Grasping the game..

[Myweponsg00d]

The way you define the "feel" of the game is different from others. What I'm trying to say is that don't try to imply your wish of playing on others. Each prefers his own way to play and each has a different way of defining a particular game's essence.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

Your argument makes no sense. You are telling Yourgone to not do exactly what YOU ARE DOING. You are just saying the opposite of what he is saying. So according to your logic I should tell you right now to just stop talking and don't tell people how to "feel" the game. Tutorials ruin his feel, they enhance yours. Don't tell him he cant plug his views but then you are plugging yours...

 

 

 

Anyone who WRITES their name at the end of every post is usually wrong in every way they think or write anyway.

[Lord_Shalaj]

The way you define the "feel" of the game is different from others. What I'm trying to say is that don't try to imply your wish of playing on others. Each prefers his own way to play and each has a different way of defining a particular game's essence.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

Your argument makes no sense. You are telling Yourgone to not do exactly what YOU ARE DOING. You are just saying the opposite of what he is saying. So according to your logic I should tell you right now to just stop talking and don't tell people how to "feel" the game. Tutorials ruin his feel, they enhance yours. Don't tell him he cant plug his views but then you are plugging yours...

 

 

 

Anyone who WRITES their name at the end of every post is usually wrong in every way they think or write anyway.

 

 

 

No, there is a simple difference.

 

 

 

I am not implying, unlike Yourgone, to get everyone to accept the change. The changes are optional, a quick 10 second work with DoomSayer and you're back to exploring everything yourself again. This makes both the sides happy and your "feel" of the game isn't ruined.

 

 

 

I didn't ask him to stop viewing his opinion, how much ever I may disagree with it.

 

 

 

And I do write my name and will continue writing. Criticizing the structure of a post rather than the content. I could say anyone who doesn't write their name at the end of the post will mean that his post is going to be rubbish. How mature does that sound?

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[Cheefoo]

The way you define the "feel" of the game is different from others. What I'm trying to say is that don't try to imply your wish of playing on others. Each prefers his own way to play and each has a different way of defining a particular game's essence.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

KNOWLEDGE BASE.

[123Yourgone]

The way you define the "feel" of the game is different from others. What I'm trying to say is that don't try to imply your wish of playing on others. Each prefers his own way to play and each has a different way of defining a particular game's essence.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

Your argument makes no sense. You are telling Yourgone to not do exactly what YOU ARE DOING. You are just saying the opposite of what he is saying. So according to your logic I should tell you right now to just stop talking and don't tell people how to "feel" the game. Tutorials ruin his feel, they enhance yours. Don't tell him he cant plug his views but then you are plugging yours...

 

 

 

Anyone who WRITES their name at the end of every post is usually wrong in every way they think or write anyway.

 

 

 

No, there is a simple difference.

 

 

 

I am not implying, unlike Yourgone, to get everyone to accept the change. The changes are optional, a quick 10 second work with DoomSayer and you're back to exploring everything yourself again. This makes both the sides happy and your "feel" of the game isn't ruined.

 

 

 

I didn't ask him to stop viewing his opinion, how much ever I may disagree with it.

 

 

 

And I do write my name and will continue writing. Criticizing the structure of a post rather than the content. I could say anyone who doesn't write their name at the end of the post will mean that his post is going to be rubbish. How mature does that sound?

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

Just knowing its there would ruin things for me, i have never needed help to play rs and when i started playing it was a LOT harder then it is now, nobody complained back then.

[yuriqiu]

Personally, I think the knowledge base is enough of a basic guide for people who wants to try new things. People then develop their own styles in a particular way of playing. Ex. Some people like to get runes and ancient in SC, others pickpocket to disable mages, others skill to gain the max points possible. It is all different ways to play the same game. As for GWD, each player enjoys a different boss and likes to repeat that boss over and over again and develop their own styles. I used to be into hunting Sara Encampment, now I do Arma Stronghold because the price of Sara hilts have gone down. It really all boils down to preference. By creating a in depth tutorial/guide, everyone would all choose one method shown to them to play a game. That alone would make RS extremely boring and one-sided

[Lord_Shalaj]

I do not want in-depth tutorials or guides :wall: :evil:

 

 

 

I just want more prominent warnings/precautions for the new players. Also, most of the new players actually don't know that what exactly the Knowledge Base is. Even if Jagex could just add to the GWD warning sign "It is suggested you read the information given in our Knowledge Base before proceeding unawares" will solve all the problems. If you buy a game, you wouldn't think the thick manual that accompanies it. Rather you would just go out and play.

