superson Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 At any poster from here on out: Define 'natural born citizen'. Not just in your own words, define where in the Constitution they said it. its a trick question In Soviet Russia, glass eats OTers. Alansson Alansson, woo woo woo! Pink owns yes, just like you!GOOOOOOOOOO ALAN! WOO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryztalwing Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution contains the clause: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." The 14th Amendment does not convey the status of natural born Citizen in its text. It just conveys the status of Citizen. And its very clear that in the pre-amendment Constitution, the Framers made a distinction between a Citizen and a natural born Citizen. The requirement to be a Senator or Representative is Citizen, but the requirement to be President is natural born Citizen. From the 14th Amendment: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. But even as to this conveyance of citizenship, those who were responsible for drafting the 14th Amendment made it clear that - to them - the meaning of subject to the jurisdiction thereof meant subject only to the jurisdiction thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 It all depends whether or not 'natural born citizen' includes both Soli (born on US soil) or Sanguinis (child of at least one American parent). I believe that the term is inclusive of both. 'Citizen' would just include Naturalization, which is a fairly simple process by which foreign citizens become an official citizen of the US. A person can also become a citizen if they declare that they are a refugee and provide proof that their country is unsafe. SWAG Mayn U wanna be like me but U can't be me cuz U ain't got ma swagga on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_burritos Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Obama as said his father was Kenyan not American and that is what a lot of the lawsuits are about, the United States Constitution requires that Presidents (and Vice Presidents) of the United States be natural born citizens. His father isn't American, but Barack is. He's the president not his dad. I fail to see the problem here. In the OP's defence, the American president must be born in the USA. Well, apprantly he was (Hawaii), but some people still doubt. Like Serephus said, you must be born on native soil aswell as have one American birth parent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 They probably would have covered this sort of thing in the extensive vetting processes they do. I doubt there's any risk to his presidency at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 His Hawaiian birth certificate has already been proven to be real by multiple official agencies, lawyers and doctors. It can be also viewed by the public [1][2] Completely useless lawsuits by try-hard "experts" and a few people unable to accept the outcome of the election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 2) Guys, look who the OP is. Since when has a topic by this author every created that didn't have some sort of sensationalist news story that always gets knocked down? cryztalwing + anything to do with politics = crackpot theory that should be ignored. That is the basic equation that any new off-topic poster should memorise. It should be in the forum rules. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy500fan Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 The issue is real, legislators joining in the effort that seeks Obama's birth certificate http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/feb/1 ... ks-obamas/ Lol, those are two county officials from Tennessee. This issue has already been solved, he was born in Hawaii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieMcD Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Racist bull[cabbage] is my view on it, I wonder if Obama was white but his dad was British or Irish for the sake of debate would people bring any of these cases against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 If any judge did accept the lawsuit, they'd most likely be dead before the case started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerbeer0 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 It's pretty much been established that he qualifies as natural born because he is in the f%#@$@% White House. Stupid topic. OH S***! He/she/it is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I am pretty sure this will have already been checked. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerbeer0 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 y_guy put that so much more eloquently than I did... :roll: OH S***! He/she/it is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 If he gets booted, there's gonna be one hell of a lot of angry black people. And maybe also the majority of America which voted for him to be the President? Wait there, it was only black people who got Obama elected didn't you know? :roll: I hate that smiley but sometimes people's sarcasm detectors are faulty He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystik01 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Racist bull[cabbage] is my view on it, I wonder if Obama was white but his dad was British or Irish for the sake of debate would people bring any of these cases against him. Well lets see...for your sake, I am gonna consider Obama a WHITE president as clearly any intelligent person can figure that out. U are actually being racist yourself by stereotyping Obama's race purely on the color of his skin. He is equally part black as he is white. So what makes him more of one ethnicity over another? Unless of course you re judging on the color his skin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Racist bull[cabbage] is my view on it, I wonder if Obama was white but his dad was British or Irish for the sake of debate would people bring