. Since Yanille teleport takes you to the top of the watchtower, you will not be ambushed by any PKers. (If you are still worried, you can omit Lumbridge instead; that teleport places you in a safezone.)

 

 

 

3. Slayer Survival and Other PvM Concerns

 

 

 

Certain slayer tasks are heavily camped on non-PvP worlds:

 

 

 

[hide=Crowded Slayer assignments (Duradel only)]Kalphite

 

Metal Dragons

 

Abyssal Demons

 

Fire Giants

 

Dust Devils

 

Black Demons

 

Black Dragons

 

Greater Demons

 

Hellhounds

 

Waterfiends

 

(I only list those tasks assigned by Duradel. Other slayer tasks may suffer from overcrowding, but I have no experience with them and thus cannot comment.)[/hide]

 

 

 

Dealing with PKers while slaying is made difficult by the fact that the monsters you're fighting will...well...fight you. And things that fight you tend to deal damage. And by the time a PKer has come, you've taken a lot of damage. So the main focus here is on escaping alive. Each monster will require a different setup, but a few basic rules apply to all. First, keep your HP and prayer high. Second, keep plenty of powerful food on hand - sharks or better. Third, avoid using food to heal - bring a bunyip/healing familiar, bones to peaches runes/tablets, or Guthan's equipment set. Finally, BRING A TELEPORT. You will be nowhere near a bank, so this is your only escape route.

 

 

 

[hide=Dust Devils]Dustdevils aren't too difficult to kill in non-PvP, but at peak times your kill rate can be slowed significantly, and if you're trying to safespot-range in the smoky well near Pollnivneach, meleers will often steal your kills. Fighting these creatures in a PvP world is rather simple. I advise the smoky well near Pollnivneach as the desert does not often see a PKer, and the need to wear a facemask or slayer helm is a hefty deterrent. In the rare event you DO meet a PKer, though, you'll need a few basic supplies. Bring dragonhide to guard against magic attack if you're meleeing; otherwise, bring dragonhide anyway because you need the ranging bonus. Dust devils often drop ugthanki kebabs which heal 19 HP each, making maintaining high HP and lots of survival food relatively easy.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Iron and Steel Dragons]Metal dragons are heavily hunted by players on assignment hoping for a draconic visage, and players NOT on assignment, but also hoping for a draconic visage. As a result, it can be difficult to kill them in any reasonable amount of time, no matter how powerful you are. Funny how the threat of PKers tends to scare everyone away, though...

 

 

 

There are three strategies for fighting metal dragons in a PvP world, and all three are very similar to their non-PvP counterparts: melee, magic, and ranged. Ranged is the safest method to use, magic offers the best chance for a PK, and melee is (arguably) the fastest method to kill them. Yet since this area rarely has PKers, the PvP aspect will not greatly affect your killing strategy. Just don't bring anything you're not willing to lose.

 

 

 

If you melee, you will be at grievous risk from mages, as your metal armor is easily pierced, and against mage/something-else hybrids your proselyte will offer little protection against the something-else. Plus, since to melee you will have to bring prayer AND antifire potions, you will have little room for food. If you melee your metal dragon assignment, and you get TBed, expect an abrupt change of scenery and a distinct lack of a few items. You can bring dragonhide, but you won't last as long as a ranger in the same situation.

 

 

 

If you range, you'll have the upper hand against mages, being able to resist their spells and pierce their robes with great ease. Additionally, since you don't have to worry about melee attacks from dragons, you can bring just antifire potions, leaving more room for food than a meleer would have. If you meet a mage/something-else PKer hybrid, though, you may still be at a disadvantage. Be prepared to run if you think you can't win against another player.

 

 

 

I do not recommend maging metal dragons unless you intend to PK, as the quantity of runes you must bring is a significant and unnecessary risk, and unless you bring Ahrim's robes you'll be an easily-killed target to EVERYONE. And if you bring Ahrim's robes you're risking Barrows equipment. If you do decide to mage, bring TB runes and your best PK gear. Otherwise your would-be victims will just teleport away and render your bringing magic equipment completely pointless.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Fire Giants]The Baxtorian Waterfall is infested with pure rangers (or other people who aren't you), the Chaos Tunnels are multicombat, Brimhaven Dungeon has those cursed dogs, and the Wilderness has revenants. Guess what? PvP time! This is a wonderfully easy task to complete in PvP. Simply pay a visit to the Baxtorian Waterfall. Odds are no PKer is going to bother with Glarial's amulet, a rope, and aggressive prayer-draining spiders to get to you when other, easier opportunities are available. Just in case, bring dragonhide and a teleport along with your usual giant-killing outfit. A prayer potion can be put to good use if the shadow spiders drain your prayer significantly. Your main threat here will be other players like you looking for a quiet place to train.

