guy10000142 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 how to get 69 use as the least amount of funds as possiable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 To use the LEAST amount of funds will often lead you to the SLOWEST way possible. But that's also what I did to get to 70 smithing. I purchased iron ore and coal, smithed the bars myself via the Edgeville Furnace, and smithed them into cannonballs. You actually profit this way. But, as previously mentioned, it's HORRIFICALLY slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDaStudd Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Get a shed load of SC hammer as well as Varrock armour and make which ever items lead to the least loss. O and cannon balls are really boring IMO. [hide=Drops]Dragon Axe x11Berserker Ring x9Warrior Ring x8SeercullDragon MedDragon Boots x4 - all less then 30 kcGodsword Shard (bandos)Granite Maul x 3Solo only - doesn't include barrows[/hide][hide=Stats][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Get a shed load of SC hammer as well as Varrock armour and make which ever items lead to the least loss. O and cannon balls are really boring IMO. Almost everything smithable leads to profit loss below lvl 74, even with sacred clay hammers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kietaro1 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Other alternatives are making iron bars with Forging Rings. Ring of Forging = 1100 Iron Ore = 99 Iron bar = 241 Ring of forging lasts for 140 bars so costs an extra ~8 gold per bar. 107 gold then becomes 241 gold when it is smelted. That is a profit of 134 gold per bar essentially meaning that half of the bars that you smelt can be smithed for extra experience while still making a small profit. This method is sort of slow but faster than Lady's. Coal = 176 Iron Ore = 99 Steel Bar = 628 2 Coal + 1 Iron = 451 This is a profit of 177 gold per bar smelted. As steel is only worth 5 additional experience per bar, less can be smithed per load, and using the method I described earlier about kepping half the bars will net you more experience, Iron Bars are a better way to go. Again it is slow but you will be profiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 [hide=Kietaro1's Post] This method is sort of slow but faster than Lady's. Coal = 176 Iron Ore = 99 Steel Bar = 628 2 Coal + 1 Iron = 451 This is a profit of 177 gold per bar smelted. As steel is only worth 5 additional experience per bar, less can be smithed per load, and using the method I described earlier about kepping half the bars will net you more experience, Iron Bars are a better way to go. Again it is slow but you will be profiting.[/hide] This is my own personal curiosity here: you wouldn't happen to know the EXP per hour rates would you? It seems weird that making straight-steel bars and reselling them would be faster than turning them into cannonballs. It certainly does yield more profit though! :) I only ask because I want to get my smithing on my pure up eventually, and that would be something I could do even on f2p! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesome400 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 superheating mith bars is fast cheap (about 20gp per cast) and gives mage xp too (i did 52-70smith with em) 1100 total achieved 03/02/09 880thousandth to reach it :P1200 total achieved 29/09/11 1.23millionth to reach it :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kietaro1 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I am afraid I do not THE FOLLOWING NUMBERS ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ESTIMATES, they are just an example If we assume that a player can smith 500 bars/hour using either iron OR cannon balls, becuase I am sure that smelting is at the same speed, we get a very different amout of experience; 6250 for iron and 12.8k for cannon balls. However once we account for the time to get the 500 steel bars which is essentially 3 times as slow (additional 2 ores per bar, again assuming the same speed for smelting), you are looking at an addtional 2 hours spent per 500 bars. The following is the amount of extra experience you would gain from steel as opposed to iron. 500*5=2500 extra exp over three hours. so for the 3 hours you spent making the steel bars (8750) you could have gotten 18750 for iron. Then you would spend an additional hour making the cannonballs (12.8k) bringing your total experience up to 21550 experience for the 4 hours. On the other hand that would give you another hour of iron bringing your total up to 25000. This numbers are again not anywhere close to the actual numbers but I hope that you can see the point I am trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
langer Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Smelting steel bars and iron bars are the same speed... the difference is you are running a lot more from the bank to the furnace, leading to iron bars being faster made, but not to a 3 to 1 ratio like you seem to hint to. AS for smithing iron bars versus making cannon balls, you get the same xp per bar, but smithing is faster as the time for the balls to cool down (whoa I'm getting into pun territory here...) takes longer. Follow the progress of top players and my weekly updates here: 200M in all SkillsLatest Milestones Chart update : page 602Latest top 15 update : page 6026 slowest skills chart : page 563 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesome400 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I am afraid I do not THE FOLLOWING NUMBERS ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ESTIMATES, they are just an example If we assume that a player can smith 500 bars/hour using either iron OR cannon balls, becuase I am sure that smelting is at the same speed, we get a very different amout of experience; 6250 for iron and 12.8k for cannon balls. However once we account for the time to get the 500 steel bars which is essentially 3 times as slow (additional 2 ores per bar, again assuming the same speed for smelting), you are looking at an addtional 2 hours spent per 500 bars. The following is the amount of extra experience you would gain from steel as opposed to iron. 500*5=2500 extra exp over three hours. so for the 3 hours you spent making the steel bars (8750) you could have gotten 18750 for iron. Then you would spend an additional hour making the cannonballs (12.8k) bringing your total experience up to 21550 experience for the 4 hours. On the other hand that would give you another hour of iron bringing your total up to 25000. This numbers are again not anywhere close to the actual numbers but I hope that you can see the point I am trying to make. oooooooooooooor you can get 30k an hour with mith bars... 1100 total achieved 03/02/09 880thousandth to reach it :P1200 total achieved 29/09/11 1.23millionth