Saru Inc Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 The National Enquirer says he was born in India! So it must be true! :wall: Just people trying to be famous; and are pissed he won. He won, deal with it. I have all the 99s, and have been playing since 2001. Comped 4/30/15 My Araxxi Kills: 459::Araxxi Drops(KC):Araxxi Hilts: 4x Eye (14/126/149/459), Web - (100) Fang (193) Araxxi Legs Completed: 5 ---Top (69/206/234/292/361), Middle (163/176/278/343/395), Bottom (135/256/350/359/397)Boss Pets: Supreme - 848 KCIf you play Xbox One - Add me! GT: Urtehnoes - Currently on a Destiny binge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doomy Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I don't get it, if a guy gets elected it shouldn't matter where he's born as long as he does a good job :?: And according to Wikipedia he's half white anyway. Doomy edit: I like sheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryztalwing Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 Fact is the guy was trying to play the race card. Scandal and rumors follows all politicians in Washington. But if it involves a "black" man, it is racist? The situation with Obama, and the questioning of the legitimacy of his claim to the White House was suspect when there wasn't a birth certificate that was produced to verify that he was a natural born US citizen. Which is a legitimate claim, up until when it was verified. And as BS as these lawsuits are becoming, they are not being racist, they are just sore McCain supporters. And I do forsee that whenever Obama runs into any obstacles during his tenure in the White House, ignorant people are going to start pulling the race card. When all the other "white" Presidents ran into roadblocks, it was always political posturing from the other side. But when Mr Obama will encounter any obstructions, it will be because "the man" is keeping him down... Ironic because he is "the man"... No white President ever had their credentials as an American questioned. Scandal and political posturing are one thing but this, in my opinion, stems from race. It was seen throughout the campaign - the implication that Obama was Muslim, wasn't a "real" American and the general attempts to play upon prejudice. That goes beyond the normal murky world of politics and creates a horrible racial underbelly. Fair play to McCain, he personally tried to avoid those tactics (I remember him admonishing a person at one of his rallies for making such comments) however, many Republicans did attempt to make the implication and it is just a continuation of the "he isn't one of us" crusade which stems from the fact that he looks different from previous Presidents. As for Obama pulling the race card, I would also disagree. He deliberately went out of his way to not be just "the black candidate", instead he went out of his way to be the change candidate and appeal to white people. I can only recall one speech regarding race (addressing the Rev Wright controversy). He didn't play on race then so I see no reason why he would play on it now or in the future. The same issue as been around for McCain. In fact lawsuits have also been made agianst him for the same reason. Judge Tosses Lawsuit, Says McCain is 'Natural Born Citizen' A federal judge has thrown out a lawsuit seeking to remove John McCain from the California ballot because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5827998 Leo Donofrio's lawsuit that was turndown by the U.S. Supreme Court was agianst McCain, Obama and Roger Calero over the same issue. http://hubpages.com/hub/Supreme-Court-J ... ligibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I don't get it, if a guy gets elected it shouldn't matter where he's born as long as he does a good job :?: And according to Wikipedia he's half white anyway. We could debate the need for that part of the constitution, but as it stands you have to be born an american citizen to be president. Would you want someone driving without a licensce just because they promised they would drive well? Terrible analogy I know, but if we start ignoring parts of our law for conveinence what is that point in any law? To the second part, if that is addressing the race card, then take note of the fact that someone who is half black in america is looked at as black. Fault it to America being judgemental or whatever, but Obama identifies himself as black and as far as race politics goes is black. If that was adressing his citizenship, being white does not equate to being an American citizen at all. See anyone living in europe that is white for an example of white non american. Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryztalwing Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 Here is an CNN news report about the issue over McCain not being a Natural born citizen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RMw1a-C ... re=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 If he doesn't have the requirements then he shouldn't be allowed to be president. Simple as that. I am required to pass Economics to graduate high school, no matter what my GPA or conduct is. I don't get any sympathy for something as trivial to the school as giving me a diploma, so why should our president get sympathy? He's the one running our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystik01 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Fact is the guy was trying to play the race card. Scandal and rumors follows all politicians in Washington. But if it involves a "black" man, it is racist? The situation with Obama, and the questioning of the legitimacy of his claim to the White House was suspect when there wasn't a birth certificate that was produced to verify that he was a natural born US citizen. Which is a legitimate