any of these cases against him. Well lets see...for your sake, I am gonna consider Obama a WHITE president as clearly any intelligent person can figure that out. U are actually being racist yourself by stereotyping Obama's race purely on the color of his skin. He is equally part black as he is white. So what makes him more of one ethnicity over another? Unless of course you re judging on the color his skin Saying that somebody isn't white isn't being racist, it's a fact - Obama is mixed race. Stop trying to be a smart-[wagon]. Edit - Ultimately, this whole issue about Obama not being a US citizen does stem from race. If Obama did not have such a diverse background nobody would question his credentials as an American. The whole 'Obama isn't American' crowd are so xenophobic that it amazes me, they're probably the same bunch who tried to label him a Muslim during the election to play on people's irrational fears over Islam and extremism. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku3220 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Racist bull[cabbage] is my view on it, I wonder if Obama was white but his dad was British or Irish for the sake of debate would people bring any of these cases against him. Well lets see...for your sake, I am gonna consider Obama a WHITE president as clearly any intelligent person can figure that out. U are actually being racist yourself by stereotyping Obama's race purely on the color of his skin. He is equally part black as he is white. So what makes him more of one ethnicity over another? Unless of course you re judging on the color his skin Saying that somebody isn't white isn't being racist, it's a fact - Obama is mixed race. Stop trying to be a smart-[wagon]. He was saying that Obama was a mixed race and if people have a problem with him being half black then look towards the white part of him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 He was saying that Kranked was a racist just for stating that he was mixed race (or at least inferring it). That to me is ridiculous, it is not racist to point out people's differences in that way - Obama is mixed race. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystik01 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 He was saying that Kranked was a racist just for stating that he was mixed race (or at least inferring it). That to me is ridiculous, it is not racist to point out people's differences in that way - Obama is mixed race. I fail to believe the person I quoted had the intellectual capacity to infer that he is being treated differently because he is of mixed race. Fact is the guy was trying to play the race card. Scandal and rumors follows all politicians in Washington. But if it involves a "black" man, it is racist? The situation with Obama, and the questioning of the legitimacy of his claim to the White House was suspect when there wasn't a birth certificate that was produced to verify that he was a natural born US citizen. Which is a legitimate claim, up until when it was verified. And as BS as these lawsuits are becoming, they are not being racist, they are just sore McCain supporters. And I do forsee that whenever Obama runs into any obstacles during his tenure in the White House, ignorant people are going to start pulling the race card. When all the other "white" Presidents ran into roadblocks, it was always political posturing from the other side. But when Mr Obama will encounter any obstructions, it will be because "the man" is keeping him down... Ironic because he is "the man"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War_Junky_91 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 He was saying that Kranked was a racist just for stating that he was mixed race (or at least inferring it). That to me is ridiculous, it is not racist to point out people's differences in that way - Obama is mixed race. I fail to believe the person I quoted had the intellectual capacity to infer that he is being treated differently because he is of mixed race. Fact is the guy was trying to play the race card. Scandal and rumors follows all politicians in Washington. But if it involves a "black" man, it is racist? The situation with Obama, and the questioning of the legitimacy of his claim to the White House was suspect when there wasn't a birth certificate that was produced to verify that he was a natural born US citizen. Which is a legitimate claim, up until when it was verified. And as BS as these lawsuits are becoming, they are not being racist, they are just sore McCain supporters. And I do forsee that whenever Obama runs into any obstacles during his tenure in the White House, ignorant people are going to start pulling the race card. When all the other "white" Presidents ran into roadblocks, it was always political posturing from the other side. But when Mr Obama will encounter any obstructions, it will be because "the man" is keeping him down... Ironic because he is "the man"... You said it perfectly. That self-proclaimed racism is exactly why i refuse to support Obamassiah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magekillr Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 cryztalwing, you and your Ron Paul craziness are so out there that I seriously think you need help. Here, these people can help: http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Fact is the guy was trying to play the race card. Scandal and rumors follows all politicians in Washington. But if it involves a "black" man, it is racist? The situation with Obama, and the questioning of the legitimacy of his claim to the White House was suspect when there wasn't a birth certificate that was produced to verify that he was a natural born US citizen. Which is a legitimate claim, up until when it was verified. And as BS as these lawsuits are becoming, they are not being racist, they are just sore McCain supporters. And I do forsee that whenever Obama runs into any obstacles during his tenure in the White