 

 

 

@123Yourgone,

 

 

 

Knowing it is there destroys the feel? I don't like many things on RS, but they do exist and if I'm never going to use those things, how does that affect my gameplay?

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[Cheefoo]

I do not want in-depth tutorials or guides :wall: :evil:

 

 

 

I just want more prominent warnings/precautions for the new players. Also, most of the new players actually don't know that what exactly the Knowledge Base is. Even if Jagex could just add to the GWD warning sign "It is suggested you read the information given in our Knowledge Base before proceeding unawares" will solve all the problems. If you buy a game, you wouldn't think the thick manual that accompanies it. Rather you would just go out and play.

 

 

 

@123Yourgone,

 

 

 

Knowing it is there destroys the feel? I don't like many things on RS, but they do exist and if I'm never going to use those things, how does that affect my gameplay?

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

Are you kidding me? You said they don't want to read the Knowledge Base, but you think they will if they are directed to it? They should read the Knowledge Base if they want to survive easily, and don't read it if they want to figure it out themselves. There shouldn't be tutorials, or even warnings put in the game, it ruins the feel.

[Lord_Shalaj]

Half of the people don't know that the Knowledge Base exists. Providing a suggestion that asks the explorer to refer to the RuneScape Knowledge Base solves a fair number of the problems.

 

 

 

Repeatedly I am saying that I want this update optional for all players. [using DoomSayer] You can easily cut off all warnings from DS and carry on your game play as before. I find the thought "I know that it exists and that ruins my 'feel' of the game" arguing for the sake of arguing. [sorry, that's my honest opinion :| ] I could retaliate that I don't like Merchanting, but I do know it is very widely done and even though I don't merchant nor I am totally affected by it in any way, I feel it spoils my 'feel' of the game..sounds a bit dodgy? :P

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[Cheefoo]

Half of the people don't know that the Knowledge Base exists. Providing a suggestion that asks the explorer to refer to the RuneScape Knowledge Base solves a fair number of the problems.

 

 

 

Repeatedly I am saying that I want this update optional for all players. [using DoomSayer] You can easily cut off all warnings from DS and carry on your game play as before. I find the thought "I know that it exists and that ruins my 'feel' of the game" arguing for the sake of arguing. [sorry, that's my honest opinion :| ] I could retaliate that I don't like Merchanting, but I do know it is very widely done and even though I don't merchant nor I am totally affected by it in any way, I feel it spoils my 'feel' of the game..sounds a bit dodgy? :P

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

If they make the game so easy for new players, people who didn't have the warnings back when they were new, would get mad. They don't want the game to get any easier, and make all their effort to figure things out on their own seem like a waste. I really have no idea what you're talking about with merchanting, though... Not to mention, to get rid of warning from the Doomsayer, you need to have seen them like 10 times at least. It just makes people feel terrible when the game they worked on so hard and found out so much about starts treating them like idiots.

 

 

 

Not even the idiots should be treated like idiots, it's better if they found out things for themselves. Otherwise, they'll stay idiots.

[Lord_Shalaj]

Half of the people don't know that the Knowledge Base exists. Providing a suggestion that asks the explorer to refer to the RuneScape Knowledge Base solves a fair number of the problems.

 

 

 

Repeatedly I am saying that I want this update optional for all players. [using DoomSayer] You can easily cut off all warnings from DS and carry on your game play as before. I find the thought "I know that it exists and that ruins my 'feel' of the game" arguing for the sake of arguing. [sorry, that's my honest opinion :| ] I could retaliate that I don't like Merchanting, but I do know it is very widely done and even though I don't merchant nor I am totally affected by it in any way, I feel it spoils my 'feel' of the game..sounds a bit dodgy? :P

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

If they make the game so easy for new players, people who didn't have the warnings back when they were new, would get mad. They don't want the game to get any easier, and make all their effort to figure things out on their own seem like a waste. I really have no idea what you're talking about with merchanting, though... Not to mention, to get rid of warning from the Doomsayer, you need to have seen them like 10 times at least. It just makes people feel terrible when the game they worked on so hard and found out so much about starts treating them like idiots.