 

 

 

Although it is possible to kill fire giants in the wilderness, if a PKer comes you will not be able to teleport. Use this area with extreme caution.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Abyssal Demons]Abyssal Demons tend to be crowded in the slayer tower. Although it is possible to kill them decently fast in normal worlds, overcrowding is sufficient to warrant using a PvP world instead. Avoid the slayer tower; PKers love to visit Canifis and the surrounding area. You're much better off using the fairy ring code ALR to kill these monsters. Here, you can slay like you normally would, since PKers won't likely have Dramen staves lying around. But, if one does find you, running will be difficult. Teleporting as soon as you see a white dot is not a bad idea.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Greater Demons]To kill greater demons, you either need to go into deep multicombat Wilderness, go through Entrana and make your own equipment, forego retrieving your ammo and loot in the Ogre Enclave, or deal with wild dogs and overcrowding in Brimhaven Dungeon. PvP worlds have the advantage of removing the overcrowding from Brimhaven dungeon, so assuming you can handle the wild dogs, this is where you should kill them. (Otherwise you're better off with other options, or perhaps blocking these entirely.) As normal, bring your toughest melee armor - don't worry about barrows repair costs - and dragonhide should you get attacked.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Hellhounds]This is a tricky one. You have two options: wilderness and Taverly dungeon. Wilderness yields much hotspot time, yet carries a significant PKer risk; Taverly has a similar risk, but allows teleporting at the first sign of trouble and allows safespotting. If you want to fight back against an attacker, Taverly's your best bet.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Waterfiends]Kill these normally. PKers will get harassed by the waterfiends and brutal green dragons and be unable to aggress you. Your biggest concern is that guy who's been camping them for a while and lost aggro.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Black Demons]For these, you have several options. The Wilderness offers a hotspot with a safespot, the Chaos Tunnels yield charms in a multicombat area, and Taverly dungeon offers a good safespot. However, black demons live in level 6 wilderness, allowing easy teleport - your only concern should be the increased power of PKers in this area.[/hide]

 

 

 

4. Non-Combat Skills (will expand when more data is collected)

 

 

 

Certain skills can be trained easily on a PvP world without any risk. Crafting, fletching, and herblore can all be trained at a bank, meaning these skills are exactly the same on a PvP world as a non-PvP world. Fishing, smithing, agility, summoning, cooking, runecrafting, woodcutting, farming, construction, prayer, thieving, and firemaking have little to no competition issues in non-PvP and require an inventory dedicated to skilling to be most effective, so training these skills in PvP is quite dangerous. (I will attempt a detailed guide of how to train these skills in PvP either when I obtain brawling gloves for the corresponding skills or when I get around to training them, whichever comes first.)

 

 

 

Some skills are not worth training in PvP or excessively dangerous to train:

 

 

 

[hide=Construction]Construction is the prime-example, numero uno don't-train-this-in-PvP skill. It is utterly impossible to train this skill and build drop potential. Im. Poss. Ible. The only place you can train this skill at all is inside your POH, where your drop potential does not increase. Ever. Don't even bother with this skill in PvP no matter how brave you are. You'll gain nothing.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Prayer and Summoning]Prayer is almost as bad as construction. While it is possible to stay outside a bank and train this skill, this means you'll be burying bones, which is inefficient for EXP anyway. If you use a POH altar to train, you'll be in a safezone way too long to gain any drop potential. The only practical way to gain drop potential while training prayer is to use the ectofuntus.

 

 

 

Summoning is another bad skill to train in PvP, for the same reasons as prayer. Frequent bank trips mean you won't be risking 75k long enough to matter.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Crafting, fletching, and herblore]Crafting, fletching, and herblore can all be trained inside a bank. Fortunately, these three skills stay put, so you can use an unsafe bank to train, such as Fist of Guthix or Bounty Hunter. The major problem here is that a safezone is a long way away - and you have little room for food (maybe room for two if you're crafting). Keep a house teleport in your inventory, wear your best magic defense, and teleport as soon as you see a white dot. Or, stay in a safezone and keep your hair.[/hide]

 

 

 

Other skills, though dangerous, are not as problematic as the above:

 

 

 

[hide=Hunter]If you're going to hunt in a PvP world, you need armor in addition to the box traps and camo. Bring a tough shield, your best weapon, a strong cape, and dragonhide.

