the life of a fairy-tale coming true certainly is the true reason humans survive fruitfully and bearably on earth.

 

 

 

That might be the way you, and a percentage of others "survive fruitfully and bearably" on earth, but I know for a fact it is not how I go about living.

 

 

 

also: Categorizing "becoming an athlete" at least for a healthy and capable human being is a very possible and real possibility, whereas I'd consider such a goal at most a desire.

Then you're depressing. >.>

 

 

 

Nah, I'm just messing with you. Maybe...ok, let me put it this way: what defines your morale code? And what defines what you aspire to be? Like, what do you want to be and why did you want to be that?

the life of a fairy-tale coming true certainly is the true reason humans survive fruitfully and bearably on earth.

 

 

 

That might be the way you, and a percentage of others "survive fruitfully and bearably" on earth, but I know for a fact it is not how I go about living.

 

 

 

also: Categorizing "becoming an athlete" at least for a healthy and capable human being is a very possible and real possibility, whereas I'd consider such a goal at most a desire.

 

 

 

Not if you have hemophilia where your blood dosent clot well. Or if you are mental in some ways.

Then you're depressing. >.>

 

 

 

Nah, I'm just messing with you. Maybe...ok, let me put it this way: what defines your morale code? And what defines what you aspire to be? Like, what do you want to be and why did you want to be that?

 

 

 

Morale code or moral code? Well my moral code is pretty subjective to my culture, I don't see how that is relevant.

 

 

 

As what "I wan't to be", well career-wise I don't know. But life-wise I wish to gather desired information, I want to learn about "stuff", and explore my creativity and productiveness throughout my life. I also wish to be content with the outcome of my life when I'm an old man. I mean, that's just like 2-4 of my wants for my life, out of probably hundreds. I don't have the time or energy to really think and write out a sufficient answer to that question, also I'm only 16 years old and I'm sure all throughout my life priorities and goals will change.

 

also: Categorizing "becoming an athlete" at least for a healthy and capable human being is a very possible and real possibility, whereas I'd consider such a goal at most a desire.

 

 

 

Not if you have hemophilia where your blood dosent clot well. Or if you are mental in some ways.

 

 

 

#-o

 

also: Categorizing "becoming an athlete" at least for a healthy and capable human being is a very possible and real possibility, whereas I'd consider such a goal at most a desire.

 

 

 

Not if you have hemophilia where your blood dosent clot well. Or if you are mental in some ways.

 

 

 

#-o

 

 

 

Special Olympics?

Mmmf. It's hard to explain it, I guess. So you're perfectly content with societies moral code right now, right here? Where gays can't marry, we bomb the ever-living [cabbage] out of Muslims for practicing their religion hardcore, and we don't assist the billions of people living in poverty?

 

 

 

P.S. I think I'm trying to go somewhere with this argument...This entire thread has been hard to express for me. -.-

Mmmf. It's hard to explain it, I guess. So you're perfectly content with societies moral code right now, right here? Where gays can't marry, we bomb the ever-living [cabbage] out of Muslims for practicing their religion hardcore, and we don't assist the billions of people living in poverty?

 

 

 

P.S. I think I'm trying to go somewhere with this argument...This entire thread has been hard to express for me. -.-

 

 

 

First off, I'd like to let you know you're trying to argue something totally irrelevant to the thread. Second off, stop assuming everything I say in the worst connotation. Did you honestly think I'd reply to this: "Yes, I believe we should bomb Muslims for practicing their religion hardcore. That's {bleeping} disgusting.

 

 

 

The whole reason I said my moral code is pretty subjective to our culture is BECAUSE IT IS, AND SO IS EVERY OTHER SANE PERSONS. Do you realize the impossibility for a moral code to stray from the culture you live in. Heck, maybe if you were born on Mars and were raised by talking bananas you wouldn't think twice about murdering someone, but I wasn't raised by bananas. Of course my moral code strays enough as does one persons' to the next, but I stated it so simply just because I thought it was totally irrelevant.

No, man, it's totally relevant. Listen to this:

 

 

 

You're held to societies code, as am I, but don't you like, wish it were MORE? Something better, some Utopian thing? We all strive for that, but we only dream what it might be through fairy-tales, see? So even though you're a very down-to-man kinda guy, follow the society norm and all that, which is fine, even you have to admit that our society can get better, and that's where fairy-tales come in.

 

 

 

P.S. It'd be awesome to have been raised by bananas.

No, man, it's totally relevant. Listen to this:

 

 

 

You're held to societies code, as am I, but don't you like, wish it were MORE? Something better, some Utopian thing? We all strive for that, but we only dream what it might be through fairy-tales, see? So even though you're a very down-to-man kinda guy, follow the society norm and all that, which is fine, even you have to admit that our society can get better, and that's where fairy-tales come in.

 

 

 

P.S. It'd be awesome to have been raised by bananas.

 

 

 

First off, don't put words in my mouth, I never said "I think our society could get better" as you said I "admitted".

 

 

 

Secondly, wishing for progress and beneficial action is no where near a "fairy-tale", yeah living in Utopia is, but not wishing for a free healthcare plan, more college scholarships, etc.

 

 

 

I never would dwell on "wishing" on living in a Utopia, and that's the difference between me and you. Sure I might think about it and the possibilities but its not the kind of thing I would have in the back of my mind.

 

 

 

G'night, im going to beddie pie. Ima try really hard to dream of talking-nanners :mrgreen:

 

People shouldn't need fairy tales or tall stories to find wonder and vibrancy in life when reality is so much more awesome. Learning about molecular biology, for example, is one of the most rewarding things I've ever done. The complex inner workings of the cells of all life forms sing one familiar song: their metabolism geared so efficiently towards the oxidation of various compounds to extract energy for the synthesis of proteins and the replication of DNA. That very DNA storing life's secrets of both present and past. That, to me, is incredible. There's nothing dull about nature and reality.