House, ignorant people are going to start pulling the race card. When all the other "white" Presidents ran into roadblocks, it was always political posturing from the other side. But when Mr Obama will encounter any obstructions, it will be because "the man" is keeping him down... Ironic because he is "the man"... No white President ever had their credentials as an American questioned. Scandal and political posturing are one thing but this, in my opinion, stems from race. It was seen throughout the campaign - the implication that Obama was Muslim, wasn't a "real" American and the general attempts to play upon prejudice. That goes beyond the normal murky world of politics and creates a horrible racial underbelly. Fair play to McCain, he personally tried to avoid those tactics (I remember him admonishing a person at one of his rallies for making such comments) however, many Republicans did attempt to make the implication and it is just a continuation of the "he isn't one of us" crusade which stems from the fact that he looks different from previous Presidents. As for Obama pulling the race card, I would also disagree. He deliberately went out of his way to not be just "the black candidate", instead he went out of his way to be the change candidate and appeal to white people. I can only recall one speech regarding race (addressing the Rev Wright controversy). He didn't play on race then so I see no reason why he would play on it now or in the future. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystik01 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Fact is the guy was trying to play the race card. Scandal and rumors follows all politicians in Washington. But if it involves a "black" man, it is racist? The situation with Obama, and the questioning of the legitimacy of his claim to the White House was suspect when there wasn't a birth certificate that was produced to verify that he was a natural born US citizen. Which is a legitimate claim, up until when it was verified. And as BS as these lawsuits are becoming, they are not being racist, they are just sore McCain supporters. And I do forsee that whenever Obama runs into any obstacles during his tenure in the White House, ignorant people are going to start pulling the race card. When all the other "white" Presidents ran into roadblocks, it was always political posturing from the other side. But when Mr Obama will encounter any obstructions, it will be because "the man" is keeping him down... Ironic because he is "the man"... No white President ever had their credentials as an American questioned. Scandal and political posturing are one thing but this, in my opinion, stems from race. It was seen throughout the campaign - the implication that Obama was Muslim, wasn't a "real" American and the general attempts to play upon prejudice. That goes beyond the normal murky world of politics and creates a horrible racial underbelly. Fair play to McCain, he personally tried to avoid those tactics (I remember him admonishing a person at one of his rallies for making such comments) however, many Republicans did attempt to make the implication and it is just a continuation of the "he isn't one of us" crusade which stems from the fact that he looks different from previous Presidents. As for Obama pulling the race card, I would also disagree. He deliberately went out of his way to not be just "the black candidate", instead he went out of his way to be the change candidate and appeal to white people. I can only recall one speech regarding race (addressing the Rev Wright controversy). He didn't play on race then so I see no reason why he would play on it now or in the future. Trust me, I am a supporter of Obama. I think he is a very standup guy. My statement did not state he is going to use the race card. My statement stated that some of his more ignorant supporters ie, the bandwangoners who have no idea why they are supporting him other than the fact he was a "black" man. And I do not believe that this is a not stemming from him being bi-racial. This is the typical political tactics pulled from the bottom of the bag to try to discredit the opposing candidate as much as possible. Believe me, if there was a full white candidate who was a islamic, that would totally be pulled into play as the maor concensus in the US is that the Islam world is "bad". If you believe that it is racial, by all means because that is your opinion, as I don't believe it as that. Ever since Clinton, it has been popular to play this dirty politics tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Trust me, I am a supporter of Obama. I think he is a very standup guy. My statement did not state he is going to use the race card. My statement stated that some of his more ignorant supporters ie, the bandwangoners who have no idea why they are supporting him other than the fact he was a "black" man. And I do not believe that this is a not stemming from him being bi-racial. This is the typical political tactics pulled from the bottom of the bag to try to discredit the opposing candidate as much as possible. Believe me, if there was a full white candidate who was a islamic, that would totally be pulled into play as the maor concensus in the US is that the Islam world is "bad". If you believe that it is racial, by all means because that is your opinion, as I don't believe it as that. Ever since Clinton, it has been popular to play this dirty politics tactic. The first paragraph is fair enough, the second , well I'll agree to disagree because we might be just run in circles here. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryztalwing Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 cryztalwing, you and your Ron Paul craziness are so out there that I seriously think you need help. Here, these people can help: http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ Thanks :mrgreen: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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