 

 

 

The type of PKer typically encountered here is either a 40-60 pure in normal pure gear or a 90-110 entangler/TBer wearing mystic robes. The TBers can come in pairs, so it's not always advised to stand your ground even if you're PK-skilling.

 

 

 

If you can equip yourself to PK, do so. You'll be 8-9 slots short due to box traps and larupia gear, but if you focus on not dying, this won't matter. Bring Saradomin brews instead of sharks to outlast non-skiller PKers, and super restores to keep your stats high in a long fight. 3 brews to 1 super restore is the optimum balance for this strategy. (You won't have to bank nearly as often, and you might get lucky and PK a PKer.)

 

 

 

If you have 73+ hunter, you can bring an imp box to bank your chinchompas if attacked. For this, bring nothing but skiller gear - and maybe a tough shield so you can have time to bank your chinchompas. If attacked, use chinchompas -> imp box to insta-bank your catch. Taunt your attacker, die (or escape for added insult), replace your box traps, repeat.

 

 

 

If you have access to the fairy ring network, you can escape through the Feldip Hills fairy ring even when teleblocked. Be warned, though, as the fairy rings are a one-way trip if you're fleeing combat. If your attacker came prepared with his/her own Dramen staff, you may well find yourself under attack in Zanaris. Fortunately, the bank is not far away.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Mining]Mining prohibits going on the attack like the above skills, but is prone to competition depending on where you mine. If you're mining iron, runite, or granite, you might find some stern competition on non-PvP worlds. PvP worlds are a fair bit riskier here since unless you're powermining you can't bring food, but this can be dealt with (for iron, coal, and granite, anyway) by bringing only a pickaxe, an amulet of glory (for extra gems), and Varrock Armor (any level), and mining away. If you're near a major town, expect to die at least once, and make sure you're willing to take the interruptions to your training.

 

 

 

If you want to gather drop potential, you'll need to risk 75k worth of items. To accomplish this, equip rune pickaxe, rune kiteshield, Neitiznot helm, amulet of glory, black d'hide top+bottom, mystic gloves, and mystic boots. The first three items listed will protect; amulet of glory will protect if you protect item, which you should only do upon being attacked. You will gain drop value in this outfit so long as you do not protect the amulet of glory. If you die, you should lose only 25k worth of gear. Alternatively, you can equip cheaply and use 12.5k bronze arrows to push your risk over 75k.

 

 

 

(An entirely different tactic is required for runite ore. Since its value is the reason it's mined, equip yourself to fend off would-be PKers, and aim for staying alive at all costs. Once I get 85 mining, I will expand this section.)[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Fishing]The Fishing Guild is a safezone, so it's not really of interest. If you have level 2 Fremmenik Achievement Diary boots, you can catch swordfish and tuna in Relleka and bank your catch with Peer the Seer. Bring some food and a teleport, though, as this place sees many PKers. Bring magic defense to avoid certain doom from teleblock+melee. To risk your 75k, you can either use armor or arrow/bolt ammunition. Karil's is recommended if you're going to risk armor - black d'hide is cheap and does not protect over more expensive items. If attacked, either teleport or try to get to Miscellania. If you reach Miscellania, you can shortcut-hop to Etceteria and be (relatively) safe.[/hide]

 

 

 

{add guides for smithing, agility, cooking, runecrafting, woodcutting, farming, thieving, and firemaking}

 

 

 

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I know this is just a work in progress. With that in mind, if there's anything I can change or you would like to see added, let me know and I'll do what I can. ^.^

[JRD111]

Nice start, you're braver than I am :P

 

 

 

 

 

Why don't you do a section at the start about brawling gloves, and add the possible uses for brawling gloves, eg powermining iron/wildy agil course/alching outside clan wars etc.

 

 

 

Good Effort so far

[Mr_Adam]

OMG ur gide is teh laemz!

 

 

 

Jk, I actually read (most of) it all. But the main question that comes to mind for me, is how often do pkers come to random parts of the world to kill skillers? With the drop rates being unreliable, is it worth a pker's time? Also, I'd prefer less things than more. You look more ready to pk than skill, I think.