 

 

 

Not even the idiots should be treated like idiots, it's better if they found out things for themselves. Otherwise, they'll stay idiots.

 

 

 

Things are getting easier. Old players earned money by killing green dragons and banking each and very thing for a moderate amount of profit. Today players are guarenteed profit by killing aviansies, spirit mages (in most cases). Older players had lots of trouble training Agility, Runecrafting, Slayer, Farming. Now we have Distractions and Diversions, Slayer rings, Abyss and ZMI, and various new means of transport to herb patches. Things definitely are getting easier (in terms of skilling) and are getting harder (in terms of boss monsters). Bank _, Grind X, Fletch X options cut down tons of time. I wouldn't be surprised if a Drop all option comes out. So you can't just say this would be unfair to the old players.

 

 

 

What I'm trying to say about Merchanting was, if a particular feature doesn't interfere in my gameplay, nor am I anyway affected by it..why does it spoil my "feel" of the game?

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[123Yourgone]

Half of the people don't know that the Knowledge Base exists. Providing a suggestion that asks the explorer to refer to the RuneScape Knowledge Base solves a fair number of the problems.

 

 

 

Repeatedly I am saying that I want this update optional for all players. [using DoomSayer] You can easily cut off all warnings from DS and carry on your game play as before. I find the thought "I know that it exists and that ruins my 'feel' of the game" arguing for the sake of arguing. [sorry, that's my honest opinion :| ] I could retaliate that I don't like Merchanting, but I do know it is very widely done and even though I don't merchant nor I am totally affected by it in any way, I feel it spoils my 'feel' of the game..sounds a bit dodgy? :P

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

If they make the game so easy for new players, people who didn't have the warnings back when they were new, would get mad. They don't want the game to get any easier, and make all their effort to figure things out on their own seem like a waste. I really have no idea what you're talking about with merchanting, though... Not to mention, to get rid of warning from the Doomsayer, you need to have seen them like 10 times at least. It just makes people feel terrible when the game they worked on so hard and found out so much about starts treating them like idiots.

 

 

 

Not even the idiots should be treated like idiots, it's better if they found out things for themselves. Otherwise, they'll stay idiots.

 

 

 

Things are getting easier. Old players earned money by killing green dragons and banking each and very thing for a moderate amount of profit. Today players are guarenteed profit by killing aviansies, spirit mages (in most cases). Older players had lots of trouble training Agility, Runecrafting, Slayer, Farming. Now we have Distractions and Diversions, Slayer rings, Abyss and ZMI, and various new means of transport to herb patches. Things definitely are getting easier (in terms of skilling) and are getting harder (in terms of boss monsters). Bank _, Grind X, Fletch X options cut down tons of time. I wouldn't be surprised if a Drop all option comes out. So you can't just say this would be unfair to the old players.

 

 

 

What I'm trying to say about Merchanting was, if a particular feature doesn't interfere in my gameplay, nor am I anyway affected by it..why does it spoil my "feel" of the game?

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

Merchanting effects every ones gameplay except galaxyg's.

[Lord_Shalaj]

I gave an example -.-

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

PS: Merchanting has affected me a great deal *points at Dharok helms*, I just took it as an example to explain my point..my mistake I guess, I should always clarify everything always. [Even if the previous post did mention it was taken as an example :| ]

[Cheefoo]

The older players won't exactly whine or anything, but the idiot low leveled players who can't figure anything out for themselves will stay that way. They won't get any exposure and have their hand held throughout the entire game. It would create a new wave of idiots who think the game is oh so safe and easy, and when they die, they'll start ranting about it towards Jagex. What you're suggesting is sickening...

