Why can't adults drink?

[Zierro]

I was busy ...

 

 

 

Not busy enough to prevent you from making a post with no discussion value.

 

 

 

Oh and lookie here, even though you said you're going to get to the argument side, your post still has no relevant points. Nothing but you complaining about how pointless this whole argument is. You even glossed over our posts that actually did have discussion value conveniently. Instead of making actual rebuttals to the points at hand, you just go for the flaming because you know that's your only option left. And everyone can see for themselves too. SSJ and I provided those reasons you wanted so bad of the positive effects of alcohol, but your response to them is nothing more than irrelevant crying. Goes to show how "great" your points are.

 

 

 

Given that I have just said all that shall we agree to disagree? Instead of childishly saying "I already have [insert usless pathetic insult here]".

 

 

 

But I already have. Nothing you say is going to convince me that I'm an idiot for drinking alcohol. I already agreed to disagree from the very start.

 

 

 

Speaking of childish pathetic insults is this "You do know you're insulting yourself more than me, right?" an ever so slightly more mature version of saying "I am rubber you are glue" :roll: That says alot about you.

 

 

 

That would mean that I provided no reasoning, whereas I have and you have not. You just said that talking to me was like doing this for an hour: :wall:

 

 

 

First of all, how is it like doing that for an hour? Because your points are horrendously flawed that I disprove them in seconds and have to repeat myself since you seem to not acknowledge the fact that your logic against alcohol can be used against video games, cars, sports, or anything else?

 

 

 

Second of all, it is an insult to yourself because it's not a very smart thing to do :wall: for an hour, is it? Like I said, nobody is forcing you to post here so I don't see why you're making it such a burden on yourself. You keep shooting yourself in the foot each and every time you post. You're making quite a name for yourself. Which reminds me... perfetc... I couldn't think of a better name for you myself.

[Plugpoint]

Zierro's absolutely correct in that every time you post you shoot yourself in the foot. Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

 

 

All your recent posts have gone from making no valid points to no points at all. You're not obliged to reply, so what if you think you have to reply? It's the internet, people won't care if you don't. You may aswell stop seeing as all you do now is bemoan the fact that you keep posting.

[perfetc]

So you agree the last few pages of posts are just spam but when I make a comment that is also spam but with very little to with alcohol, it is worse? :|

 

 

 

There was a point to it but you never saw it, go back and read it again.

 

 

 

I could very easily go and quote all of your points put my opinions underneath then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same so on and so forth like the other 10 pages (I am guessing) so what is the point?

 

 

 

I havn't run out of arguments cos you havn't run out of arguments. As long as your are clinging on to the same arguments I will cling to my arguments, like we have done for the last 10 pages (again, I am guessing).

 

 

 

Would you like me to prove my point and go and quote them all? Cos I will.

 

 

 

Btw I think it is adorable that you two are so close "I totaly agree with everything he says", "he is totaly correct", "everything he says is true". Awww, so nice, good for you two! :thumbsup:

[Zierro]

So you agree the last few pages of posts are just spam but when I make a comment that is also spam but with very little to with alcohol, it is worse?

 

 

 

Like I said, SSJ and I were at least attempting to be on topic, but you completely ignored any relevant point we made.

 

 

 

I could very easily go and quote all of your points put my opinions underneath then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same so on and so forth like the other 10 pages (I am guessing) so what is the point?

 

 

 

Yeah... making a paragraph like that had a much better point to it, right?

 

 

 

I havn't run out of arguments cos you havn't run out of arguments. As long as your are clinging on to the same arguments I will cling to my arguments, like we have done for the last 10 pages (again, I am guessing).

 

 

 

You don't give counterarguments though. You just skip the arguments I made and ramble on about how stupid I am and how pointless this discussion is. We provided you with beneficial results that come from alcohol. Instead of trying to disprove them or do anything with them at all, you just go into tangent mode. Even though I still disagree with the other people on this thread, at least they gave some reasons as to why alcohol is worse than video games and such, but all you have been doing is... Yeah, I don't even know what the hell you are doing at this point. I think since you failed at the initial argument you just keep creating new ones out of thin air to "even the score" so to speak.

 

 

 

Would you like me to prove my point and go and quote them all? Cos I will.

 

 

 

Yes, prove how drinking alcohol makes you an idiot. I've been asking you to do this for quite a long time now.

 

 

 

Btw I think it is adorable that you two are so close "I totaly agree with everything he says", "he is totaly correct", "everything he says is true". Awww, so nice, good for you two!

 

 

 

We aren't close, we just happen to agree with each other. Of course you are going to say that to make it appear like we're friends that are just ganging up on you, but in reality we're just a few strangers that have come to the unanimous decision that you are hurting yourself more than you are defending yourself.

