Abstinence

[deathdrow]

Any school sex ed that teaches abstinence only is going to be useless so of course they should teach protection and such.

 

 

 

edit--condoms and birth control are both in the very high 90's when used correctly; I think they are actually considered to be 85% in non perfect usage.

 

75% if you don't know what you're doing for condoms, 98% if you use it properly, birth control (depending on the brand) is 99.9% effective, because their can be a fault with the pills, or something can screw up. That is if you use it properly, and don't miss any days, or screw up with the scheduling of it, and there's always a minor chance of a defect in the pill.

 

It's always recommended to use at least 2 forms of birth control, namely the pill, and condoms, or condoms and spermicide, or condom + diaphragm.

 

 

 

But this is all stuff I learned on my own, never had sex ed in my school.

[obfuscator]

Any school sex ed that teaches abstinence only is going to be useless so of course they should teach protection and such.

 

 

 

edit--condoms and birth control are both in the very high 90's when used correctly; I think they are actually considered to be 85% in non perfect usage.

 

75% if you don't know what you're doing for condoms, 98% if you use it properly, birth control (depending on the brand) is 99.9% effective, because their can be a fault with the pills, or something can screw up. That is if you use it properly, and don't miss any days, or screw up with the scheduling of it, and there's always a minor chance of a defect in the pill.

 

It's always recommended to use at least 2 forms of birth control, namely the pill, and condoms, or condoms and spermicide, or condom + diaphragm.

 

I've never heard 98% for condoms, condom companies themselves won't even tell you that. Do you have a source?

[deathdrow]

Any school sex ed that teaches abstinence only is going to be useless so of course they should teach protection and such.

 

 

 

edit--condoms and birth control are both in the very high 90's when used correctly; I think they are actually considered to be 85% in non perfect usage.

 

75% if you don't know what you're doing for condoms, 98% if you use it properly, birth control (depending on the brand) is 99.9% effective, because their can be a fault with the pills, or something can screw up. That is if you use it properly, and don't miss any days, or screw up with the scheduling of it, and there's always a minor chance of a defect in the pill.

 

It's always recommended to use at least 2 forms of birth control, namely the pill, and condoms, or condoms and spermicide, or condom + diaphragm.

 

I've never heard 98% for condoms, condom companies themselves won't even tell you that. Do you have a source?

 

98% is if you use them perfectly, 92-95% is if you use them good, I didn't write that out well. I could find a source, I read a lot of articles about condoms a few weeks back, I'll see if it's in my history. I also might not have remembered that correctly, I'll look.

[Dexek]

The problem I have with teaching sex ed in schools is that it is presented as a be all and end all solution to pregnancy and std's. I agree that a huge majority of kids won't practice abstinence, but the way condoms etc are presented is as a 100% solution, when it isn't the case.

 

 

 

People need to be aware that there are ways to be "safer" but that abstinence is the only truly 100% effective method, and then let them decide.

 

 

 

I believe we were told that condoms were 90% effective when the right size was used, and properly. Birth control was in the high 90's and a little math lesson that 90% + 90% doesn't equal 100%, nor does condom + condom. I think that's what we were told.. it was a while ago so the percentages may be off.

 

 

 

And what did they tell you about abstinence? :P

 

 

 

Umm.. I wasn't listening.

[1_man_army]

So my question is, do you think schools should teach abstinence or sex ed. where kids learn about condoms, birth control etc.

 

 

 

Sex education should be taught in schools not abstinence. Abstinence is a personal decision and whether or not a pupil is abstinent or not, they are going to become sexually active at some point in their lives so they need to know the facts. Often many parents don't talk to their kids about sex so they need to be given the information from somewhere and school is really the best place to do that.

[Laura]

I was really only taught the legalities of sex. For instance, my teacher told us that it was illegal in the state of Texas to have sex under the age of sixteen without supervision from a responsible guardian. Needless to say, the latter wasn't true but that's what we were taught.

[Dexek]

I was really only taught the legalities of sex. For instance, my teacher told us that it was illegal in the state of Texas to have sex under the age of sixteen without supervision from a responsible guardian. Needless to say, the latter wasn't true but that's what we were taught.

