The_Mather1 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 If you travell beyond the outer edges of the universe (theoratically), you'll find nought, yet it is infinte. 0*0=0∞*∞=∞0*∞=0∞∞*0=0∞0/0=0=∞∞/∞=0=∞ 0=∞ Twitter: @TheMather1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Then divide by x....1=2=0/x(or just 0)Since your equation is 1x=2x=0(or 0x) That is where mathematics falls down...That was my point. ---- You can't divide by x. In this case, x has to be 0. You couldn't have divided by 0 the first time, because this equation isn't true unless x = 0. Thusly, you cannot divide by x Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Why can't you divide by X? If X was 1 then you could divide by X, but when X(which you are supposed not to know, that is why it is algebra...) is 0 you can't....Maths fail! We should rename the topic Mathematics :thumbsup: 0/0=0=∞∞/∞=0=∞ 0=∞ Nope http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mather1 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 ∞*∞=∞0*∞=0=∞ You can't deny the logic that both above imply that 0=∞. Also 0∞=0=∞∞0=0=∞ Thus 0∞=∞0 Twitter: @TheMather1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 You cannot divide by x because that equation is not true in all cases other than x = 0. The first equation was true in all cases, but you divided by 0, thus changing the equation. Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Anything times by 0 is 0...Also anything to the power of 0 is 1. Thus your equations falldown. http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Infinity cannot generally be used with equations. Since infinity minus infinity is still infinity, well...it really messes things up. Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Then the equation:(x-x)x=Or(x-x)(x+x)= Fails. Since it is not universally true. Since if 0 is used the whole equation falls apart, since there is no answer. The same is true for any and all algebraic equations... http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mather1 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 If we look away from the fact that in most uses [something]0=1, since that rule was created for the sake of creating other numerical systems, it will work.Remember (10 * 10) 0 times = 0. Twitter: @TheMather1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Then 0*0 infinate times will still equal 0... Infinity to its own power 0 times is 1.... http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Then the equation:(x-x)x=Or(x-x)(x+x)= Fails. Since it is not universally true. Since if 0 is used the whole equation falls apart, since there is no answer. The same is true for any and all algebraic equations... ----- It is universally true. Let's see what happens... (x-x)x=0(0-0)0=0(0)0=00=0 (x-x)(x+x)=0(0-0)(0+0)=0(0)(0)=00=0 Hmmmmms, I think I'm right. :P Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mather1 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 0∞=[infinte zero/vacuum] I think we need to create a new digit that is equivalent to infinte zero, else the answer of [something]*zero = -∞ Twitter: @TheMather1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Sigh... Yes... However (x-x)(x+x) cancels to 2x.Thus 2x=0If 0=xThen2x=xThus 2=1 (x-x)x is just un-expanded version... http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Sigh... Yes... However (x-x)(x+x) cancels to 2x.Thus 2x=0If 0=xThen2x=x <TrueThus 2=1 <False. You cannot divide by X because it is 0. (x-x)x is just un-expanded version... Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mather1 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 But, for example 10 * 0 = -∞, right? If it does we just fixed math. Twitter: @TheMather1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Sigh....You can but fine. 2x=xThus 2x=4x=16x=256x=65536x=4294967296x=18446744073709551616xEct, ect... Thus a computational fail, since the equation can never balance.Thus mathematics fails. http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 10 * 0 = -∞10*0 would be 0. http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 It can balance. Let's just assume this. 2x = (2^19235075892480572394752043957234) times x Then you bring the 2x to the right side. So you get a big number times x, = 0 Divide both sides by the big number, and you get x = 0. It does balance. X = 0 Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mather1 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 But if you divide by X/0 then you get -∞, if that is correct we just fixed the largest flaw in math since before zero. Twitter: @TheMather1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 I don't think so. We have millions of mathematicians pondering this for hours every day. Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Actually you would get2x = x (Since it is the most simple version of the formula.)If you moved the 2x to the other side you would get x = 3x...Since x = 0..... If you minused x from both sides you would just get 0x=1x then -1x=0x then -2x=-1xIt would just be inversing the problem.... http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Okay, please watch. 2x = x Subtract x from both sides gives you x = 0 Done Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Infinity is not a number. It is a concept.X/0 then you get -∞, X/0, in any case, is 0...Since if I have 5 apples and I share them out between no people then no one would have any apples...except me obviously, but I don't count. http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retech Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Actually X/0 is undefined. You can't apply logic to mathematics like that. On a graph, basically it would be an up and down straight line. Okay Archi, tell me this. If a line goes straight up and down, what is its slope? Master of your domain? I am Lord of the manor, Queen of the castle, King of the county! Former moderator of the original DungeoneeringFormer moderator of Ye Olde HegemonyModerator of the remake of DungeoneeringFormer Empress of the Lichten Empire (Hegemony)Former President of the United States (Hegemony)Former Emporer of Imperial Japan (Hegemony)Czarina Catherine of Imperial Russia (Hegemony The only difference between a disagreement between friends, an argument between strangers, and a feud between enemies is the ability to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archimage_a Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Okay, please watch. 2x = x Subtract x from both sides gives you x = 0 Done No.If x equals 1 then subtracting 1 from both sides makes 1=0. If x equals 0 then subtracting 0 from both sides makes 2x=xIf you want to be pedantic about using x as a 0.... http://www.uzzisoft..../archimage.jpegWell I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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