claim, up until when it was verified. And as BS as these lawsuits are becoming, they are not being racist, they are just sore McCain supporters. And I do forsee that whenever Obama runs into any obstacles during his tenure in the White House, ignorant people are going to start pulling the race card. When all the other "white" Presidents ran into roadblocks, it was always political posturing from the other side. But when Mr Obama will encounter any obstructions, it will be because "the man" is keeping him down... Ironic because he is "the man"... No white President ever had their credentials as an American questioned. Scandal and political posturing are one thing but this, in my opinion, stems from race. It was seen throughout the campaign - the implication that Obama was Muslim, wasn't a "real" American and the general attempts to play upon prejudice. That goes beyond the normal murky world of politics and creates a horrible racial underbelly. Fair play to McCain, he personally tried to avoid those tactics (I remember him admonishing a person at one of his rallies for making such comments) however, many Republicans did attempt to make the implication and it is just a continuation of the "he isn't one of us" crusade which stems from the fact that he looks different from previous Presidents. As for Obama pulling the race card, I would also disagree. He deliberately went out of his way to not be just "the black candidate", instead he went out of his way to be the change candidate and appeal to white people. I can only recall one speech regarding race (addressing the Rev Wright controversy). He didn't play on race then so I see no reason why he would play on it now or in the future. The same issue as been around for McCain. In fact lawsuits have also been made agianst him for the same reason. Judge Tosses Lawsuit, Says McCain is 'Natural Born Citizen' A federal judge has thrown out a lawsuit seeking to remove John McCain from the California ballot because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5827998 Leo Donofrio's lawsuit that was turndown by the U.S. Supreme Court was agianst McCain, Obama and Roger Calero over the same issue. http://hubpages.com/hub/Supreme-Court-J ... ligibility This is information that weighs in favor of my argument that this is not a racial thing. Even though I consider Obama my white President, and I will continue to consider him that until people stop considering him a black president. He is just Mr President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magekillr Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 This is information that weighs in favor of my argument that this is not a racial thing. Even though I consider Obama my white President, and I will continue to consider him that until people stop considering him a black president. He is just Mr President. Why? If he doesn't have the requirements then he shouldn't be allowed to be president. Simple as that. I am required to pass Economics to graduate high school, no matter what my GPA or conduct is. I don't get any sympathy for something as trivial to the school as giving me a diploma, so why should our president get sympathy? He's the one running our country. It's been debunked, repeatedly. These dumb xenophobic people continuously question this because they can't deal with him winning. Here is an CNN news report about the issue over McCain not being a Natural born citizen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RMw1a-C ... re=related Yah, AFTER Obama's citizenship was being "questioned" for several months. It was simply a counter that has pretty much the same evidence as the Obama people had, but they continued to press Obama because of his "foreignness". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystik01 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 This is information that weighs in favor of my argument that this is not a racial thing. Even though I consider Obama my white President, and I will continue to consider him that until people stop considering him a black president. He is just Mr President. Why? why what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magekillr Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 This is information that weighs in favor of my argument that this is not a racial thing. Even though I consider Obama my white President, and I will continue to consider him that until people stop considering him a black president. He is just Mr President. Why? why what? Why do you consider him "white", when he doesn't consider himself "white"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 It's been debunked, repeatedly. These dumb xenophobic people continuously question this because they can't deal with him winning. Well that's all that matters. :P I didn't mean to sound like I was against Obama, just that hypothetically if it were not debunked, then he shouldn't be allowed in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 It's been debunked, repeatedly. These dumb xenophobic people continuously question this because they can't deal with him winning. Well that's all that matters. :P I didn't mean to sound like I was against Obama, just that hypothetically if it were not debunked, then he shouldn't be allowed in office. They should prove that he isn't a natural born citizen first then bar him from office - not the other way around. Innocent until proven guilty surely? He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 It's been debunked, repeatedly. These dumb xenophobic people continuously question this because they can't deal with him winning. Well that's all that matters. :P I didn't mean to sound like I was against Obama, just that hypothetically if it were not debunked, then he shouldn't be allowed in office. They should prove that he isn't a natural born citizen first then bar him from office - not the other way around. Innocent until proven guilty surely? Hypothetical - assumed by hypothesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Just because it's hypothetical doesn't mean I can't question the assumption. 