[FatherJack]

The important point is that its optional :- If you don't like the babying , well and good you can choose not to visit the various tutors in RS and also you can turn off your warnings so you can play the game as you wish.

 

Being a newbie, relatively (I've returned after a couple years gone and started afresh) I was rather confused to see I was stuck on Tutorial Island which re-taught me all basic skills, which was not optional. WHY?!

 

 

 

I remember back in '02 on lunch break many a time trying to find out what was at the bottom of the kharid chasm mine - all I found was scorps all too happy to kill me.

 

 

 

I particularly remember Elvarg flaming me out of my new Rune because I didn't know about the anti-flame shield. I actually laughed at other questies with their "nooby shields" instead of my Rune Kite. They laughed when I got flamed. So, I just leveled up my mining and earnt back my gear, bought new rune and dragon shield, trained up a bit more and whooped his [wagon]. Nowadays this is impossible.

 

 

 

You're given all the basics and the only exploration and adventure makes RS playing for the first twenty levels. Then you're bored, resigned to just training. I'm just a level 23, but I only have six quests (of which I have completed before, but none the less) and the most exciting thing I've done is run around the Stronghold of Safety for a pair of gloves and explored parts of the Stronghold of Security.

 

 

 

These new achievement diaries are especially babysitting, instead of giving hints and clues to objectives, each particular requirement has instructions, which makes the reward pointless, if it wasn't for the time to walk around completing each requirement.

 

 

 

Another point is that the Wildy now has a ravine of which to have to jump over. Pathetic. This makes escaping wildy difficult in the middle of a good scrap, and removes any curiosity for new players to explore up north, because they might lose items which, thanks to tutors can be easily replaced. I doubt any level 3 will be walking up through the wildy, blissfully ignorant of the white dots on the radar and rather hilariously just walk into Camp Greater uptop, and share one brief second of laughter/confusion with a level 90/100+ and then perish.

 

 

 

I could go on and on and on, but I think I've said enough.

[Lord_Shalaj]

@ Cheefo,

 

 

 

Your arguments in my opinion aren't that strong. Not keeping warnings and precautions just because there is a line of idiots in the game? When was a time when there never were idiots? So just for the sake of a third of the RS population who are bent to complain no matter if Jagex did provide them the utilities, why should you stop something for the betterment of others.

 

 

 

@ FatherJack,

 

 

 

Your the first one who has actually stuck to the topic on the warnings and precautions being more prominent [rather than this tutorial/guides thing]. Thanks :)

 

 

 

I do know you view this game (or all games) with a particular intent. Your target is totally fixed, to have a bit of fun and discover the game all by yourself. That's fun and enjoyment for you. I admire that in all people (Let me say here that I wouldn't want warnings for myself anyway, its just for the new players).

 

 

 

What I really wish, and you have quoted that too, is that do not impart your style of playing the game on other people. Don't expect them to play this game with the same motives as you do. You may be here to explore the game and enjoy that way, others may be here to get a higher level than a friend, and it doesn't help if they killed due to ignorance of a particular feature.

 

 

 

The Wilderness ditch isn't optional, so I do not count it as one of the better updates of Jagex. The warnings would be. And also, it would direct the player towards the Knowledge Base where he learn better about this game. (What's the useful of a ton of knowledge if half of the population doesn't read it?). These notes in the KB tell you NOTHING on set-ups, what to do, inventory..they rather provide a description of the thing (delving more into the history). You could read all about General Graardor in the KB and still go and get killed in GWD. Providing descriptions isn't going to rub out your daring. It's going to enhance it. A player would be more aroused to explore a area after he reads that for example, "Lots of monsters roam this area and a daring player would receive high rewards."

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[Cheefoo]

Having tutorials everywhere would only appeal to [cabbages] who are too stupid to use the Knowledge Base. The Doomsayer and warnings everywhere ruined the feel of the game for tons of people, and what you're suggesting is going to make it even worse. What you want is just pointless and for lazy idiots who are too dumb and lethargic to be bothered to use the Knowledge Base. Jagex will never waste so much time making tutorials for every last damn aspect of the game. That time spent could be used for making something fun, and that appeals to more than just lazy idiots.