 

You should also mention Brawler's Gloves.

 

 

 

I'd like to see how it develops though, and see how this fleshes out.

[lebst]

Generally when I was hunting chins in pvp worlds a pker would come every 50-100 chins (with 4 box traps) which still beats the heck out of finding an empty world, especially during peak times.

 

 

 

edit-also if the pker is alone (generally they come in 2s but if they do...) it's pretty easy to fight back since they generally wear ahrims or mystic with barely any defense :)

[Eatmyr2h]

Very Nice start, keep it up! :thumbsup:

[buttwhoopchi]

OMG ur gide is teh laemz!

 

 

 

Jk, I actually read (most of) it all. But the main question that comes to mind for me, is how often do pkers come to random parts of the world to kill skillers? With the drop rates being unreliable, is it worth a pker's time? Also, I'd prefer less things than more. You look more ready to pk than skill, I think.

 

You should also mention Brawler's Gloves.

 

 

 

I'd like to see how it develops though, and see how this fleshes out.

 

 

 

Brawling gloves will only be listed in the PK-skilling section as you have to PK to get them. However, I can split the survival guide and the PK guide so that the two aren't as closely connected. As for fending off PKers, I'll shift to mentioning the typical encounter and rate.

 

 

 

Thanks for the feedback!

 

 

 

EDIT: I've added sections on how to kill dust devils near Pollnivneach and metal dragons in Brimhaven dungeon, and made minor changes to the chinchompa guide. Still definitely working on the guide.

[Salad]

Good guide, I like it.

 

 

 

Btw, killing aviansie on a PvP world is NOT advised, often pkers are hided in avs killer and chat with you for a while, waiting for their team to come and when they come on the minimap, the "Avs killer" gonna attack you so you can't log and tb you. I know alot because I got trapped once, without a teletab -.-

[captainpoet]

A useful mining strategy for pvp is to mine at the hobgoblin mines. The hobgoblins provide protection from pkers, and you have time to log while they attack the hobgoblins to get to you. As well there is an abundant supply of iron, mith, coal, and addy. It is also useful as a hot spot to get up your hot spot points for future pking.

 

 

 

As well, it's not that far of a run southwest to an anvil to smith some bolt tips to make (if you use superheat) that way you don't need to bank as often. It's recommended to bring a bunyip for healing, or if you're using a lava titan for the mining boost, then put on a d body, and d chaps.

[buttwhoopchi]

Given the recent updates to PvP worlds, there is now a benefit to training ANY skill while risking your carapace. This guide will focus on staying alive while training any skill.

 

 

 

Once I get around to updating it further.

 

 

 

Which will be soon.

 

 

 

Curse you finals week.

 

 

 

A useful mining strategy for pvp is to mine at the hobgoblin mines. The hobgoblins provide protection from pkers, and you have time to log while they attack the hobgoblins to get to you. As well there is an abundant supply of iron, mith, coal, and addy. It is also useful as a hot spot to get up your hot spot points for future pking.

 

 

 

As well, it's not that far of a run southwest to an anvil to smith some bolt tips to make (if you use superheat) that way you don't need to bank as often. It's recommended to bring a bunyip for healing, or if you're using a lava titan for the mining boost, then put on a d body, and d chaps.

 

 

 

The hobgoblin mine is far from a safe bank. The nearest bank that won't kill you quickly is Edgeville, and it's a long hike back. You're better off mining iron near Yanille and banking there, despite the fact that that's not a hotzone.

[blurrythorn]

One thing you could do in a PVP world is to alch in Nardah in one of the houses there, you could also enchant bolts. I alched for 3 hours straight and never saw anyone. :thumbsup:

[justcallmedaddy]

Good guide, this guide has some serious potential if you keep up the effort and update.

[ddddrrr]

As a PvP skiller myself, i will give you some tips for the guide.

 

 

 

First: ladders, staircases, etc are your best friend for escaping - go up/down them alot and then log out. Here is quite a few places i prefer to use

 

 

 

MTA: Non-hotspot, but ive never seen another player here, can be great profit and mage exp - and i find the best cash from 26king to be 1 kill every 4 hours (avg 2.5m loot, + a pair of brawlerS)

 

 

 

Brimhaven gold rocks: Bank in house, 400 ores a hour for normal pvp time, great profit + the avg 2.5m/4 hours (and a pair of brawls)

 

 

 

MY favorite spot: Range black drags without banking in lava maze safespot, no pkers go there and if you see one, 3 brews/5 sharks allowed me to escape 3 ahrim pkers, as i got to the ladder and used it to log. I reccomend a kill every 2 hours, avg 2,5m loot.