'Wasn't debunked' isn't the same as 'proven not to be a national born citizen' - that was my point. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Well, I just don't see why you had to respond to my post when it was only telling Mage that I was talking on a hypothetical level. I was expressing my opinion that requirements are requirements. You could have made the same point and that would be fine, but I don't see why you had to quote me. Obama does have the requirements, but I still feel that if he didn't, then he shouldn't be president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Well, I just don't see why you had to respond to my post when it was only telling Mage that I was talking on a hypothetical level. I was expressing my opinion that requirements are requirements. You could have made the same point and that would be fine, but I don't see why you had to quote me. Obama does have the requirements, but I still feel that if he didn't, then he shouldn't be president. I quoted you because you made a post which I was commenting on. All I meant was that in any scenario (hypothetical or not) he would have to be treated by the same legal principles as everyone else. I don't care about your personal view on it either way, I just pointed out that if hypothetically he wasn't a natural born citizen he would be innocent until proven guilty which related to your post. I wasn't making a partisan point. Look, if I had known you were so sensitive I wouldn't have bothered. I'll tell you what, I'll order you a dummy (pacifier since you're an American) and some tissues to cry into since you're so easily wound up. So much offence taken over nothing... He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I quoted you because you made a post which I was commenting on. So you felt the need to have to reiterate what Mage and I just went over? Yeah makes a lot of sense... All I meant was that in any scenario (hypothetical or not) he would have to be treated by the same legal principles as everyone else. And he has... They didn't kick him out of office did they? I have a feeling you don't understand how the court system works. Person A accuses Person B of said action. Then, Person A needs to prove it. Then, if proven, Person B is punished. What you are saying is that there should be no accusations until something is proven in the court - how is that possible? We wouldn't know what needed to be proven until the accusation was made. You're thinking out of order. Innocent until proven guilty only applies to being punished under the law. Look, if I had known you were so sensitive I wouldn't have bothered. I'll tell you what, I'll order you a dummy (pacifier since you're an American) and some tissues to cry into since you're so easily wound up. So much offence taken over nothing... I'm the one taking offense? No, it looks like you're the one who felt the need to come here, quote me, and cry about how I shouldn't even mention the word hypothetical. After all, you're the one who initiated this whole thing. Stop being such a hypocrite and stop posting here, since you seem to be the one crying that "people need to get over things". Maybe make relevant replies in the future too to prevent these sort of things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 And he has... They didn't kick him out of office did they? I have a feeling you don't understand how the court system works. Person A accuses Person B of said action. Then, Person A needs to prove it. Then, if proven, Person B is punished. What you are saying is that there should be no accusations until something is proven in the court - how is that possible? We wouldn't know what needed to be proven until the accusation was made. You're thinking out of order. Well done on misrepresenting what I said, bravo. My point was, when an accusation has been made, the person that it is made against is innocent until proven guilty. There is nothing difficult about that. In this case it would mean that they would have to prove that he wasn't a natural born citizen in order to bar him from office after an election had been held. Yes, I get requirements are requirements, I never disputed that. Look, if I had known you were so sensitive I wouldn't have bothered. I'll tell you what, I'll order you a dummy (pacifier since you're an American) and some tissues to cry into since you're so easily wound up. So much offence taken over nothing... I'm the one taking offense? No, it looks like you're the one who felt the need to come here, quote me, and cry about how I shouldn't even mention the word hypothetical. After all, you're the one who initiated this whole thing. Stop being such a hypocrite and stop posting here, since you seem to be the one crying that "people need to get over things". Maybe make relevant replies in the future too to prevent these sort of things? Yes, you were being sensitive. I made simple critique of your hypothetical scenario and you get your knickers in a twist and imply that I have no right to make my point and that it's irrelevant. You made a point and I had a response that was directly related to it - so it was relevant. I still don't get why that upsets you, I really don't. As for me being being upset, I'm not, although I'm genuinely confused over why you're reacting the way you are over something so pointless and something which wasn't even offensive. Look, I could go back and forth with you on this but it isn't related to the topic. I don't get why you were offended by my point, it was simple enough and wasn't inflammatory. If I upset you with my point then grow a thicker skin but I'm not apologising for making an innocent point on an internet forum - if I felt that I was out of order I would apologise but I've said nothing that I could even consider mildly upsetting to you. