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[Grim_]

Dear Grim,

 

As you stated before, Malaysian forces are some of the weakest in the world, "a small fry" I believe you said. Perhaps if you hadn't said this, I would be more inclined to take your threat seriously, but what has been said, has been said.

 

It is true that you have blocked off all transport capabilities in and out of my system. This, I do not dispute as my faction has no military capabilities in space. Yet, your threat perplexes me. You stated that the reason was because of my attacks on Earth, however, near the end it states my only option is to vacate Earth entirely.

 

Obviously, that doesn't seem necessary at all, and your threat is but a small compared to the other more "real" threats.

 

Perhaps you should evaluate your threat and explain more succinctly before you expect that it will be effective.

 

Sincerely,

The Magistrate of Warfare

In response,

You seem to quote me out of context my good thing. When I said I was but a small fry I meant in comparison to the great powers like brazil or the terran federation. Let me assure you that with no reinforcements you have no chance at victory and quite frankly never really had a chance with simple grunts acting as your fighting force. Further more I see no reason for me to have to explain what several thousand tons going at 1/2 the speed of light will do to a planet. Sincerely,

Dwight Sternbergh Malaysian minister of defense.

[Retech]

Dear Mr. D'wit,

 

As you have said, I will have a chance of victory. You have tried to prove your statement using the facts you know, but instead you have proven my statements using facts that you do not know.

 

I am aware the effects of a supercarrier traveling at light speed into a planet. However, there are several facts that you may have discounted.

 

1. The thick density of the atmosphere. Made of methane and other greenhouse gases, it allows the planet to stay warm despite its distance from the burning star which it orbits.

2. The planet is the size of your "Neptune", I doubt a single supercarrier would do much to such a large and grandiose planet.

3. The heat generated by the Supercarrier's rapid entry into the atmosphere would cause it to burn up like a small asteroid.

[Grim_]

Dear Mr. D'wit,

 

As you have said, I will have a chance of victory. You have tried to prove your statement using the facts you know, but instead you have proven my statements using facts that you do not know.

 

I am aware the effects of a supercarrier traveling at light speed into a planet. However, there are several facts that you may have discounted.

 

1. The thick density of the atmosphere. Made of methane and other greenhouse gases, it allows the planet to stay warm despite its distance from the burning star which it orbits.

2. The planet is the size of your "Neptune", I doubt a single supercarrier would do much to such a large and grandiose planet.

3. The heat generated by the Supercarrier's rapid entry into the atmosphere would cause it to burn up like a small asteroid.

Retech you seem to forget that the super carrier is going so insanely fast that it will not have the slightest chance to blow up. Also you would not be able to inhabit a planet the size of neptune. Simply put its gravity would crush you. Finally the atmosphere wont do the slightest to slow something of a super carriers mass as it smashes into its core. Sincerely Dwight

[archimage_a]

I somewhat doubt your planet is the size of Neptune. The mass of a planet that large would mean that the core would be solid compressed hydrogen...your civ would have to live within an intermediate zone to prevent being crushed by the gravity.

[archimage_a]

Ok. That, as they say, is that.

[Retech]

What do you mean "intermediate" zone?

[Grim_]

What do you mean "intermediate" zone?

He means that you could not live any where near that planet without changing to the general thickness of a pancake...

[Nero]

Grim, you made no mention of sending the Malaysian Fleet to his planet. So, unless you've managed to create an instant-teleporting device that is capable of making spaceships teleport, I'll have to say that your fleet is still where it was before.

[archimage_a]

Nah, trade negotiations a few days ago means that he does indeed have a fleet in orbit of Retech's planet.

[Grim_]

Grim, you made no mention of sending the Malaysian Fleet to his planet. So, unless you've managed to create an instant-teleporting device that is capable of making spaceships teleport, I'll have to say that your fleet is still where it was before.

Pmed archi with a battle plan about 3 days now. That is how we do sneak attacks ;) anyways its honestly 3 super carriers 5 dreadnaughts and a super freighter that was supposed to deliver waterfruit.