[perfetc]

So you agree the last few pages of posts are just spam but when I make a comment that is also spam but with very little to with alcohol, it is worse?

 

 

 

Like I said, SSJ and I were at least attempting to be on topic, but you completely ignored any relevant point we made.

 

 

 

I mentioned alcohol ...

 

 

 

I could very easily go and quote all of your points put my opinions underneath then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same then you do the same then I do the same so on and so forth like the other 10 pages (I am guessing) so what is the point?

 

 

 

Yeah... making a paragraph like that had a much better point to it, right?

 

 

 

Yeah, its was a fact, that is all we have been doing.

 

 

 

I havn't run out of arguments cos you havn't run out of arguments. As long as your are clinging on to the same arguments I will cling to my arguments, like we have done for the last 10 pages (again, I am guessing).

 

 

 

You don't give counterarguments though. You just skip the arguments I made and ramble on about how stupid I am and how pointless this discussion is. We provided you with beneficial results that come from alcohol. Instead of trying to disprove them or do anything with them at all, you just go into tangent mode. Even though I still disagree with the other people on this thread, at least they gave some reasons as to why alcohol is worse than video games and such, but all you have been doing is... Yeah, I don't even know what the hell you are doing at this point. I think since you failed at the initial argument you just keep creating new ones out of thin air to "even the score" so to speak.

 

 

 

How the tables have turned read the 1st few pages of when I started posting seriously on this thread that is all I got but now I am doing what you did. All you were doing was going on and on about how wrong I was (in your opinion) you never gave anything to oppose my views just that you did.

 

 

 

Would you like me to prove my point and go and quote them all? Cos I will.

 

 

 

Yes, prove how drinking alcohol makes you an idiot. I've been asking you to do this for quite a long time now.

 

 

 

Twice. Previous to that I was telling you but you refused to accept my views as being my views wereas I accepted you had your views and I had mine.

 

 

 

Btw I think it is adorable that you two are so close "I totaly agree with everything he says", "he is totaly correct", "everything he says is true". Awww, so nice, good for you two!

 

 

 

We aren't close, we just happen to agree with each other. Of course you are going to say that to make it appear like we're friends that are just ganging up on you, but in reality we're just a few strangers that have come to the unanimous decision that you are hurting yourself more than you are defending yourself.

 

 

 

No, I kind of assumed you don't know each other since the other guy lives in aus and there are plenty of other countries so my assuming your not aussie is just a numbers game, I could be wrong how ever.

 

 

 

See what I mean about I can still argue. I say I am bored of going round in circles cos I am. If I had no points left to make I would say that but since you keep saying the same things I will carry on saying the same things right back at you. Which kind of makes you a lier, you keep saying that you are willing to agree to disagree but you keep arguing instead of just posting a one liner saying ok we agree to disagree, then it will be over.

[Plugpoint]

I don't see what you mean about you can still argue. You can't argue for [cabbage].

 

And "you refused to accept my views as being my views wereas I accepted you had your views and I had mine" - we accepted your views but disagreed with them in the same way that you say you accepted our views but disagreed with them. Although, despite people accepting your views due to your reasons for them, I haven't noticed you accepting our views particularly, instead preferring to call us idiots for drinking and refusing to acknowledge our reasons as to why drinking it can be a positive experience.

 

And as for the "you two are so close" bit, I don't remember ever talking to Zierro before. Actually we're not even talking to each other as far as I'm aware, we're talking to you whilst referencing each other.

 

Go on, be unpredictable and reply telling us how silly it is that you're now posted 47 times on this thread or something equally relevant and entertaining.

[perfetc]

I don't see what you mean about you can still argue. You can't argue for [cabbage].

 

And "you refused to accept my views as being my views wereas I accepted you had your views and I had mine" - we accepted your views but disagreed with them in the same way that you say you accepted our views but disagreed with them. Although, despite people accepting your views due to your reasons for them, I haven't noticed you accepting our views particularly, instead preferring to call us idiots for drinking and refusing to acknowledge our reasons as to why drinking it can be a positive experience.

 

And as for the "you two are so close" bit, I don't remember ever talking to Zierro before. Actually we're not even talking to each other as far as I'm aware, we're talking to you whilst referencing each other.

 

Go on, be unpredictable and reply telling us how silly it is that you're now posted 47 times on this thread or something equally relevant and entertaining.

 

 

 

Go to page 10.

 

Press ctrl and then f.

 

Type in "understand".

 

Click next.

 

If it highlights something read that sentence.

 

Click next again.

 

If something comes up read it.

 

When something doesn't come up go to the next page and repeat this process.

 

When you get back to this page tell me how wrong you were (about how I have I understand some, maybe not all, of the things alcohol does).

 

I will expect a post from you soon, toodles.