 

 

 

Good wc/fm exp, great if your going for wgs: bring 20k trading sticks to brimhaven, and a tinderbox, cut 26 mahogs and then burn them, go back in and cut 26 more, repeat.

 

 

 

Theiving knights in ardy - lure 1 into a house @ close door

 

 

 

Wraiths: Just do em normally, no pker carrys a jennica ring.

 

 

 

Dag kings: Lol did a 3 hr trip here got 2 zerkers 1 warrior made 4m prof killed a friend got fury - 6.5m prof in 3 hour tyvm

 

 

 

Spirit mages (MUST BE IN SECOND GWD RIFT AT SARA! PKERS NORMALLY DONT GO DOWN THERE!) Tele immediately if you see a white dot. pkers here pk in teams, and unless you feel like escaping to the boss room and waiting out your 5 min tb while the pkers scramble to get 40 kc, you will die. Always risk 75k, and take advantage of this new way to double-task, making an additional 400k normal/700k hotspot avg, doing nothing but keeping an eye for pkers. If i see a player at any of my spots, i always hop, they might call a friend.

[buttwhoopchi]

While your tips on how to gain hotspot potential look sound, I must ask you to remove the 25k-ing info. I look down on it with great disrespect, and will not have any of it in my guide.

 

 

 

I haven't updated this guide in a while...time to take another look at it.

[red_Fat1]

For greater demons u can kill them above KBD lair, when you see a white dot u can go down the ladder into the kbd lair hit a teletab before the KBD hits u and ur good as gold.

 

 

 

Might wanna add the chaos tunnels for some slayer tasks too Pkers wouldn't go their too much i think.

[Troacctid]

For bank-tethered skills like herblore or fletching, the bank at Oo'glog is a great spot, because you can stand on the square just outside the bank without being in a safe zone, and you can still bank. Also, if you're attacked (which is going to be pretty rare considering the seclusion of the spot) you can run to the spa pools and jump in, and they can't hit you. Then you can just go to the thermal bath and be restored to more than your max hp.

 

 

 

It's also great because you can train woodcutting at the eucalyptus trees and bank without entering a safe zone. Eucalyptus trees are one of the best training methods for woodcutting, superior to willows or yews.

 

 

 

Furthermore, it's also among the best spots in the game for training firemaking, with lots of open space. You could also use it for moneymaking by buying from the meat shop just north of the bank--it's fast cash, and you build drop potential.

 

 

 

And of course, unlike FoG or BH, the bank has a safe zone as well, so it's much easier to escape.

[coldsorcu]

Wouldn't training agi at Ape Atoll be a good way to increase drop chance? Get lots of ammunition and run around in circles, you can't be attacked in Monkey Form I think (and PK-ers coming without it, will get pwned by ze guard :thumbsup: ) ? Or is it a safespot?

[opeious]

Wouldn't training agi at Ape Atoll be a good way to increase drop chance? Get lots of ammunition and run around in circles, you can't be attacked in Monkey Form I think (and PK-ers coming without it, will get pwned by ze guard :thumbsup: ) ? Or is it a safespot?

 

oh... u blew it...

 

I did it a LOT made a lot of drop potential from it in 4 hrs i saw only one player other than me there, my friend whom i called to check it out.

[warren211]

Love the guide. I slay in pvp frequently so the tips there aren't new to me, but everything else can be pretty helpful.

 

 

 

One thing you might want to note to slayers is that if you're meleeing in pvp, slayer helmets and rune defenders have very low alch values and almost anything will protect over them. Almost all runes will protect over rune defenders, and black d'hide will protect over slayer helmets! Therefore if you have either of these in your equipment while slaying in pvp, you should either teleport/run as soon as a white dot is sighted or if you get tbed and entangled begin to drop EVERYTHING that will protect over these items. I personally suggest bringing neither of these items as well as other ones with low alch values and replacing them with something easier to return. If you have a zammy book, use that over a defender as you can get it back for free. As for the helmet, use anything but the slayer helm as if you lose it you'll have to spend another 600k for the black mask back to make a new helm.