to reach it :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kietaro1 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Well as I said, those were VERY loose numbers. HOWEVER. An inventory of Iron Ore results in 28 bars. An inventory of Steel Bars results in 8 bars. The time at the furnance is less but so is the running to and from the bank. I guess you are right, steel would be about the same. I will time it later. oooooooooooooor you can get 30k an hour with mith bars... you seem to have missed something important THE FOLLOWING NUMBERS ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ESTIMATES, they are just an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesome400 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Well as I said, those were VERY loose numbers. HOWEVER. An inventory of Iron Ore results in 28 bars. An inventory of Steel Bars results in 8 bars. The time at the furnance is less but so is the running to and from the bank. I guess you are right, steel would be about the same. I will time it later. oooooooooooooor you can get 30k an hour with mith bars... you seem to have missed something important THE FOLLOWING NUMBERS ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ESTIMATES, they are just an example math fail? 9 steel bars/ invo and i doubt you can get 30k/h with iron/steel bars 1100 total achieved 03/02/09 880thousandth to reach it :P1200 total achieved 29/09/11 1.23millionth to reach it :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homowz Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 or just buy iron bars and smith them into iron nails. if u sell the nails at the GE ull lose allmost nothing or sell them at the sawmill and u even gain some money, not much tho but its quite fast. if u use sc hammer it will go quite fast [hide]visage drop 11/01/09goals:all skills 70+ (completed)all skills 80+98% Of teenagers surround their minds with rap music, if you're part of the 2% that stayed with rock, put this in your signature, ROCK IS BETTER![/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Well as I said, those were VERY loose numbers. HOWEVER. An inventory of Iron Ore results in 28 bars. An inventory of Steel Bars results in 8 bars. The time at the furnance is less but so is the running to and from the bank. I guess you are right, steel would be about the same. I will time it later. oooooooooooooor you can get 30k an hour with mith bars... you seem to have missed something important THE FOLLOWING NUMBERS ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ESTIMATES, they are just an example math fail? 9 steel bars/ invo and i doubt you can get 30k/h with iron/steel bars He said it was an estimate. Estimate. Not exact. Get it? The OP stated that he wanted as little loss as possible. You might have a faster exp rate, but you're also LOSING money to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kietaro1 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Eh it was a mistype, I am not perfect after all. And Lady, I am going to have to look into it when I get home. I have a little time before church so I will see what I can do. I will probably run an hour of each activity and though that may not give a definite answer, I hope it will be close enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwreeTak Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 If you want it cheap, just buy the cheapest ores and melt them. Then you make good items out of them which you can sell on the GE. Cannonballs are a good such item. Add me if you so wish: SwreeTak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPokemon Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I myself got 60 Smithing quickly with Goldsmithing Gauntlets and making gold bars at Edgeville. But I recomend you get SC Hammers and then make something at Varrock West Anvils. Im not sure which item to make for least cost though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulli23 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I figured superheating addy bars is "profit" (5-10 gp/bar), + very decent magic xp (almost the same as high alching).. Mith bars superheating is a bit of a loss, and I recommend you do mith bars at the BF+make bolts.. That's about 2 gp/xp... First they came to fishingand I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing Then they came to the yewsand I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews Then they came for the oresand I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesome400 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I figured superheating addy bars is "profit" (5-10 gp/bar), + very decent magic xp (almost the same as high alching).. Mith bars superheating is a bit of a loss, and I recommend you do mith bars at the BF+make bolts.. That's about 2 gp/xp... reading fail =D> =D> i feel you paid no attention whatsoever and just blabbed the first thing that came into your head he WANTS 69 smithing how can he make addy bars then? and mith bars loss is hardly noticable for the xp gain (less than .75gp/xp) 1100 total achieved 03/02/09 880thousandth to reach it :P1200 total achieved 29/09/11 1.23millionth to reach it :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefelia Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I figured superheating addy bars is "profit" (5-10 gp/bar), + very decent magic xp (almost the same as high alching).. Mith bars superheating is a bit of a loss, and I recommend you do mith bars at the BF+make bolts.. That's about 2 gp/xp... reading fail =D> =D> i feel you paid no attention whatsoever and just blabbed the first thing that came into your head he WANTS 69 smithing how can he make addy bars then? and mith bars loss is hardly noticable for the xp gain (less than .75gp/xp) Are you always so caustic when you post? It doesn't make a very good impression at all. OT: Cannonballs work very well if you have something to occupy your attention. If I recall correctly, each full inventory takes 2.47 minutes. Including the time it would take you to run to the bank, you should be able to make 2160 cannonballs an hour (from 540 bars), netting you around 13.5k xp/hour and 48.6k gc/hour. Not great, but not too bad for something that requires minimal attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddo89 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 2 words: Blast Furnace You should be able to get at least 40k an hour, and up towards 50k if you are quite adept at it, this is WITHOUT sacred hammer. I can't remember the rates I get using it, but a hammer uses like 450 bars. Use mithril only. You can earn profits this way as well. Templar GuardiansWhen are trying to lend something, the word to use is borrow. Not barrows, which is a mini-game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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