[Lord_Shalaj]

Oh my god..Haven't I mentioned I DON'T WANT THE TUTORIALS!!

 

 

 

Seriously, I could swear you're doing this on purpose. Every post, each time, every day..I want more prominent warning signs or precautions! The next time you even mention the word tutorials, your post is going to be ignored.

 

 

 

And I'm asking for completely optional things no one is forced to do and can avoid without any affect on their gameplay.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[Cheefoo]

Oh my god..Haven't I mentioned I DON'T WANT THE TUTORIALS!!

 

 

 

Seriously, I could swear you're doing this on purpose. Every post, each time, every day..I want more prominent warning signs or precautions! The next time you even mention the word tutorials, your post is going to be ignored.

 

 

 

And I'm asking for completely optional things no one is forced to do and can avoid without any affect on their gameplay.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

Then stop defending your point and insulting my opinions as "weak".

 

 

 

And I'm asking for completely optional things no one is forced to do and can avoid without any affect on their gameplay.

 

 

 

You just said it AGAIN. If you want me to stop talking about it, stop trying to get the last word in. Just stop mentioning your dumb idea and telling me it was never there. You aren't some kind of magician.

[Lord_Shalaj]

Very well, I do see where your coming from (and also your absurd ideas)

 

 

 

Just because your points are weak and you didn't take much time in writing them or put any thought, I would always label them as "weak". They sound weak to me. (Example - Don't update the game as there are idiots in the game.. :roll: ).

 

 

 

So all these baseless replies were just out of self-defence? If so, I must credit more to your maturity =D>

 

 

 

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Now back on the topic.

 

 

 

What on RuneScape do you mean don't try to get the last word in? Have you never had a debate? You have to improve the quality of thinking of the people who disagrees with you. You have to make him see what you see. And my attempts at those make you think I am a "magician"? ( :roll: ).

 

 

 

I want you to stop talking about tutorials which I never intended to imply..so hard to understand? :wall:

 

 

 

More than my idea, I feel your posts possess the necessary content to be labeled as "dumb".

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[brice1b3]

back in my day (6 years ago to 2006) you noticed the game being more child oriented but there was still quite a bit of intelligent mature people also. When a new player has arrived he will eventually dwell into wilderness wondering why so many people are there, mostlikely wearing his best armour. Then the second he is in wilderness my pure would freeze him and spec him down faster than he could eat his tuna. Is that a bad thing? Of course people started big lures from this, but it still wasint that bad, actually there was more panic when they started to give a bunch of warnings...until it became a challenge to enter wilderness from all the warnings! I hated that, kind of ruined pking for me.

[kudos6969]

none of my freind want to play this game because the tutorial was pure lol, the most boring thing they had ever done in a game and it was the same for me to. watching high levels killing the kbd is what got me attracted to runescape years ago.

 

 

 

tutorials put people off but only if there forced to use them, having the option to use a tutorial and knowing where it is, is a much better idea

[Cheefoo]

Very well, I do see where your coming from (and also your absurd ideas)

 

 

 

Just because your points are weak and you didn't take much time in writing them or put any thought, I would always label them as "weak". They sound weak to me. (Example - Don't update the game as there are idiots in the game.. :roll: ).

 

 

 

So all these baseless replies were just out of self-defence? If so, I must credit more to your maturity =D>

 

 

 

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Now back on the topic.

 

 

 

What on RuneScape do you mean don't try to get the last word in? Have you never had a debate? You have to improve the quality of thinking of the people who disagrees with you. You have to make him see what you see. And my attempts at those make you think I am a "magician"? ( :roll: ).

 

 

 

I want you to stop talking about tutorials which I never intended to imply..so hard to understand? :wall:

 

 

 

More than my idea, I feel your posts possess the necessary content to be labeled as "dumb".

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

You aren't trying to make me see what you see, you're trying to insult me. Have you ever been in an intelligent argument before? It doesn't consist of trying to insult the other person all the time, without saying anything convincing on your own. What you're trying to do is quit while you think you're "on top" by saying that you don't want me to talk about it anymore, while you insult me in the next damn sentence, going back to the topic you just said was taboo. You're pathetically cocky, and start hallucinating, thinking I'm saying totally idiotic things.