[Zierro]

I mentioned alcohol ...

 

 

 

Throwing in the word alcohol doesn't make it on topic. You stressed how much you wanted reasons and when given them, you ignored them. And in this post, you still choose to stay as off topic as you can because the more on topic we get, the more people see how your actual argument fails. I don't see anything about the initial discussion in your post. I'll bring it back up though since you are never going to:

 

 

 

1.) Alcohol can have many benefits to drinking it, as long as you are responsible. It is fun, helps you relax, helps you be more open, friendly, generous, and it puts you into a different state of mind so you might come up with new ideas or new methods of doing things. I have many memorable nights thanks to alcohol, and so do many others. Your argument seems to be suggesting that people like alcohol and buy it for absolutely no reason. There are many positive things about alcohol, which is why it's so popular and in high demand.

 

 

 

2.) Drinking alcohol is just as "idiotic" as playing video games or sports. There are always risks involved, but it is up to the user to decide what is worth the money and risk - not you. Don't be a dictator. If you ignore the fact that sports, video games, roller coasters, and cars have potential risks then you are just forming a double standard to suit your argument.

 

 

 

3.) Many intelligent men have gotten drunk before. Getting drunk isn't an activity that only [developmentally delayed]s engage in, like what you suggested. There are millions of people with an IQ over 25 who have gotten drunk before.

 

 

 

But of course you are probably going to think of some way to justify ignoring all of those points with that beautiful logic of yours. Can't wait to see what you come up with this time.

 

 

 

How the tables have turned read the 1st few pages of when I started posting seriously on this thread that is all I got but now I am doing what you did. All you were doing was going on and on about how wrong I was (in your opinion) you never gave anything to oppose my views just that you did.

 

 

 

Wow, you're honestly saying I never gave reasons for opposing your views? Just do yourself a favor and search the words "video games" and "sports" in this thread. It's surprising how you missed them every single time I posted them, which was probably at least 10.

 

 

 

Twice. Previous to that I was telling you but you refused to accept my views as being my views wereas I accepted you had your views and I had mine.

 

 

 

Twice? Now I'm starting to think you are just reading a sentence or two then posting your reply. You conveniently didn't see the reasons of why alcohol can be good, you conveniently didn't see the reasons of why saying alcohol is for idiots is such a stupid statement, and now you conveniently didn't see me telling you how off topic your points are and how you should at least speak about things pertaining to the matter at hand.

 

 

 

See what I mean about I can still argue. I say I am bored of going round in circles cos I am. If I had no points left to make I would say that but since you keep saying the same things I will carry on saying the same things right back at you. Which kind of makes you a lier, you keep saying that you are willing to agree to disagree but you keep arguing instead of just posting a one liner saying ok we agree to disagree, then it will be over.

 

 

 

Agreeing to disagree still has the word disagree in it. I think your definition of it is for me to stop posting and let you have the last word... that's not what it means though.

[Plugpoint]

The first time you'd said the word "understand" after page ten was on page 13 or 14. You said it twice, then had the audacity to tell us to search how many times you'd said it. You clearly don't understand, because you keep arguing back.

[perfetc]

I mentioned alcohol ...

 

 

 

Throwing in the word alcohol doesn't make it on topic. You stressed how much you wanted reasons and when given them, you ignored them. And in this post, you still choose to stay as off topic as you can because the more on topic we get, the more people see how your actual argument fails. I don't see anything about the initial discussion in your post. I'll bring it back up though since you are never going to:

 

 

 

1.) Alcohol can have many benefits to drinking it, as long as you are responsible. It is fun, helps you relax, helps you be more open, friendly, generous, and it puts you into a different state of mind so you might come up with new ideas or new methods of doing things. I have many memorable nights thanks to alcohol, and so do many others. Your argument seems to be suggesting that people like alcohol and buy it for absolutely no reason. There are many positive things about alcohol, which is why it's so popular and in high demand.

 

 

 

2.) Drinking alcohol is just as "idiotic" as playing video games or sports. There are always risks involved, but it is up to the user to decide what is worth the money and risk - not you. Don't be a dictator. If you ignore the fact that sports, video games, roller coasters, and cars have potential risks then you are just forming a double standard to suit your argument.

 

 

 

3.) Many intelligent men have gotten drunk before. Getting drunk isn't an activity that only [developmentally delayed] engage in, like what you suggested. There are millions of people with an IQ over 25 who have gotten drunk before.

 

 

 

But of course you are probably going to think of some way to justify ignoring all of those points with that beautiful logic of yours. Can't wait to see what you come up with this time.

 

 

 

Oh I see, In order for me to have read something I have to comment about. I get it now! I have read these points as many times as you have (or any body else has) posted them but my life doesn't revolve around this thread and I am human so I can forget things.

