Why do people relate charms to slayer?

[Intermagma]

From what I see, charms have nothing to do with slayer, but ppl tell me that training slayer up helps you get more charms. How is this?

[NuckingFuts]

Because pretty much all of the monsters you have to kill in slayer tasks drop charms? Gold being very common and such.

[spyderownzyou]

slayer monster's charm drop rate is higher than none slayer monster's?

 

i think

[JoeDaStudd]

Slayer monsters and assigned monsters drop a slightly higher amount of charms when compared to most non slayer monsters, this added to the quicker kill time the black mask/slayer helm proves, results in a decent number of charms.

[saladplease]

its probably because many people dont specifically kill a type of monster 4 charms e.g hell hounds 4 golds, when they do their tasks they just think slayers good for charms but there are much quicker ways

[Fekambard]

Because slayer is ALOT more fun than camping for charms. Yes the charms come slowly but it is considered a bonus as you concentrate on slayer xp as well as the fact that you would be training Attack/Strength/Defence/Range, Hitpoints, Slayer and Summoning in one go.

 

 

 

I didn't include Magic as pretty much no-one trains Magic through Slayer.

[smobo]

If you trained from 1-99 slayer, depending on your slayer master and the tasks you cancel, and you gathered all the charms that dropped, you'll get somewhere between 96-99 sum when you hit 99 slayer. I'm going for 99 slayer eventually, and the rate I'm going I'll no doubt be 98 or 99 sum by the time i get there. So to someone like me, busting or camping water fiends, or something like that is a waste of time, seeing as 99 sum will probably just "happen" as a result of my slayer training.

[ilovecardj]

started both at 1. I hit 99 summon at 98 slayer with some good task blocking and skipping strategies.

 

 

 

Slayer covered all costs and charms of 99 summon, so I can definately relate the 2 together. I spent no extra time hunting charms at other places so It can be a complete side effect of training slayer

[mister_moocky]

Slayer = kill stuff = charms, so slayer = charms. I plan to get 81-99 mage bursting lobs 90-99 atk/str/def on waterfiends (or to whatever melees I no longer need charms for 99) which'll be far faster charms then slayer though. Slayer isn't good for much.

[HOSTiLE_KAi]

"Training slayer up helps you get more charm"

 

No necessarily the number of charms, because 1k crimsons would be farrr better than 1k gold. But rather the composition of your charms are improved from your slayer tasks.

 

 

 

Slaying might get your like 50% crims 50% of other kinds

 

 

 

Power train might get your 20 or 30% crims and the rest in other kinds.

 

 

 

That's what I believe to be.

[compfreak847]

"Training slayer up helps you get more charm"

 

No necessarily the number of charms, because 1k crimsons would be farrr better than 1k gold. But rather the composition of your charms are improved from your slayer tasks.

 

 

 

Slaying might get your like 50% crims 50% of other kinds

 

 

 

Power train might get your 20 or 30% crims and the rest in other kinds.

 

 

 

That's what I believe to be.

 

Opposite is true. Slayer will give a slow assortment of various types of charms; powertraining at waterfiends or rock lobsters will give you a fast supply of crimsons with much faster overall summoning XP.

[langer]

People will advise to gather charms through slayer as you are basically training combat, slayer and summoning all in one activity. Therefore maximazing your time in-game focusing on various skills instead of powerleveling one skill after another. Slayer is not the fastest way to level both combat and summoning, but it is the most balanced way (and thus faster way) to achieve 99 in all these skills.

 

 

 

See smobo's post for another relatively similar explanation.

 

 

 

If your only concern is to raise summoning as fast as possible... don't do slayer and focus on crimson-dropping monsters (waterfiends, rock lobsters, cockroaches... and various slayer related monsters).

[HOSTiLE_KAi]

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"Training slayer up helps you get more charm"

 

No necessarily the number of charms, because 1k crimsons would be farrr better than 1k gold. But rather the composition of your charms are improved from your slayer tasks.

 

 

 

Slaying might get your like 50% crims 50% of other kinds

 

 

 

Power train might get your 20 or 30% crims and the rest in other kinds.

 

 

 

That's what I believe to be.

 

Opposite is true. Slayer will give a slow assortment of various types of charms; powertraining at waterfiends or rock lobsters will give you a fast supply of crimsons with much faster overall summoning XP.

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Phew I didn't say it was fast charms from slaying, but I did missuse the word "powertrain" *cough*I don't suppose magma would do fiends / lobs for charms, if he does thats great.

[compfreak847]

People will advise to gather charms through slayer as you are basically training combat, slayer and summoning all in one activity. Therefore maximazing your time in-game focusing on various skills instead of powerleveling one skill after another. Slayer is not the fastest way to level both combat and summoning, but it is the most balanced way (and thus faster way) to achieve 99 in all these skills.

 

 

 

See smobo's post for another relatively similar explanation.

 

 

 

If your only concern is to raise summoning as fast as possible... don't do slayer and focus on crimson-dropping monsters (waterfiends, rock lobsters, cockroaches... and various slayer related monsters).

 

Only true if one plans to train slayer. By the same token, challenge scrolls are the best possible way to train melee; it's the fastest way to get melee and challenge scroll, and your wasting your time if you get them after 99. But, like slayer, challenge scrolls provide 0 benefit. The whole 'slayer is the most efficient way to train slayer' argument is baloney.

 

 

Phew I didn't say it was fast charms from slaying, but I did missuse the word "powertrain" *cough*I don't suppose magma would do fiends / lobs for charms, if he does thats great.