 

 

 

Here's what I'm trying to say, yet you don't comprehend it:

 

 

 

-It would ruin the feel of the game

 

-It would create a wave of players that can't do anything for themselves

 

-It would be pointless, as there's already the Knowledge Base

 

-It would be a waste of time programming, as Jagex can be doing better things

 

 

 

If you dare insult me again without giving any back up, you're just proving to me how pathetically cocky you are, so much that you're absolutely blinded. Either that, or you're some coward magician who thinks he can materialize stupid words into my mouth making me sound foolish.

 

 

 

Respond to this without using false generalizations, and actually reading my post, and don't try and say "I'm not listening, lalala, I told you I don't want to talk about this," then insult me, and bolster your ego trying to backup your stupid point afterwards.

[SwreeTak]

This sounds like a good idea to me. More warnings like these will make people stop and really think about it before they progress. Now most people just click the sign away, and many of those die just because of that. A good idea would be to add some kind of short timer to the sign, so all had to read it. After you had read it once you could then go to the doomsayer and toggle the warning off.

[Lord_Shalaj]

Very well, I do see where your coming from (and also your absurd ideas)

 

 

 

Just because your points are weak and you didn't take much time in writing them or put any thought, I would always label them as "weak". They sound weak to me. (Example - Don't update the game as there are idiots in the game.. :roll: ).

 

 

 

So all these baseless replies were just out of self-defence? If so, I must credit more to your maturity =D>

 

 

 

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Now back on the topic.

 

 

 

What on RuneScape do you mean don't try to get the last word in? Have you never had a debate? You have to improve the quality of thinking of the people who disagrees with you. You have to make him see what you see. And my attempts at those make you think I am a "magician"? ( :roll: ).

 

 

 

I want you to stop talking about tutorials which I never intended to imply..so hard to understand? :wall:

 

 

 

More than my idea, I feel your posts possess the necessary content to be labeled as "dumb".

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

You aren't trying to make me see what you see, you're trying to insult me. Have you ever been in an intelligent argument before? It doesn't consist of trying to insult the other person all the time, without saying anything convincing on your own. What you're trying to do is quit while you think you're "on top" by saying that you don't want me to talk about it anymore, while you insult me in the next damn sentence, going back to the topic you just said was taboo. You're pathetically cocky, and start hallucinating, thinking I'm saying totally idiotic things.

 

 

 

Here's what I'm trying to say, yet you don't comprehend it:

 

 

 

-It would ruin the feel of the game

 

-It would create a wave of players that can't do anything for themselves

 

-It would be pointless, as there's already the Knowledge Base

 

-It would be a waste of time programming, as Jagex can be doing better things

 

 

 

If you dare insult me again without giving any back up, you're just proving to me how pathetically cocky you are, so much that you're absolutely blinded. Either that, or you're some coward magician who thinks he can materialize stupid words into my mouth making me sound foolish.

 

 

 

Respond to this without using false generalizations, and actually reading my post, and don't try and say "I'm not listening, lalala, I told you I don't want to talk about this," then insult me, and bolster your ego trying to backup your stupid point afterwards.

 

 

 

If I may very well point out, the insulting started from your side (and still continues). Scroll up and don't be surprised to be words like dumb, sickening, idiotic all entirely from your posts. If you expect me to remain silent after being insulted for absolutely no reason, your wrong.

 

 

 

I strongly advise you read up all the posts again and see who was trying to guide whom (which you obviously haven't done again). I do have been in intelligent discussions, many if I may say. I know how a good debate runs out and you're making sure this isn't heading towards being one.

 

 

 

I don't think you will stand it too if you say it simply (for example) "I don't want tutorials" but are bugged from the upcoming posts about the very same topic. Take it as a insult if you wish, this certainly isn't how good debates function if the person who disagrees doesn't read the post at all. I don't see where you're getting these ideas of hallucinations..

 

 

 

Heres what I'm trying to say, which you're obviously ignoring again and again -

 

 

 

- As I said this would be optional. If something doesn't interfere in your gameplay nor affect you in anyway, why would your "feel" of the game be affected?