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Well done on misrepresenting what I said, bravo. My point was, when an accusation has been made, the person that it is made against is innocent until proven guilty. There is nothing difficult about that. In other words, you don't have a relevant point. I know he's innocent until proven guilty! That's the point dude! Read my first post. It starts with the word "if". Then read my second post. It contains the word "hypothetical". It's not difficult. It's just you posting here for no reason as a means to make an idiot out of me, but if people were actually to waste their time reading this, they'd discover who the real idiot is. So do yourself a favor and stop digging a hole? I mean after all this pointless arguing you still don't understand what hypothetical means! Look. It means assuming the hypothesis - the hypothesis here being Obama not having the requirements. If we were to assume he didn't have the requirements, then he should not be the president. What is wrong with this statement? Please explain it to me and don't speak irrelevancies. I'm starting to think you're purposely trying to miss the point. Yes, you were being sensitive. I made simple critique of your hypothetical scenario and you get your knickers in a twist and imply that I have no right to make my point and that it's irrelevant. You made a point and I had a response that was directly related to it - so it was relevant. I still don't get why that upsets you, I really don't. As for me being being upset, I'm not, although I'm genuinely confused over why you're reacting the way you are over something so pointless and something which wasn't even offensive. If anyone is being sensitive here, it would be you for two reasons. 1. You felt the need to respond to me saying "if". 2. You felt the need to point out how I'm apparently being insensitive. I would agree with you if you said neither of us were sensitive, but since you were the one who brought it up out of the blue that just shows something about your personality. Just because I pointed out how I am talking about assuming hypotheses that doesn't mean I'm sensitive. Jeez man. You're just shooting blindly. Look, I could go back and forth with you on this but it isn't related to the topic. I don't get why you were offended by my point, it was simple enough and wasn't inflammatory. If I upset you with my point then grow a thicker skin but I'm not apologising for making an innocent point on an internet forum - if I felt that I was out of order I would apologise but I've said nothing that I could even consider mildly upsetting to you. The only thing I got offended by was how you assumed that I got offended and went to the extent of saying I need a dummy cause I cry too much. All I said was I didn't understand why you would respond to my post because your point didn't follow mine - and you say I'm the one crying? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 My response was to: if it were not debunked, then he shouldn't be allowed in office. If it were not debunked suggests that Obama has to disprove the accusation against him (that he isn't a natural born citizen) before he takes office. If he has to prove it wrong, then that is not a case of innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof is on the accusers in this case to prove their argument, not on Obama to debunk the theory. I'm running out of ways to put that. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 That's how the court system works though. In this context the opposite of "not being debunked" would mean that the prosecutors won the cases. If the prosecutors hypothetically did win, then Obama shouldn't hold office. I think the context you are thinking of is "not being debunked as of yet". PS: I'm happy that post didn't have any flames in it. See how much easier it is to talk now? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meol Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I really can't understand how you guys keep arguing when you both ultimately agree. :? Anyway, you're driving the thread Off-Topic way too much so I'll have to ask you to drop the discussion or move it to PM if you really really want to. Thanks. This signature is intentionally left blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystik01 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 This is information that weighs in favor of my argument that this is not a racial thing. Even though I consider Obama my white President, and I will continue to consider him that until people stop considering him a black president. He is just Mr President. Why? why what? Why do you consider him "white", when he doesn't consider himself "white"? I really couldn't care about it one way or another, but as long as people are going to "praise" him for being black, I shall praise his other side of him which he is equal parts white. And I will do so until people start to just praise him for being Mr President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariusman Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 **Aimed at the thread and American public in general** As long as people keep praising him for being I will keep telling them to smarten the hell up and realize that him being black/white/whatever has nothing to do with his performance as a president. Stop lifting him onto a pedestal just because he is something that he couldn't choose. Lift him onto a pedestal if he actually does something