 

 

 

I wonder how many parents received a very, very odd request from their children after that. :shock:

[obfuscator]

I was really only taught the legalities of sex. For instance, my teacher told us that it was illegal in the state of Texas to have sex under the age of sixteen without supervision from a responsible guardian. Needless to say, the latter wasn't true but that's what we were taught.

 

 

 

I wonder how many parents received a very, very odd request from their children after that. :shock:

 

Indeed \ Also Laura nice triple post :P

[Zierro]

Well, it would probably be pretty pointless but it would sound like a more fun class than most of the other classes, so sure why not?

[o0omeg00]

I actually had lesson about sex while I was in third grade ( Holland's 3rd grade, we were all aged 14-16 then). We got this booklet about all known ways to have safe sex, and they handed out condoms (I still have it :oops: ) and we had to put on a condom over a dildo, blindfolded ofcourse. The best part about the lessons was that it was given by regular teachers of our school so it was kind of relaxed. The lessons were not all about sex but about a wider range of sexuality such as homosexuality. We actually got a lesson from a homosexual teacher about it =D>

[deathdrow]

Any school sex ed that teaches abstinence only is going to be useless so of course they should teach protection and such.

 

 

 

edit--condoms and birth control are both in the very high 90's when used correctly; I think they are actually considered to be 85% in non perfect usage.

 

75% if you don't know what you're doing for condoms, 98% if you use it properly, birth control (depending on the brand) is 99.9% effective, because their can be a fault with the pills, or something can screw up. That is if you use it properly, and don't miss any days, or screw up with the scheduling of it, and there's always a minor chance of a defect in the pill.

 

It's always recommended to use at least 2 forms of birth control, namely the pill, and condoms, or condoms and spermicide, or condom + diaphragm.

 

I've never heard 98% for condoms, condom companies themselves won't even tell you that. Do you have a source?

 

98% is if you use them perfectly, 92-95% is if you use them good, I didn't write that out well. I could find a source, I read a lot of articles about condoms a few weeks back, I'll see if it's in my history. I also might not have remembered that correctly, I'll look.

 

Can't find it, disregard the 98% thing.

[obfuscator]

Any school sex ed that teaches abstinence only is going to be useless so of course they should teach protection and such.

 

 

 

edit--condoms and birth control are both in the very high 90's when used correctly; I think they are actually considered to be 85% in non perfect usage.

 

75% if you don't know what you're doing for condoms, 98% if you use it properly, birth control (depending on the brand) is 99.9% effective, because their can be a fault with the pills, or something can screw up. That is if you use it properly, and don't miss any days, or screw up with the scheduling of it, and there's always a minor chance of a defect in the pill.

 

It's always recommended to use at least 2 forms of birth control, namely the pill, and condoms, or condoms and spermicide, or condom + diaphragm.

 

I've never heard 98% for condoms, condom companies themselves won't even tell you that. Do you have a source?

 

98% is if you use them perfectly, 92-95% is if you use them good, I didn't write that out well. I could find a source, I read a lot of articles about condoms a few weeks back, I'll see if it's in my history. I also might not have remembered that correctly, I'll look.

 

Can't find it, disregard the 98% thing.

 

Ok. The highest I've heard is 90% if used 100% correctly.

[deathdrow]

Any school sex ed that teaches abstinence only is going to be useless so of course they should teach protection and such.

 

 

 

edit--condoms and birth control are both in the very high 90's when used correctly; I think they are actually considered to be 85% in non perfect usage.

 

75% if you don't know what you're doing for condoms, 98% if you use it properly, birth control (depending on the brand) is 99.9% effective, because their can be a fault with the pills, or something can screw up. That is if you use it properly, and don't miss any days, or screw up with the scheduling of it, and there's always a minor chance of a defect in the pill.

 

It's always recommended to use at least 2 forms of birth control, namely the pill, and condoms, or condoms and spermicide, or condom + diaphragm.

 

I've never heard 98% for condoms, condom companies themselves won't even tell you that. Do you have a source?

 

98% is if you use them perfectly, 92-95% is if you use them good, I didn't write that out well. I could find a source, I read a lot of articles about condoms a few weeks back, I'll see if it's in my history. I also might not have remembered that correctly, I'll look.

 

Can't find it, disregard the 98% thing.

 

Ok. The highest I've heard is 90% if used 100% correctly.