[Retech]

Is there some way to calculate if living on a planet the size of Neptune is feasible? Doesn't mean just for humans, feasible at all.

[archimage_a]

Well you could, but if you did then you couldn't live on Earth, the pressure difference would be too great.

[Retech]

Good point!

 

*home planet suddenly shrinks*

 

Is it possible to still have an extremely dense atmosphere like Neptune?

 

Also, I'd like to note that it seems like crashing a spaceship at the speed of light is a superweapon. :P

[archimage_a]

Ok, to resolve this issue about blowing up a planet:

Obviously a smaller rock would do the job, you just need to fire it faster. Taking mass dilation into account, a 5,000,000,000,000-tonne asteroid at 90% of light speed would do just as well. See the Guide to moving Earth for useful information on manoeuvring big hunks of rock across interplanetary distances. For smaller chunks, there are more options - a Bussard Ramjet (scoop up interstellar hydrogen at the front and fire it out the back as propellant) is one of the most technically feasible as of right now. Of course, a run-up would be needed...

http://qntm.org/?destroy#sec3

 

Also see:

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/jul99/931435915.As.r.html

[Retech]

I never said it wasn't possible or feasible. I'm just stating that it has no defence, so it should be ignored.

[Grim_]

Good point!

 

*home planet suddenly shrinks*

 

Is it possible to still have an extremely dense atmosphere like Neptune?

 

Also, I'd like to note that it seems like crashing a spaceship at the speed of light is a superweapon. :P

No its not as it has other functions I am just abbusing its power. Also it is by no means un beatable you would just have to shoot down the ship but as you dont have orbital defenses you cant do that...

[archimage_a]

There are lots of things which we don't have defences against, such as death, they are not ignored. The point is that you could have blown up his ships or called on an ally to help you destroy his ships or something like that.

[Nero]

There are lots of things which we don't have defences against, such as death, they are not ignored. The point is that you could have blown up his ships or called on an ally to help you destroy his ships or something like that.

'Cept he doesn't have any allies :lol:

[Grim_]

There are lots of things which we don't have defences against, such as death, they are not ignored. The point is that you could have blown up his ships or called on an ally to help you destroy his ships or something like that.

'Cept he doesn't have any allies :lol:

He did but then he had the bright idea of betraying them in a grab for more land...

[archimage_a]

Well yes, but like any issue it could have been resolved with enough effort...consequences and such.

 

By the way I can't start the report until this problem is resolved.

[Grim_]

Well yes, but like any issue it could have been resolved with enough effort...consequences and such.

 

By the way I can't start the report until this problem is resolved.

what problem? The ship attack can be stopped with some for thought by using orbital defenses or ships that are armed. The only reason he cant use those is he chose not to develop those techs thats all. It would be like me saying that doom cant put fusion reactors in her ships because I decided not to research them.

[archimage_a]

Sigh, fair enough. I will wait for Retech to make one final post then that is that.

[Retech]

You could begin the other aspects of the report, and we can resolve this issue later.

 

Just noting that I'm not sure you can shoot down a spaceship going at the speed of light. Wouldn't the travel be instantaneous to people outside the spaceship? Even if I did manage to blow up the spaceship, the flaming pieces of metal would still be flying million of feet per second.

[Grim_]

You could begin the other aspects of the report, and we can resolve this issue later.

 

Just noting that I'm not sure you can shoot down a spaceship going at the speed of light. Wouldn't the travel be instantaneous to people outside the spaceship? Even if I did manage to blow up the spaceship, the flaming pieces of metal would still be flying million of feet per second.

I think its fairly well accepted that our orbital defenses can hit things at the speed of light.. :unsure: anyways that could all have been averted by you building attack ships and striking when my ships slowed down to make the transmission.

[Retech]

Well I suppose that it's "possible" that you could blow up a laboratory breeding a deadly virus that is unstoppable, except for the fact that the laboratory is secret.

 

Also, as you've said before, your ships were already in orbit around my planet. Therefore, it still requires a day to speed up to warp speed. In this case, it wouldn't have been relevant that you told Arch, as it is extremely likely that people would see a spaceship hurtling towards their homes.