 

 

 

You develop your "feel" of this game by the quality of gameplay, attitude of players and attitude of Jagex. If they make an update that sure as hell doesn't come in your way even once, how on earth will your thoughts about the game reduce?

 

 

 

- It would not. Thats where you're going wrong again and again (I have a shrewd suspicion you are still thinking of guides/tutorials). A more prominent warning would actually encourage new players to understand the complications of entering a particular and would make them more knowledgeable if they did decide to read the KB. See, you're getting totally the opposite idea.

 

 

 

- I know it's there. And I'm not providing a substitute for it. I'm enhancing it further.

 

 

 

- It wouldn't take so much time to add one line. It also isn't a waste of time as players (a definite group) would be happy that this game is managed by a company that actually cares that they don't simply quit the game because they died once due to ignorance on their part.

 

 

 

I'm constantly providing reasons for my idea in all my posts. This whole "magician" thought sounds totally..absurd.

 

 

 

There we go again, despite constantly reminding me not "bolster my ego", you're probably trying to irk me more with lines like "to backup your stupid point afterwards." I know that different people read these forums and many wouldn't agree with my ideas. No sensible player goes out and totally starts insulting the post/poster in his posts (unless of course the idea is TOTALLY inapplicable).

 

 

 

I have extremely well explained my points to you. If you keep repeating the same thing again and again, I will understand that you are doing this on purpose.

 

 

 

This sounds like a good idea to me. More warnings like these will make people stop and really think about it before they progress. Now most people just click the sign away, and many of those die just because of that. A good idea would be to add some kind of short timer to the sign, so all had to read it. After you had read it once you could then go to the doomsayer and toggle the warning off.

 

 

 

Yes that indeed is partly what I'm suggesting :)

 

 

 

Thanks for the post.

 

 

 

tutorials put people off but only if there forced to use them, having the option to use a tutorial and knowing where it is, is a much better idea

 

 

 

I am suggesting optional warnings and precautions so we both definitely agree on the same idea (though not tutorials).

 

 

 

A small note on the old tutorial, yes it was a bit boring but nescessary. The new Tutorial which is in the form of a quest is much more interesting. ;) [Now the tutorial even features a three-headed monster and is a sort of a quest. :thumbsup: ]

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[Cheefoo]

Okay, if you read closely, I was never calling you stupid. I was saying that if there are people dumb enough to skip warnings, they'll just learn after a while. If they keep getting babied, they would never learn on their own, and become dependant on Jagex to hold their hand. What will this do? It will make people complain if Jagex doesn't waste precious hours making worthless tutorials.

 

 

 

If you really want to play the game, you'll look at the warning, or better yet, use the Knowledge Base. Adding warnings and tutorials etc. everywhere would be a big waste of an update, and possibly make a whole batch of dependant foolish 10 year olds messing up the feel for everyone else.

 

 

 

Sorry if you misunderstood me, I never was insulting you, I was just referring to the stupid people as stupid people, not you. Then you started spewing "Your point is weak, your post could be called 'dumb', etc. etc..." You didn't really point out why you were against my points, and I still didn't see any of that yet, and you started insulting me. I believe the insults started as a misunderstanding, as I never was trying you get under your skin.

 

 

 

I just think adding more warnings would create tons of dependant stupids that will bother Jagex on wasting more time on more warnings. The players have to learn for themselves sometimes, but if they really need help, they can use the non-condescending Knowledge Base. Warnings would cause a bad group of young kids to come in, and make anyone smart enough to know what's going on feel insulted, being patronized every corner with a warning that you might stub your toe.

 

 

 

The biggest reason why I don't want Jagex babying the players is because it would waste a lot of time making worthwhile updates. It just has too many negatives that outweigh the positives. The only real positive is that dumb players who don't use the Knowledge Base may lose less virtual items as they stumble around half blind through Runescape. If they're really that dumb, and would actually leave Runescape because they died once, I doubt they'll be staying around very long, anyway.

 

 

 

Once again, I'm very sorry if you thought I was the one starting to insult you. I was simply insulting other people! Heheh... yeah, I know I'm mean...