 

 

 

As Carl Sagan put it: "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is then to perist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

 

Except studying DNA is boring. As I put it this past semester as I was preparing for my Bioinformatics/Genomics Test, DNA makes too much sense to be interesting.

 

 

 

And I wholeheartedly disagree with that quote. Trust me, I've perceived reality and I've found it lacking in many respects. (Go ahead, I give you my permission to flame me for the absurdity of that statement). Fairy tales and alternate realities give us something to strive for, to reach for the better, the hope to generally improve the reality we perceive. Hmmm... maybe I do agree with you, just not quite in the sense I think you think I should. "Delusions," as you (or Carl Sagan) call our fairy tales, have nothing to do with how we perceive reality. "Delusions" (as we see it)are only what is possible, not what is. We, or at least I, have no problem seeing reality as what it is, but we believe in the possible, that the reality we can strive to change our reality.

 

 

 

So, in conclusion, I think I agree with the original poster. I think fairy tales can happen.

 

 

 

Tell me, why is something boring if it makes sense (mind you, we still don't know a whole lot about the genome)?

 

 

 

Although I don't think something is boring if we can make sense out of it, I do agree that the remaining mysteries of the universe are also fuel for wonder and interest.

 

 

 

It looks like you're also saying that striving for a different reality is a good thing, and I agree. That's not to say any man's fairy tale will come true.

 

 

 

I find a sense of realism to be a good thing as well as a healthy curious mind.

No, man, it's totally relevant. Listen to this:

 

 

 

You're held to societies code, as am I, but don't you like, wish it were MORE? Something better, some Utopian thing? We all strive for that, but we only dream what it might be through fairy-tales, see? So even though you're a very down-to-man kinda guy, follow the society norm and all that, which is fine, even you have to admit that our society can get better, and that's where fairy-tales come in.

 

 

 

P.S. It'd be awesome to have been raised by bananas.

 

Believing in fairy tales won't do much to help improve society. If anything, it seems to take a step backwards.

 

 

 

Human advancement is driven by challenging and falsifying society's once-held beliefs -- not following them blindly.

I'm going to side with Lateralus and Warri0r on this one, reality is much more exciting, mysterious and beautiful than fiction can and will ever be.

Reality is hundreds of times more beautiful and more interesting than delusions. Fairy tales just tend to be easier to follow than the wonderful intricacies of life.

 

QFT

 

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I'm going to side with Lateralus and Warri0r on this one, reality is much more exciting, mysterious and beautiful than fiction can and will ever be.

 

Oh but, just realised something. Fairy tales are reality's dreamings. Theyre "only" ideas but theyre as real as reality is, not something seperate of it. (if you know what im saying) They 'get their inspiration' from reality, so to say.

Centaurs, Dwarves, Elves, and Magic? Nah.

 

 

 

But what these characters represent and what they stand for in their stories is important. The actual existence of these fantastic creatures and universes is irrelevant, the morals and principles they are trying to get across are not.

 

 

 

You speak of hope, wonder, and faith-- these things already exist.

 

 

 

Its just easier to see in effect when a wounded Luke Skywalker uses emotion to save his father.

 

 

 

Easier to see than, when, for example, a scientist constantly calculates and postulates until finding out some final, wonderful solution.

I'm going to side with Lateralus and Warri0r on this one, reality is much more exciting, mysterious and beautiful than fiction can and will ever be.

 

Oh but, just realised something. Fairy tales are reality's dreamings. Theyre "only" ideas but theyre as real as reality is, not something seperate of it. (if you know what im saying) They 'get their inspiration' from reality, so to say.

 

Well sure, dreams are real, but their content is so far fetched and impossible that I find dreaming them is useless. What I was trying to say is that i'd much rather dream about Gaia Theory than a bunch of pixies and elves.

 

 

 

The Gaia theory : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

I has headachce.

 

 

 

Society only moves forward because people dream to move forward.

life can be great and all, but it can also be cruel. i view fantasies as a way to escape the world when it becomes to cruel and we arn't able to do anything about it. i'd rather read a book after a hard days work then ponder the mysteries of DNA

I has headachce.

 

 

 

Society only moves forward because people dream to move forward.

 

A twist on an old Chinese proverb: "Dreams may open the door, but you must enter yourself."

 

 

 

If we adhere to the same "dreams" of our ancestors, we will simply end up at the same "doors," so to speak. In order to reach new heights, we must challenge our once-held faiths.

Eh. There's a difference between actually wanting human change, societal change, personal change, or just wanting to rebel.

 

 

 

Human change is something not exactly looked for by people, societal change and personal change are constants, as are rebellion.

 

 

 

Human change isn't just challenging past faiths and ideas. It's growing on them. It's building on them, even if you know there's a boot coming to knock it all down. Human change has to challenge our very inner concepts of ourselves. A true human change makes blue red, crayons delicious, and music food.

 

 

 

CRAZAY.

Eh. There's a difference between actually wanting human change, societal change, personal change, or just wanting to rebel.

 

 

 

Human change is something not exactly looked for by people, societal change and personal change are constants, as are rebellion.

 

 

 

Human change isn't just challenging past faiths and ideas. It's growing on them. It's building on them, even if you know there's a boot coming to knock it all down. Human change has to challenge our very inner concepts of ourselves. A true human change makes blue red, crayons delicious, and music food.

 

 

 

CRAZAY.

 

 

 

The point is that there are certain inalterable constraints we exist within. You can dream whatever you like, but the creation and implementation are limited. The limitations make some dreams worthwhile and useful, and make others nonsense.