Why do people relate charms to slayer?

[HOSTiLE_KAi]

"why do people relate charms to slayer"= "Why is summoning related to slayer" You can train summoning with slayer.

 

 

 

"Charms have nothing to do with slayer" wrong, summoning has everything to support slayer

 

 

 

"ppl tell me that training slayer up helps you get more charms"

 

 

 

What I said: Wrong but rather the composition of your charms are improved from your slayer tasks. (assuming they don't have the money and the knowledge of lobs and fiends)

 

 

 

What comp says:

 

But you get better portion of charms if you aren't slaying but by doing rock lobs and waterfiends. (Assuming all money are gathered involving tedious work)

 

 

 

You're better off "training higher on GOOD monsters then obtaining charms is MUCH faster then slayer"

 

(This amount of time + MONEYMAKING (to cover all the costs)+ 100% attention during charm collecting= Total Time) is it less than Total amount of time with slayer and by how much?? How much is a charm this way? How can I earn that to achieve it?

 

 

 

"The brainless argument makes no sense at all - we're arguing about charms, not how much intelligence it takes to kill a specific monster compared to slaying assigned ones."

 

 

 

1)Your specific monsters

 

Rock lobs "You must bring premium equip, setup, know how to trap!"

 

Waterfiends "Crush WEAPON, healers, pray range" You need these knowledge for effective charms in order to work. Are they complex? (That's why it requires the use of guides)

 

 

 

2)Slayer is the simplest way for charms, you just don't have to worry over MONEY as you gather them slowly. For this very reason that requires no brain work.

[Troacctid]

I tell people to train slayer for charms all the time. It usually goes something like this.

 

 

 

Someone: What's the best thing to kill for charms?

 

Me: Waterfiends.

 

Someone: I can't kill waterfiends, they're too hard and/or I can't afford the equipment.

 

Me: Then kill dust devils for charms until you're strong enough for waterfiends.

 

Someone: I don't have 65 slayer.

 

Me: Then train slayer for charms until you can kill dusties, then kill dusties for charms until you can kill waterfiends.

 

Someone: Okay.

 

 

 

Basically, slayer is the third choice at best when it comes to charms. And I don't even consider rock lobsters because so few people can truly afford to be killing them.

[compfreak847]

Black demons are the 3rd best choice, by far. Take a look at some of Qeltar's charm efficiency rates.

 

 

 

"why do people relate charms to slayer"= "Why is summoning related to slayer" You can train summoning with slayer.

 

 

 

"Charms have nothing to do with slayer" wrong, summoning has everything to support slayer

 

 

 

"ppl tell me that training slayer up helps you get more charms"

 

 

 

What I said: Wrong but rather the composition of your charms are improved from your slayer tasks. (assuming they don't have the money and the knowledge of lobs and fiends)

 

 

 

What comp says:

 

But you get better portion of charms if you aren't slaying but by doing rock lobs and waterfiends. (Assuming all money are gathered involving tedious work)

 

 

 

You're better off "training higher on GOOD monsters then obtaining charms is MUCH faster then slayer"

 

(This amount of time + MONEYMAKING (to cover all the costs)+ 100% attention during charm collecting= Total Time) is it less than Total amount of time with slayer and by how much?? How much is a charm this way? How can I earn that to achieve it?

 

 

 

"The brainless argument makes no sense at all - we're arguing about charms, not how much intelligence it takes to kill a specific monster compared to slaying assigned ones."

 

 

 

1)Your specific monsters

 

Rock lobs "You must bring premium equip, setup, know how to trap!"

 

Waterfiends "Crush WEAPON, healers, pray range" You need these knowledge for effective charms in order to work. Are they complex? (That's why it requires the use of guides)

 

 

 

2)Slayer is the simplest way for charms, you just don't have to worry over MONEY as you gather them slowly. For this very reason that requires no brain work.

 

 

 

See my 'slayer sucks' thead for a 1,600 page debunking of your post. Slayer is a slower, less efficient method of training that has become obsolete.