 

 

 

How the tables have turned read the 1st few pages of when I started posting seriously on this thread that is all I got but now I am doing what you did. All you were doing was going on and on about how wrong I was (in your opinion) you never gave anything to oppose my views just that you did.

 

 

 

Wow, you're honestly saying I never gave reasons for opposing your views? Just do yourself a favor and search the words "video games" and "sports" in this thread. It's surprising how you missed them every single time I posted them, which was probably at least 10.

 

 

 

^ says it all.

 

 

 

Twice. Previous to that I was telling you but you refused to accept my views as being my views wereas I accepted you had your views and I had mine.

 

 

 

Twice? Now I'm starting to think you are just reading a sentence or two then posting your reply. You conveniently didn't see the reasons of why alcohol can be good, you conveniently didn't see the reasons of why saying alcohol is for idiots is such a stupid statement, and now you conveniently didn't see me telling you how off topic your points are and how you should at least speak about things pertaining to the matter at hand.

 

 

 

Same point made 3 times in 1 post, your out doing yourself now, well done. Gold star.

 

 

 

See what I mean about I can still argue. I say I am bored of going round in circles cos I am. If I had no points left to make I would say that but since you keep saying the same things I will carry on saying the same things right back at you. Which kind of makes you a lier, you keep saying that you are willing to agree to disagree but you keep arguing instead of just posting a one liner saying ok we agree to disagree, then it will be over.

 

 

 

Agreeing to disagree still has the word disagree in it. I think your definition of it is for me to stop posting and let you have the last word... that's not what it means though.

 

 

 

no, really I thought the phrase "agree to disagree" was agree to agree, silly me! :roll:

 

 

 

No, my definition of it is as soon as you say that I wont post again unless the aussie says something to me. Not all about you, ya know!

[Zierro]

Oh I see, In order for me to have read something I have to comment about. I get it now! I have read these points as many times as you have (or any body else has) posted them but my life doesn't revolve around this thread and I am human so I can forget things.

 

 

 

I know that you are going to continue posting here. I made an attempt to at least bring us back on topic so your posts won't be as spammy. You declined and pretty much said, "Nah, I'd rather post and be irrelevant than post about the actual discussion.": I think it's funny when people purposely abandon the original argument but keep arguing anyways. It kinda proves how you were wrong but you just don't want to admit it. Now you just completely shot your foot off. In other words, I don't think you can make yourself look any worse. Wait - maybe now is your chance to actually prove me wrong! :lol:

 

 

 

Please tell me, what is your reason for posting? I'm very curious. I am posting in hopes of having a discussion pertaining to whether alcohol should be allowed or not. Now tell me what you're here for, because it's obviously not for what the actual thread is about.

 

 

 

No, my definition of it is as soon as you say that I wont post again unless the aussie says something to me. Not all about you, ya know!

 

 

 

So I need to post a specific phrase in order to let you get satisfaction enough to finally leave? No, you don't deserve it and I don't really care if you post here or not - you're the one making such a big deal about it. I was just making a suggestion - if it bothers you to post so much, just remember nobody is forcing you. Obviously it doesn't bother you that much. You just need something to complain about.

 

 

 

Anyone who thinks drinking is idiotic is an idiot themselves and that's what I'm sticking by. I have many reasons to back this up too, but as you've said, you seen them so many times already.

[perfetc]

The first time you'd said the word "understand" after page ten was on page 13 or 14. You said it twice, then had the audacity to tell us to search how many times you'd said it. You clearly don't understand, because you keep arguing back.

 

 

 

I guessed at 10, seemed like a nice round number.

 

 

 

I would have done it myself but you wouldn't had belived I had said it.

 

 

 

I may understand that doesn't mean I agree.

[Tim]

Oh-kay! Back to the topic lads, don't make me summon a Fire Truck (level-130).

 

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[perfetc]

Oh-kay! Back to the topic lads, don't make me summon a Fire Truck (level-130).

 

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:lol: family guy!

[Kiriyama]

Oh-kay! Back to the topic lads, don't make me summon a Fire Truck (level-130).

 

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http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4400/image002lqh.jpg

 

 

 

Your post itself was spam.

 

 

 

Really, this topic has gone somewhat bad, so I'll throw in some input on things.

 

 

 

Perfetc, you have been given reasons multiple times, yet you continue to ignore, and have the nerve to then ask for reasons why drinking is a good thing. So, I'll state what I believe to be the main one, and put in some personal input.

 

 

 

The main reason, I believe, is that of many things. Simply, it is a social activity. Whether you are going to a party, or going down the local pub with some mates. Alcohol can help you relax, and while too much of it can make you do embarrasing things, those who drink responsibly vastly outnumber those who do not.