worthy of said pedestal. Question his place of birth all you want; until he is proven to have not been born on American soil, let him do his job. Y'know, the thing he was elected to do. There's no such thing as regret. A regret means you are unhappy with the person you are now,and if you're unhappy with the person you are, you change yourself. Thatregret will no longer be a regret, because it will help to form the new,better you. So really, a regret isn't a regret. It's experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryztalwing Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Fact is the guy was trying to play the race card. Scandal and rumors follows all politicians in Washington. But if it involves a "black" man, it is racist? The situation with Obama, and the questioning of the legitimacy of his claim to the White House was suspect when there wasn't a birth certificate that was produced to verify that he was a natural born US citizen. Which is a legitimate claim, up until when it was verified. And as BS as these lawsuits are becoming, they are not being racist, they are just sore McCain supporters. And I do forsee that whenever Obama runs into any obstacles during his tenure in the White House, ignorant people are going to start pulling the race card. When all the other "white" Presidents ran into roadblocks, it was always political posturing from the other side. But when Mr Obama will encounter any obstructions, it will be because "the man" is keeping him down... Ironic because he is "the man"... No white President ever had their credentials as an American questioned. Scandal and political posturing are one thing but this, in my opinion, stems from race. It was seen throughout the campaign - the implication that Obama was Muslim, wasn't a "real" American and the general attempts to play upon prejudice. That goes beyond the normal murky world of politics and creates a horrible racial underbelly. Fair play to McCain, he personally tried to avoid those tactics (I remember him admonishing a person at one of his rallies for making such comments) however, many Republicans did attempt to make the implication and it is just a continuation of the "he isn't one of us" crusade which stems from the fact that he looks different from previous Presidents. As for Obama pulling the race card, I would also disagree. He deliberately went out of his way to not be just "the black candidate", instead he went out of his way to be the change candidate and appeal to white people. I can only recall one speech regarding race (addressing the Rev Wright controversy). He didn't play on race then so I see no reason why he would play on it now or in the future. The same issue as been around for McCain. In fact lawsuits have also been made agianst him for the same reason. Judge Tosses Lawsuit, Says McCain is 'Natural Born Citizen' A federal judge has thrown out a lawsuit seeking to remove John McCain from the California ballot because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5827998 Leo Donofrio's lawsuit that was turndown by the U.S. Supreme Court was agianst McCain, Obama and Roger Calero over the same issue. http://hubpages.com/hub/Supreme-Court-J ... ligibility This is information that weighs in favor of my argument that this is not a racial thing. Even though I consider Obama my white President, and I will continue to consider him that until people stop considering him a black president. He is just Mr President. In Statutory Construction, the meaning of the term Natural Born Citizen has to be interpreted according to the usage of the day it was used. At the time when the U.S. Constitution was drafted, everybody knew what is meant by the term "Natural Born Citizen" and they didn't have to define it in the Constitution itself because the latter is not a dictionary but a contract with the people. The Law of Nations has been international law, which as documented by Emmerich de Vatel (1758) states, in Chapter XIX, paragraph 212 (note the reference to plural citizens): "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights." John A. Bingham (the chief framer of the related 14th Amendment of the Constitution): "Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen." Obamas vote was one of the unanimous votes for Senate Resolution 511, which he co-authored. S.R.511 was about declaring McCain to be an natural born citizen becuse he was "Born to American citizens. Click on hidden to read the full text and a link to the bill online. [hide=]SENATE RESOLUTION 511 Whereas the Constitution of the USA states the qualifications of the President, a person must be a natural born Citizen of the United States; Whereas the term natural born Citizen, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1,is not defined in the Constitution of the United States; Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their countrys President; Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the natural born Citizen clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congresss own statute defining the term natural born Citizen; Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders; Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born Citizen under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States. The Senate Resolution that was adopted unanimously, with Mr. Obamas approval, declares that natural born means born to American citizens. The plural use of citizens implies that the mother and father are both American citizens. As you may know, Obama's father was Kenyan. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-sr511/show http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtex ... =sr110-511 http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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