[Abc1230]

People train slayer for total level! What part of that don't you understand? If you're training slayer, you might as well pick up a few charms here and there. I agree that slayer is an obsolete training method, but it does break up the monotony of camping at one monster for days. Bottom line, some people like variety. If they are training slayer, why not pick up a few charms. It requires virtually no effort to pick up a charm. That's what I meant when I said you're killing two birds with one stone.

[compfreak847]

Total levels can be trained far faster by most people using other methods; very few need to train above 80. You can argue about variety; that's a personal opinion. But when it comes down to the numbers, and charms are numbers, slayer is inferior. That's my point.

[Abc1230]

You're absolutely correct, but that's not what I'm saying. I guess what I'm trying to say is; people will train "pointless" skills no matter what for one reason or another.

 

Other than quests, firemaking is completely useless. Yet despite this, even somebody in f2p maxed it out. Just because you don't like a skill doesn't mean people will stop training. I agree that slayer is, by far, one of the worst ways to train combat. People still train slayer past 99 even knowing this.

 

Could there possibly be a hole in your theory?

[Troacctid]

You're absolutely correct, but that's not what I'm saying. I guess what I'm trying to say is; people will train "pointless" skills no matter what for one reason or another.

 

Other than quests, firemaking is completely useless. Yet despite this, even somebody in f2p maxed it out. Just because you don't like a skill doesn't mean people will stop training. I agree that slayer is, by far, one of the worst ways to train combat. People still train slayer past 99 even knowing this.

 

Could there possibly be a hole in your theory?

 

Well you agree with him anyway...I'm sure we can all concede that anyone who wants to train slayer is free to train it all they like, it's just that they'll be sacrificing some speed and profit to do it.

 

 

 

The hole in the theory would come up if you're a crazy fast slayer who can somehow get faster experience from slayer than from some other method, and even then it would still be a relatively poor method for obtaining charms because of all the tasks that don't drop a lot of them.

[compfreak847]

Yup. Don't argue if you don't disagree :lol:

[Abc1230]

You're missing the point. All I'm saying is how charms are related to slayer, hence the name of this topic.

[HOSTiLE_KAi]

Black demons are the 3rd best choice, by far. Take a look at some of Qeltar's charm efficiency rates.

 

 

 

"why do people relate charms to slayer"= "Why is summoning related to slayer" You can train summoning with slayer.

 

 

 

"Charms have nothing to do with slayer" wrong, summoning has everything to support slayer

 

 

 

"ppl tell me that training slayer up helps you get more charms"

 

 

 

What I said: Wrong but rather the composition of your charms are improved from your slayer tasks. (assuming they don't have the money and the knowledge of lobs and fiends)

 

 

 

What comp says:

 

But you get better portion of charms if you aren't slaying but by doing rock lobs and waterfiends. (Assuming all money are gathered involving tedious work)

 

 

 

You're better off "training higher on GOOD monsters then obtaining charms is MUCH faster then slayer"

 

(This amount of time + MONEYMAKING (to cover all the costs)+ 100% attention during charm collecting= Total Time) is it less than Total amount of time with slayer and by how much?? How much is a charm this way? How can I earn that to achieve it?

 

 

 

"The brainless argument makes no sense at all - we're arguing about charms, not how much intelligence it takes to kill a specific monster compared to slaying assigned ones."

 

 

 

1)Your specific monsters

 

Rock lobs "You must bring premium equip, setup, know how to trap!"

 

Waterfiends "Crush WEAPON, healers, pray range" You need these knowledge for effective charms in order to work. Are they complex? (That's why it requires the use of guides)

 

 

 

2)Slayer is the simplest way for charms, you just don't have to worry over MONEY as you gather them slowly. For this very reason that requires no brain work.

 

 

 

See my 'slayer sucks' thead for a 1,600 page debunking of your post. Slayer is a slower, less efficient method of training that has become obsolete.