 

 

 

However, I will agree that those who do go overboard on drinking are seen more often, via the media and such, however, that's because that is what the programme is aimed to show, not because it is a factual representation of drinking. Infact, amongst younger ages here, drinking is becoming more of a problem, irresponsible teens, who are underage, are drinking, and getting drunk. Infact, I was viewed as strange by someone I know simply because I do not drink.

 

 

 

Also, it's been brought up before, "Why 21?" Some 21 year olds are proven them as irresponsible as younger people when it comes to drinking. Infact, it seems to be in the prime age group for problems arising from a night out.

 

 

 

I've seen someone get a bottle thrown at them, it's not a good sight, if I had to guess the ages, they appeared to be in the 20-21 age range, and that's here in Scotland where the age is 18.

 

 

 

So, why do we have these problems? Simple. Lack of education. Through school, we were likely taught that alcohol was this evil substance that did all these bad things. Infact, I do not remember once being told the positive side of alcohol consumption. It's all fear tactics, hoping that we will be responsible. However, when we do get to consume alcohol, we think "Hey, this isn't as bad as they said. I'll keep drinking." Unfortunately, that seems to be the problem.

 

 

 

We once had a police officer come into the school to educate us about alcohol. He asked a valid question "Why do people drink [cheap brand name]?" The reply? "It's cheap and gets you hammered." This is a terrible attitude to have. Of course, we were taught about the dangers of over consumption then, however, he did not try to stop us drinking, rather, tried to get us to drink responsibly. Not demonizing alcohol as this bad thing, but rather as something that has both the positive and negative sides. This was to a bunch of 16/17 year olds. (Some may have been 15, and one I know was definately 18, but it's the way the school system is).

 

 

 

This is probably the best I can think of at this moment.

 

 

 

And may I ask, who was this Aussie you were referring to? Surely if you wanted a reply from them, it would be best to make the effort to find the person, and pm them your thoughts.

[perfetc]

Oh-kay! Back to the topic lads, don't make me summon a Fire Truck (level-130).

 

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http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4400/image002lqh.jpg

 

 

 

Your post itself was spam.

 

 

 

Really, this topic has gone somewhat bad, so I'll throw in some input on things.

 

 

 

Perfetc, you have been given reasons multiple times, yet you continue to ignore, and have the nerve to then ask for reasons why drinking is a good thing. So, I'll state what I believe to be the main one, and put in some personal input.

 

 

 

The main reason, I believe, is that of many things. Simply, it is a social activity. Whether you are going to a party, or going down the local pub with some mates. Alcohol can help you relax, and while too much of it can make you do embarrasing things, those who drink responsibly vastly outnumber those who do not.

 

 

 

However, I will agree that those who do go overboard on drinking are seen more often, via the media and such, however, that's because that is what the programme is aimed to show, not because it is a factual representation of drinking. Infact, amongst younger ages here, drinking is becoming more of a problem, irresponsible teens, who are underage, are drinking, and getting drunk. Infact, I was viewed as strange by someone I know simply because I do not drink.

 

 

 

Also, it's been brought up before, "Why 21?" Some 21 year olds are proven them as irresponsible as younger people when it comes to drinking. Infact, it seems to be in the prime age group for problems arising from a night out.

 

 

 

I've seen someone get a bottle thrown at them, it's not a good sight, if I had to guess the ages, they appeared to be in the 20-21 age range, and that's here in Scotland where the age is 18.

 

 

 

So, why do we have these problems? Simple. Lack of education. Through school, we were likely taught that alcohol was this evil substance that did all these bad things. Infact, I do not remember once being told the positive side of alcohol consumption. It's all fear tactics, hoping that we will be responsible. However, when we do get to consume alcohol, we think "Hey, this isn't as bad as they said. I'll keep drinking." Unfortunately, that seems to be the problem.

 

 

 

We once had a police officer come into the school to educate us about alcohol. He asked a valid question "Why do people drink [cheap brand name]?" The reply? "It's cheap and gets you hammered." This is a terrible attitude to have. Of course, we were taught about the dangers of over consumption then, however, he did not try to stop us drinking, rather, tried to get us to drink responsibly. Not demonizing alcohol as this bad thing, but rather as something that has both the positive and negative sides. This was to a bunch of 16/17 year olds. (Some may have been 15, and one I know was definately 18, but it's the way the school system is).

 

 

 

This is probably the best I can think of at this moment.

 

 

 

And may I ask, who was this Aussie you were referring to? Surely if you wanted a reply from them, it would be best to make the effort to find the person, and pm them your thoughts.

 

 

 

I agree with everything you have said except 2 lines

 

 

 

1) "those who drink responsibly vastly outnumber those who do not." Maybe they outnumber them but it is by no means vast.

 

 

 

2) "yet you continue to ignore" I might not show it on here but that is wrong.

