2, Using someone else's wireless internet is not illegal in most country's,

 

Oh really? Citation needed.

 

Note : it may be that many countries do not have explicit laws against using someone else's wireless internet, but it might sill be forbidden under more general theft laws.

 

Can't you read? In the U.S its not a federal regulated law, it is not illegal in most U.S states. It is under petty theft for hacking into a secured network.

2, Using someone else's wireless internet is not illegal in most country's,

 

Oh really? Citation needed.

 

Note : it may be that many countries do not have explicit laws against using someone else's wireless internet, but it might sill be forbidden under more general theft laws.

 

Can't you read? In the U.S its not a federal regulated law, it is not illegal in most U.S states. It is under petty theft for hacking into a secured network.

 

The USA is not "most countries".

 

Furthermore, are you claiming "petty theft" is not illegal?

 

Please provide evidence that it is not illegal in most U.S. states. A link to a newspaper article will do. Maybe a wikipedia page.

2, Using someone else's wireless internet is not illegal in most country's,

 

Oh really? Citation needed.

 

Note : it may be that many countries do not have explicit laws against using someone else's wireless internet, but it might sill be forbidden under more general theft laws.

 

Can't you read? In the U.S its not a federal regulated law, it is not illegal in most U.S states. It is under petty theft for hacking into a secured network.

 

The USA is not "most countries".

 

Furthermore, are you claiming "petty theft" is not illegal?

 

Please provide evidence that it is not illegal in most U.S. states. A link to a newspaper article will do. Maybe a wikipedia page.

 

 

 

You don't understand.

 

 

 

Wireless networks emit a signal from which you may access the internet, if you put security on this network it disables your neighbors from accessing your internet, if your neighbor breaks into your network it is THEN illegal,however, if you have an unsecured network it is not illegal to access their internet due to them broadcasting a signal out to the world. However, if I use your internet,legally, to commit a felony then it is illegal.

 

 

 

Now, it is not a federal crime so it is state regulated, it may be illegal in some states,however, in most it is not.

 

 

 

I can cite numerous computer law books with no mention of this being illegal.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

 

 

 

Here's an article that sums it up well...

 

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/08/technology/personaltech/internet_piracy/index.htm

 

 

 

http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/archives/2005/07/wifi_scarfing_i.html

 

 

 

As you can see it is debatable as iti is not explicitly forbidden in the computer fraud and abuse act(first link).

That player mod is an idiot.

Wow, piggybacking on someone's wireless is a crime now? What is the world coming to?

 

You don't understand.

 

 

 

Wireless networks emit a signal from which you may access the internet, if you put security on this network it disables your neighbors from accessing your internet, if your neighbor breaks into your network it is THEN illegal,however, if you have an unsecured network it is not illegal to access their internet due to them broadcasting a signal out to the world. However, if I use your internet,legally, to commit a felony then it is illegal.

 

 

 

Now, it is not a federal crime so it is state regulated, it may be illegal in some states,however, in most it is not.

 

 

 

I can cite numerous computer law books with no mention of this being illegal.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

 

 

 

Here's an article that sums it up well...

 

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/08/technology/personaltech/internet_piracy/index.htm

 

 

 

http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/archives/2005/07/wifi_scarfing_i.html

 

 

 

As you can see it is debatable as iti is not explicitly forbidden in the computer fraud and abuse act(first link).

 

 

 

I will first off state that I think the PM went overboard and overstepped his bounds a bit.

 

 

 

But many of the arguments I see here in favor of piggybacking are quite specious.

 

 

 

I will first note that your articles are going on 4 years old. I will post links since 2005 of people being arrested for piggybacking.

 

 

 

United Kingdom, 2007 - under the Computer Misuse Act and the Communications Act.

 

United Kingdom, 2007 - let off with a warning.

 

Singapore, 2007 - 18 months' probation in lieu of up to three years' imprisonment, a $6 490 fine, or both.

 

Michigan, 2007 - resulted in a $400 fine and 40 hours of community service.