 

 

 

I understand your stand point, but yes your method is fast but charm cost raises SIGNIFICANTLY. I'm no fan of money making but our goals maybe alike. Oh yea your thread is great just tooooo lengthy- measuring, trying to get maximum results with least time wasn't my way of gaming :wall: We aren't machines to begin with. :lol: eventually I'll have no intention to powertrain for charms (currently 94 slayer with charms enough to get 92, ~7.7k crimsons to yaks).

[compfreak847]

I can make money using avansies (815k an hour) or green dragons (650k + 200k in charms), and come out with twice the charms and money you will. There's no argument logically, and I personally enjoy those monsters then running around wasting my time killing small amounts of inefficient monsters. You play your way, I'll play mine, but there's no argument about which provides more charms.

[JoeDaStudd]

compfreak847, going on one again.

 

 

 

The big thing you miss is if your wanting to train slayer anyway then summoning goes hand in hand with it.

 

The higher your slayer the higher your summoning should be and the higher your summoning the quicker you can slay.

 

 

 

Sure if you don't want to slay then you can still train summoning, but as I said in on of the very first posts, slayer monsters (and those which are assigned) have a slightly higher charm drop rate.

 

 

 

Sure you can camp waterfiends and rock lobsters, but that soon gets boring slayer offers a way of combining random monsters, combat exp, slayer exp and variety in training.

 

Same goes for money making you can do the same thing day in day out to but the game just gets boring. The games not meant to be grind fest its meant to be a game which you enjoy (hence all the mini games, diversions and random mishaps).

 

 

 

Play to have fun, not to win everything.

[Mercifull]

I don't like slayer because a) I don't like being told what to do, and B) most slayer monsters dont drop decent levels of charms.

 

 

 

For me it seems better to kill the most efficient charm dropping monsters for a high summoning level and then use combat familiars to speed up slayer if/when i bother training it.

 

 

 

From killing the monsters of MY choice for charms I have almost reached 99 in all melee stats (str, att, def, hp) and have a summoning level of 85. I have not done slayer since starting my charm collecting at the beginning of this year. I intend to burst rock lobsters once i reach 99 hp and not only collect charms the fastest way but also max my magic to 99 too. This would never have happened had i chosen to do slayer for charms.

[Dire_Wolf]

Alot of players think Slayer has it all, when it don't.

 

 

 

They think because they get Slayer exp + kill monster (melee/ranged exp)+get charms(Summ exp) that it's automatically GREAT for everything.

 

 

 

Slayer is a skill i dislike. Because it is being related to combat skills like if it helps them.

 

 

 

If your at for example General Graardor, how will 99 slayer help you there?

 

 

 

Slayer is not a combat skill, it just uses combat as a skill.

 

 

 

For example...Woodcutting+Firemaking/Fletching, Fishing and Cooking, Mining and Smithing..

 

 

 

Combat skills+ Slayer...

 

 

 

I hate that "Slayer is the best" always. I know alot people enjoy it and i am happy for them. But for me as a meleer i choose to get 99 Slayer.

 

 

 

Not because i love it, but because it is a obstacle that will haunt me. Slayer is the first skill i have ever wanted to do (relating to combat) because of the cape+obstancles in future that will appear.

 

 

 

I loved Strength, the skill and the cape and every other aspect.

 

I love Defence and anything related to it.

 

I love Att...

 

 

 

I love this...i love that.

 

 

 

But slayer, i don't love it.

[compfreak847]

 

compfreak847, going on one again.

 

 

 

The big thing you miss is if your wanting to train slayer anyway then summoning goes hand in hand with it.

 

The higher your slayer the higher your summoning should be and the higher your summoning the quicker you can slay.

 

 

 

Sure if you don't want to slay then you can still train summoning, but as I said in on of the very first posts, slayer monsters (and those which are assigned) have a slightly higher charm drop rate.

 

 

 

Sure you can camp waterfiends and rock lobsters, but that soon gets boring slayer offers a way of combining random monsters, combat exp, slayer exp and variety in training.