[Kiriyama]

1) Care to provide a source for this statement?

 

 

 

2) Had you responded to them, and not asked multiple times, then it would be clear that you had not ignored them.

 

 

 

And can you quick quoting every damn message, especially when it's right above your damn post?

[perfetc]

1) Care to provide a source for this statement?

 

 

 

2) Had you responded to them, and not asked multiple times, then it would be clear that you had not ignored them.

 

 

 

And can you quick quoting every damn message, especially when it's right above your damn post?

 

 

 

Btw my name isn't spelt wrongly, if you know what I mean.

 

 

 

Does he want to provide a source for his? Do you want to provide a source fo .... oh wait you don't have a point. Well done, for throwing more spam on the fire. =D> (didnlt need it btw)

 

 

 

I read them a few pages ago but since my life doesn't revolve around this thread (as I have stated before) then I don't remember everything that everybody has said since of course there are 5 people quoting me constantly on this thread (which makes you comment about me quoting have an effect on others aswell). I also said on multiple occasions I understand some of the reasons.

 

 

 

My answer to your last point is evidently ignored. No reason why I should be different from other people that do the same.

[Zierro]

1) "those who drink responsibly vastly outnumber those who do not." Maybe they outnumber them but it is by no means vast.

 

 

 

Depends on who you saw drinking I suppose. In my lifetime, I've only witnessed maybe about two people who can't handle alcohol. Everyone else seems very chilled and relax after a few beers.

 

 

 

2) "yet you continue to ignore" I might not show it on here but that is wrong.

 

 

 

Why did you want them so badly if you weren't even going to respond to them?

[Plugpoint]

Those who can handle alcohol DO vastly outnumber those who can't. Think about it, whether you like it or not the majority of people drink (all age groups, not just the 15-25 age group). Now, you said "maybe they outnumber them but it is by no means vast" - I can't really think how to word this properly, it's been a long day - if as many people as you assume can't drink responsibly, the NHS would be in complete disarray, in a state of meltdown. Common sense shows you're wrong. The vast majority can drink responsibly. Remember again this is all age groups, so this includes older generations who enjoy a glass of wine with dinner or a pint of beer whilst watching TV. And the majority of teenagers who drink will only really drink at weekends anyway and so it doesn't become too much a problem for most of us.

 

 

 

"Does he want to provide a source for his? Do you want to provide a source fo .... oh wait you don't have a point."

 

He did have a point, did you even read his post? He was pointing out why what you said was once again incorrect. Did you expect Sworddude to just go "ahhh that's fine, I'll just let the guy be hideously wrong and not bother challenging him for it"?

 

 

 

"since of course there are 5 people quoting me constantly on this thread"

 

Because every time you post, you post something which is usually a) controversial, B) biased and/or ignorant, c) just plain wrong, or d) all of the above. And it's not just one of these comments per post, you have an annoying tendency to make several statements per post which are going to provoke challenging.

 

 

 

Perfetc, I think you've made assumptions about drinking based on what you've witnessed yourself. You've seen it lead to violence, alcoholism and many other problems. You've also seen stuff on the television which is made with the sole purpose of converting the viewer to a cause. A programme about the dangers of alcohol will never say "but it's SO MUCH FUN!" will it? Just remember that not everywhere is like your area, and remember that the things you see on television about this subject tend to be a tad biased.

[perfetc]

1) "those who drink responsibly vastly outnumber those who do not." Maybe they outnumber them but it is by no means vast.

 

 

 

Depends on who you saw drinking I suppose. In my lifetime, I've only witnessed maybe about two people who can't handle alcohol. Everyone else seems very chilled and relax after a few beers.

 

 

 

Define "responsible". A few beers is far from from what most teenagers do at weekends. If people only have a few beers there would be no problems ever, even I can drink a few and not feel it.

 

 

 

Apparently we have been talking about totaly different things.

 

 

 

2) "yet you continue to ignore" I might not show it on here but that is wrong.

 

 

 

Why did you want them so badly if you weren't even going to respond to them?

 

 

 

So what you are saying is in order for me to pick something up I need to go in to detail that I have noticed that I have read it, if you read your post above were dark_Aura posted and what does the first sentance in the quote say? So we have been over this before.

 

 

 

If you remember I said I agreed with somethings and not with others.

 

 

 

Over fights - seems unlikly. generous - I can see this happening (buying a girl a drink etc). Open and confident - I think is sad (it's like being scared to be yourself). New idea's - seems unlikly. Ease pain - sad for not facing up to the problem but instead running away. Improving night - depends. The rest I have gave my thoughts on.

 

 

 

Is it all starting to rush back now? Like I have said were going round in circles, you seem to forget you were the one who said we are in an infinite loop.