 

 

 

The specific Michigan statute states:

 

 

 

A person shall not intentionally and without authorization or by exceeding valid authorization do any of the following:

 

 

 

(a) Access or cause access to be made to a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network to acquire, alter, damage, delete, or destroy property or otherwise use the service of a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network. ...

 

 

 

 

I see also several people anecdotally mentioning (without realizing it) U.S. Code : Title 18 : Section 2511, specifically mentioning this as their excuse to piggyback:

 

 

 

 

(g) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter or chapter 121 of

 

this title for any person -

 

(i) to intercept or access an electronic communication made

 

through an electronic communication system that is configured so

 

that such electronic communication is readily accessible to the

 

general public;

 

 

 

 

But the point you are missing is that, according to the US DOJ:

 

 

 

 

Section 2511 of Title 18 prohibits the unauthorized interception, disclosure, and use of wire, oral, or electronic communications. The prohibitions are absolute, subject only to the specific exemptions in Title III. Consequently, unless an interception is specifically authorized, it is impermissible and, assuming existence of the requisite criminal intent, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2511.

 

 

 

 

That means if you don't have explicit permission, it's not your wireless to use.

 

 

 

It seems it may actually be a Federal issue in the US after all.

No, I can assure you it is not a federal crime.

 

 

 

You'll also note that one of my articles was 3 years old... The rest are fairly current I believe.

 

 

 

The one piece of evidence in the united states which you use clearly states that this is a state law passed only in michigan.

God I hate WBP (wanna be police) :| .

 

 

 

 

 

God I hate PWUATHTET (people who use acronyms then have to explain them)

 

 

 

+1. TWITPOSIIYATEI (Plus one, then what is the point of saying it if you acronym then explain it?)

Funny and stupid at the same time... I mean who would say that when a Player Moderator is there and plus why steal someone else internet... Funny thing is that a Player Moderator would actually report you for such thing. I wonder if that guy is going to get in trouble...

 

 

 

~Bomb

Unless I missed one of a few rules, I don't think there is one that says "thou shalt be reported for stealing thy neighbour's internet".

 

That means if you don't have explicit permission, it's not your wireless to use.

 

 

 

It seems it may actually be a Federal issue in the US after all.

 

 

 

I had a nice post typed out with references to definitions of "intercept" and all that, then got a forum error.

 

I'm not typing all that out again.

 

 

 

The gist was that I don't think using someone's wireless counts as intercepting it because you are not distrupting the signal and it is, in my opinion, therefore not a federal crime nor should it be.

 

 

 

It all depends on interpretation of the law. (I'd make a decent lawyer. :lol: ) (Trust me, just kidding. Please don't smart off to that)

Yes, we do.

 

 

 

No, you dont.

 

Are you sure about that?

 

 

 

 

Let law enforcement do their job if they see it unfit that using someone elses internet *gasp* is such a terrible crime.

 

 

 

You're a player moderator for an online MMORPG, its not any of your business what someone does outside of the game unless its trying to meet up in real life which this is far from being anything related to that.

 

 

 

Reporting someone for saying theyre using someone elses internet is like reporting me if i said i stole an ipod from walmart.

 

 

 

Go ahead laura, report "crimes" think it will matter,no, it won't. You'll have a hard time trying to find a set of rules to enforce,also, there are public computers which makes tracking these "criminals" very hard, then jagex has to usually contact another countries cybercrime lab, if your local police department has one. Laura, your position as a player moderator is not a police officer, your power, you aren't going to bother anyone in real-life.

 

Christ, I do not want to come off as a jerk, but you guys are making it sound like it's only police officer's jobs to report crimes. Of course I would tell if I saw you steal an iPod from Walmart (well not ingame if that's what you mean, and even if so, I already said I would not report something like that (referring to the wireless) [read previous post]), and it can be proved. Please, do not come with that attitude towards player moderators or me. I said I wouldn't report negligible crimes and you guys are taking it way out of context. If you do not think that what you put on the internet is important, a man on IMVU got arrested for admitting to murder to a friend. I would report more serious offenses, because I have been told to. Not doing so would be a lack of my duties.