 

Same goes for money making you can do the same thing day in day out to but the game just gets boring. The games not meant to be grind fest its meant to be a game which you enjoy (hence all the mini games, diversions and random mishaps).

 

 

 

Play to have fun, not to win everything.

 

Read my argument about challenge scrolls. By your logic, it's completely pointless to ever train any other way until you get all of them, because you'll be wasting your time at 99. It's a very close parallel to slayer; they both give slower charms and money and give absolutely no advantage when finished.

[JoeDaStudd]

If your at for example General Graardor, how will 99 slayer help you there?

 

Well K'ril Tsutsaroth is counted as a Lesser Demon for slayer tasks which allows you to use the black mask or slayer helm for a hefty 15% boost. :twisted:

 

 

 

I agree it would offer a little more in the way of a combat related boost.

 

But think of it like this Mining and smithing go hand in hand, but does a higher smithing level help you with mining?

 

 

 

compfreek847, again the whole aim of a game is not to rush to the end, its the journey of getting to the end and enjoying whatever you do to get there and whatever you do after.

 

 

 

I feel sorry for people who have to play to win.

 

I'd rather spend 30 minutes helping someone out with a quest, chatting with them and having some fun then sit there high alching for 30 minutes.

 

 

 

I suppose its each to there own.

 

 

 

O and my logic is do whatever you find fun.

[pureprayer]

If your at for example General Graardor, how will 99 slayer help you there?

 

Well K'ril Tsutsaroth is counted as a Lesser Demon for slayer tasks which allows you to use the black mask or slayer helm for a hefty 15% boost. :twisted:

 

 

 

I agree it would offer a little more in the way of a combat related boost.

 

But think of it like this Mining and smithing go hand in hand, but does a higher smithing level help you with mining?

 

 

 

compfreek847, again the whole aim of a game is not to rush to the end, its the journey of getting to the end and enjoying whatever you do to get there and whatever you do after.

 

 

 

I feel sorry for people who have to play to win.

 

I'd rather spend 30 minutes helping someone out with a quest, chatting with them and having some fun then sit there high alching for 30 minutes.

 

 

 

I suppose its each to there own.

 

 

 

O and my logic is do whatever you find fun.

 

You can have a lesser demon task at 55 slayer (only point worth training it up to for efficiency)

 

 

 

Its the same thing with the fighter torso, an addy chainbody is better for efficiency but if you like the game (BA) why not play it and get a torso?

 

 

 

Hunter relates to almost no skill. It is worth less if you have a better source of money then Hunter. BUT if you like training it why not train it?

[Dire_Wolf]

If your at for example General Graardor, how will 99 slayer help you there?

 

Well K'ril Tsutsaroth is counted as a Lesser Demon for slayer tasks which allows you to use the black mask or slayer helm for a hefty 15% boost. :twisted:

 

 

 

I agree it would offer a little more in the way of a combat related boost.

 

But think of it like this Mining and smithing go hand in hand, but does a higher smithing level help you with mining?

 

 

 

compfreek847, again the whole aim of a game is not to rush to the end, its the journey of getting to the end and enjoying whatever you do to get there and whatever you do after.

 

 

 

I feel sorry for people who have to play to win.

 

I'd rather spend 30 minutes helping someone out with a quest, chatting with them and having some fun then sit there high alching for 30 minutes.

 

 

 

I suppose its each to there own.

 

 

 

O and my logic is do whatever you find fun.

 

 

 

1 Day i used over 6 hours going to Chaeldar (Zanaris slayer master) for a lesser demon task, and she was best for that (Vannaka, i doubt gives it more)...

 

 

 

In 6 hours of getting tasks and burtorping them...I got no lesser task. But i have gotten lesser tasks and i actually did over 100+ kills of LEsser demons at Zamorak boss room (Boss+range serg).

 

 

 

But then again...

 

 

 

I have killed Zamorak boss alot of times since beginning of GWD, and yet to have gotten a HILT. (Team wise and Solo wise).