[Zierro]

Define "responsible". A few beers is far from from what most teenagers do at weekends. If people only have a few beers there would be no problems ever, even I can drink a few and not feel it.

 

 

 

I already have defined it. The amount of alcohol doesn't really have much to do with drinking responsibly since it affects everyone differently. If someone drinks two beers and gets naked and runs around on the street, I'd consider them a less responsible drinker than someone who drank 12 and stayed relaxed the whole time.

 

 

 

The exception would be drinking until you need to get your stomach pumped, but that isn't a specific amount of alcohol - it's different for everyone. It really just comes down to knowing your limit, which is a big part of responsible drinking.

 

 

 

So what you are saying is in order for me to pick something up I need to go in to detail that I have noticed that I have read it, if you read your post above were dark_Aura posted and what does the first sentance in the quote say? So we have been over this before.

 

 

 

Nope, just that if you plead me to give you some information so much that you should at least have a reason for it. I gave you the information you wanted - which put the discussion back on track a little more but your responses consisted of nothing more than irrelevant flaming. I don't care if you flame me but at least complement them with some relevant points. That's all I'm saying. I'm trying to have a discussion about alcohol whereas you've given up long ago and persistently try to avoid it.

 

 

 

If you remember I said I agreed with somethings and not with others.

 

 

 

Yes, which makes it even more astounding that you still think anyone who drinks is an idiot. You say it can be used responsibly, but yet you think everyone who drinks is an idiot - whether they are responsible or not. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. If you want to call irresponsible drinkers idiots, I have no problem with that. But I ask this again: What is so idiotic about responsible drinking?

 

 

 

Is it all starting to rush back now? Like I have said were going round in circles, you seem to forget you were the one who said we are in an infinite loop.

 

 

 

They aren't "unlikely" though. I'm not even that big of a drinker but when I have drank, that is what happens more often than the bad things you brought up. And I only said we're in an infinite loop because you told me it was "rude" to not respond to our posts, meaning it would be considered "rude" for us not to respond back to you. It was sarcasm. I don't see how that is rude at all. It's amazing how twisted your definitions are. You think it's rude to not quote someone back, but yet you think it's respectful to say that you are an idiot if you drink.

[perfetc]

How rude of me, I must apologise. Welcome back from drowining your liver in booze.

 

 

 

Those who can handle alcohol DO vastly outnumber those who can't. Think about it, whether you like it or not the majority of people drink (all age groups, not just the 15-25 age group). Now, you said "maybe they outnumber them but it is by no means vast" - I can't really think how to word this properly, it's been a long day - if as many people as you assume can't drink responsibly, the NHS would be in complete disarray, in a state of meltdown. Common sense shows you're wrong. The vast majority can drink responsibly. Remember again this is all age groups, so this includes older generations who enjoy a glass of wine with dinner or a pint of beer whilst watching TV. And the majority of teenagers who drink will only really drink at weekends anyway and so it doesn't become too much a problem for most of us.

 

 

 

Yeah, the NHS can cope perfectly well :roll: I don't watch the news much infact it has been over 5 months since I last even heard the tune but the last time I did watch it they were struggling for beds and all kinds of crap that shouldn't be a problem.

 

 

 

Since you live in England watch a programme called britains toughest pubs, (it is narrated by that guy off 2 pints of larger and a packet of crisps), just look at the scottish section at the end.

 

 

 

I was taking into account the older generation but it depends on your definition of "responsable", mine is just above what the goverment set out, so according to that even people who have more than 3 glass's of wine with a meal is going over my definition of responsable but that is just me. Yours might be 10 pints.

 

 

 

"Does he want to provide a source for his? Do you want to provide a source fo .... oh wait you don't have a point."

 

He did have a point, did you even read his post? He was pointing out why what you said was once again incorrect. Did you expect Sworddude to just go "ahhh that's fine, I'll just let the guy be hideously wrong and not bother challenging him for it"?

 

 

 

Of course I never read his post! Who do you think I am! Shesh! :roll:

 

 

 

"since of course there are 5 people quoting me constantly on this thread"

 

Because every time you post, you post something which is usually a) controversial, B) biased and/or ignorant, c) just plain wrong, or d) all of the above. And it's not just one of these comments per post, you have an annoying tendency to make several statements per post which are going to provoke challenging.

 

 

 

 

 

All of that is your opinion. I think your a controlling person who can't stand any body challenging your precious alcohol since your determined to carry on this futile argument. I think that is fair you feel the need to analise me so I kindly returned the favour.

 

 

 

Perfetc, I think you've made assumptions about drinking based on what you've witnessed yourself. You've seen it lead to violence, alcoholism and many other problems. You've also seen stuff on the television which is made with the sole purpose of converting the viewer to a cause. A programme about the dangers of alcohol will never say "but it's SO MUCH FUN!" will it? Just remember that not everywhere is like your area, and remember that the things you see on television about this subject tend to be a tad biased.