 

But rather the composition of your charms are improved from your slayer tasks.

 

Slayer offers far worse 'composition of your charms' then ANY of the summoning powertraining methods.

[HOSTiLE_KAi]

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People will advise to gather charms through slayer as you are basically training combat, slayer and summoning all in one activity. Therefore maximazing your time in-game focusing on various skills instead of powerleveling one skill after another. Slayer is not the fastest way to level both combat and summoning, but it is the most balanced way (and thus faster way) to achieve 99 in all these skills.

 

 

 

See smobo's post for another relatively similar explanation.

 

 

 

If your only concern is to raise summoning as fast as possible... don't do slayer and focus on crimson-dropping monsters (waterfiends, rock lobsters, cockroaches... and various slayer related monsters).

 

Only true if one plans to train slayer. By the same token, challenge scrolls are the best possible way to train melee; it's the fastest way to get melee and challenge scroll, and your wasting your time if you get them after 99. But, like slayer, challenge scrolls provide 0 benefit. The whole 'slayer is the most efficient way to train slayer' argument is baloney.

 

 

Phew I didn't say it was fast charms from slaying, but I did missuse the word "powertrain" *cough*I don't suppose magma would do fiends / lobs for charms, if he does thats great.

 

But rather the composition of your charms are improved from your slayer tasks.

 

Slayer offers far worse 'composition of your charms' then ANY of the summoning powertraining methods.

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I did base 'composition of your charms' from the fact that only a segment of players actually train summoning are mostly 100+, a typical player may not know waterfiends/ lobs at all, let alone having the equipment and attempting at all. Lack of luxury kills the summoning powertraining methods, even if its true.

 

 

 

So what do you do if you can't use waterfiends / rock lobs?? by killing Random giants? NPCs? (That's where my original argument of composition of charms should've belonged)

 

 

 

Slayer would be the sensible (or brainless) method for average people after certain level is achieved (like 75?). If they don't have it/ decent combat stats, then that's their issue.

 

 

 

That's where compfreak, your fastest armoured zombies method comes in for people who want combat stats up.

 

 

 

To summarize, we all have different situations, so you can't go with 'the truth' all the time.

[compfreak847]

We are talking about charms, not combat experience. The 'average level', according to XP, is 92, so don't bother with that. To skew the results even further, most low levels don't bother doing serious summoning training; they see it as a waste of money. Slayer is even worse at low levels, with few charms and really bad XP; training higher on GOOD monsters then obtaining charms is MUCH faster then slayer.

 

 

 

The brainless argument makes no sense at all - we're arguing about charms, not how much intelligence it takes to kill a specific monster compared to slaying assigned ones.

[Danqazmlp]

Training slayer will usually have to be done by most people at some point, and while doing it you can get a fair amount of charms as a by product, and money to pay for using the charms. If you just hunted for the charms, you would eventually have to train slayer on itsown, taking up more time in total, getting you charms you probably won't need, and will probably cost you a fair but hunting the charms.

[compfreak847]

Why does slayer 'have to be trained'? Level 55 is all you'll EVER need, and that low of a level can be obtained very quickly (and doesn't grant many charms). It's back to my champion scroll argument.

[bedman]

Why does slayer 'have to be trained'? Level 55 is all you'll EVER need, and that low of a level can be obtained very quickly (and doesn't grant many charms). It's back to my champion scroll argument.

 

According to that logic, you should only train your melee skills, magic, and summoning... (which you more or less do). However, as you know, and as raw material prices are telling us, people play this game to get high skills, including slayer.

[compfreak847]

 

According to that logic, you should only train your melee skills, magic, and summoning... (which you more or less do). However, as you know, and as raw material prices are telling us, people play this game to get high skills, including slayer.

 

Yup, that's why I train slayer too. Unfortunately, that relates in no way to charms. There is no difference between slayer and champion scrolls; both of the require sacrificing XP\GP\time to obtain, and give no advantage whatsoever. You can't say 'you shouldn't powertrain because then your wasting your time when you get champion scrolls'.

[Abc1230]

Slayer monsters drop charms. Kill two birds with one stone.

[compfreak847]

Slayer monsters drop charms. Kill two birds with one stone.

 

Unfortunately, in the time it takes to heave the one large stone at two birds, three small stones can be used to kill 3 birds.

[Danqazmlp]

Slayer monsters drop charms. Kill two birds with one stone.

 

Unfortunately, in the time it takes to heave the one large stone at two birds, three small stones can be used to kill 3 birds.

 

 

 

Not so, it would definately take alot longer to get say 90 summoning then 90 slayer, than to just get 90 slayer and train to 90 summon with the charms got from slaying.

 

 

 

Also, i don't get why you say slayer has no point, it can bring you a fair amount of money.

[compfreak847]

 

Not so, it would definately take alot longer to get say 90 summoning then 90 slayer, than to just get 90 slayer and train to 90 summon with the charms got from slaying.

 

 

 

Also, i don't get why you say slayer has no point, it can bring you a fair amount of money.

 

Because it brings you much less money then other methods. Slayer is a 'fun' side; training it results in less XP and gives no advantages whatsoever. 90 slayer has 0 advantages over 55.

 

 

 

Same thing for champion scrolls; is every form of melee training 'worthless' besides hunting for scrolls, because your wasting your time getting them at 99?

[Abc1230]

Think of summoning as a bonus for training slayer.