 

I know for sure it's 92-95% effective if you use it 100% correctly, I've seen it on many different websites, and booklets/pamphlets in the doctor's office. Also, my doctor told me so. But then again that might be with spermicidal lube.

[Nom]

Regarding the birth control statistics, I remember there being a table of the different methods in my AP Bio book. Condoms were around 95%, the pill a bit higher (98%).

[deathdrow]

Regarding the birth control statistics, I remember there being a table of the different methods in my AP Bio book. Condoms were around 95%, the pill a bit higher (98%).

 

It all depends on the brand, some brands pills are only 80% effective, and some are 99.9 percent effective.

[Napalm]

Abstinence is the only truly 100% effective method.

 

 

 

Didn't work for Virgin Mary :shame:

[Laura]

I was really only taught the legalities of sex. For instance, my teacher told us that it was illegal in the state of Texas to have sex under the age of sixteen without supervision from a responsible guardian. Needless to say, the latter wasn't true but that's what we were taught.

 

 

 

I wonder how many parents received a very, very odd request from their children after that. :shock:

 

Indeed \ Also Laura nice triple post :P

Sorry, I was uploading stuff when posting. I got angry at my internet and threw my mouse at the wall, only after clicking frivolously.

 

Regarding the birth control statistics, I remember there being a table of the different methods in my AP Bio book. Condoms were around 95%, the pill a bit higher (98%).

Under typical use, condoms can be as low as 86% effective [1].

[Kiriyama]

Abstinence is the only truly 100% effective method.

 

 

 

Didn't work for Virgin Mary :shame:

 

 

 

Oh yeah.

 

 

 

Cause the Bible is really a factual book :roll:.

 

 

 

Seriously, why bring that up? Trying to be funny?

[obfuscator]

Abstinence is the only truly 100% effective method.

 

 

 

Didn't work for Virgin Mary :shame:

 

 

 

Oh yeah.

 

 

 

Cause the Bible is really a factual book :roll:.

 

 

 

Seriously, why bring that up? Trying to be funny?

 

Abstinence being 100% effective is a fact in no way influenced by religion. :thumbup:

[Laura]

You don't always have to participate in sexual intercourse to get pregnant, religion aside.

[deathdrow]

You don't always have to participate in sexual intercourse to get pregnant, religion aside.

 

I know of a few other ways that a girl can get pregnant, but what ones do you know of?

[Alg]

 

So are you saying that schools should hand out condoms to kids? that they should be free in any store? not neccessarily disagreeing, just interested to hear what you say

 

They did that at my high school :lol: For sex ed they stressed that there was a clinic on/near the campus where you could get all that for free/cheap, and even gave the phone number

[obfuscator]

You don't always have to participate in sexual intercourse to get pregnant, religion aside.

 

I know of a few other ways that a girl can get pregnant, but what ones do you know of?

 

Explain? I can think of a few things but they are pretty out there.

[Orpheus]

You don't always have to participate in sexual intercourse to get pregnant, religion aside.

 

I know of a few other ways that a girl can get pregnant, but what ones do you know of?

 

Explain? I can think of a few things but they are pretty out there.

 

You don't want to know, and I certainly don't want to mention it here, it'll probably get me modded or something.

 

 

 

That aside, I'd say to just teach them that abstinence DOES NOT work. It's an archaic old mantra or doctrine that simply does not fit in nowadays. Temptation plays in way too easily, and it is pretty hard to ignore, which is why I hate it. I'll put things into perspective as to why I personally hate sex now: the goddamn 3 month [cabbage] storm afterward. I had sex when I was 16 a few months back, but too much problems came out of it for maybe an hour or two of fun. Mainly all sorts of drama and bull [cabbage]. And to top it off, it really didn't feel too special either, so I would've been better off just putting it off for a while.

 

 

 

Life story aside, abstinence does not work at all in most cases. And besides, there's one obvious, should I say, "anti-abstinence": rape. That just nullifies the concept entirely should that occur. I really don't wish it upon anyone, but this is pretty much one contradiction to it.

 

 

 

I'd rather there be teaching about prevention of problems like kids having kids and std's, it's just not right. And the parents should be the ones teaching it, not the schools due to the whole bias involved with the whole "no don't do it it's wrong" mantra.

[Wizz]

Don't they already teach us that? I remember that two years ago my health teacher showed us so many STD scare videos that finally I stopped caring about HIV. :/