 

 

 

I have assumed a few things, not all.

 

 

 

I also said that I knew/know that the tv programmes are going to make alcohol seem like the work of the devil (water boy reference ;) ) but they cannot make theat stuff up, it must happen. (I also mentioned this when I brought the point up for the 1st time) but people forget, like I have.

[Zierro]

I also said that I knew/know that the tv programmes are going to make alcohol seem like the work of the devil (water boy reference ;) ) but they cannot make theat stuff up, it must happen. (I also mentioned this when I brought the point up for the 1st time) but people forget, like I have.

 

 

 

It might have some facts but it's still propaganda. They can do that by specifically ignoring all the pros to alcohol and blowing all the bad things out of proportion. Yes, they might not be "lying" but they are still using a strategy to make it look a lot worse than it actually is.

 

 

 

For example: Did you know an average of over 100 people die in car crashes per day in the US alone? Cars are expensive and kill our planet. Many criminals escape from the police all because of cars.

 

 

 

Notice how I left out the part where it's the most convenient source of transportation available, it is extremely helpful when it comes to emergencies, and all the other good things? It's easy to turn anything into something bad.

[perfetc]

Define "responsible". A few beers is far from from what most teenagers do at weekends. If people only have a few beers there would be no problems ever, even I can drink a few and not feel it.

 

 

 

I already have defined it. The amount of alcohol doesn't really have much to do with drinking responsibly since it affects everyone differently. If someone drinks two beers and gets naked and runs around on the street, I'd consider them a less responsible drinker than someone who drank 12 and stayed relaxed the whole time.

 

 

 

The exception would be drinking until you need to get your stomach pumped, but that isn't a specific amount of alcohol - it's different for everyone. It really just comes down to knowing your limit, which is a big part of responsible drinking.

 

 

 

Again, your opinion.

 

 

 

So what you are saying is in order for me to pick something up I need to go in to detail that I have noticed that I have read it, if you read your post above were dark_Aura posted and what does the first sentance in the quote say? So we have been over this before.

 

 

 

Nope, just that if you plead me to give you some information so much that you should at least have a reason for it. I gave you the information you wanted - which put the discussion back on track a little more but your responses consisted of nothing more than irrelevant flaming. I don't care if you flame me but at least complement them with some relevant points. That's all I'm saying. I'm trying to have a discussion about alcohol whereas you've given up long ago and persistently try to avoid it.

 

 

 

Yeah, I am not talking about alcohol at all am I :roll:

 

 

 

If you remember I said I agreed with somethings and not with others.

 

 

 

Yes, which makes it even more astounding that you still think anyone who drinks is an idiot. You say it can be used responsibly, but yet you think everyone who drinks is an idiot - whether they are responsible or not. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. If you want to call irresponsible drinkers idiots, I have no problem with that. But I ask this again: What is so idiotic about responsible drinking?

 

 

 

Christ, you cling to that dont you, "You called every body who drinks on idiot" I bet it is atleast once a page.

 

 

 

I still think that cos dispite your good points you can do them without alcohol.

 

 

 

Get over fights - no alcohol needed.

 

 

 

Generous - no alcohol needed.

 

 

 

Open and confident - no alcohol needed but some could use it.

 

 

 

New idea's - no alcohol needed.

 

 

 

Fun - no alcohol needed

 

 

 

Ease pain - running away, the pain will still be there when you sobre up, you need to face the pain to ease it.

 

 

 

Relaxing - no alcohol needed

 

 

 

Improving night - alcohol helps some people.

 

 

 

(see all that was about alcohol :thumbup: )

 

 

 

Which means people pay good money for it cos there either have no confidence, selfish, have low self esteem, boring or they have no better ways to relax. That is what it seems to me any way.

 

 

 

Is it all starting to rush back now? Like I have said were going round in circles, you seem to forget you were the one who said we are in an infinite loop.

 

 

 

They aren't "unlikely" though. I'm not even that big of a drinker but when I have drank, that is what happens more often than the bad things you brought up. And I only said we're in an infinite loop because you told me it was "rude" to not respond to our posts, meaning it would be considered "rude" for us not to respond back to you. It was sarcasm. I don't see how that is rude at all. It's amazing how twisted your definitions are. You think it's rude to not quote someone back, but yet you think it's respectful to say that you are an idiot if you drink.

 

 

 

I don't think it is always rude but in mid-debate, it is. Now this debate is basically over there is no point really, if no body quotes me I won' post on here.

 

 

 

I think it is rude to patronize people, you said you didn't want to be patronized, that only leaves the truth but it seems you cannot handle that since you keep bringing it up.