Gangs

[Abc1230]

To be honest, people like YOU make me sick. You think that just because somebody is different, they are wrong. The salvation army is a "gang". Should they be shot dead? The only group of people I can't stand is the kind that thinks they're better than everybody else. Unfortunately, this is 99% of America's population and is defenately a reason why we are so [bleep] up right now. Sorry about that, I got carried away.

No, just because they commit a lot of crimes is why they are wrong.

 

A gang is a group of people. "Hey guys, do you wan-" *gunshot* (You were killed for being in a gang.)

 

 

 

You know and everyone else knows what someone means when they talk about a gang.

 

You said "gang". All that is is a group of people. If you really wanted to rant about something, you would have been more specific (i.e. random drive-by shootings). You weren't thinking when you were typing the op and your true personality came through. You hate them because they're different. period.

[Dizzle229]

To be honest, people like YOU make me sick. You think that just because somebody is different, they are wrong. The salvation army is a "gang". Should they be shot dead? The only group of people I can't stand is the kind that thinks they're better than everybody else. Unfortunately, this is 99% of America's population and is defenately a reason why we are so [bleep] up right now. Sorry about that, I got carried away.

No, just because they commit a lot of crimes is why they are wrong.

 

A gang is a group of people. "Hey guys, do you wan-" *gunshot* (You were killed for being in a gang.)

 

 

 

You know and everyone else knows what someone means when they talk about a gang.

 

You said "gang". All that is is a group of people. If you really wanted to rant about something, you would have been more specific (i.e. random drive-by shootings). You weren't thinking when you were typing the op and your true personality came through. You hate them because they're different. period.

 

 

 

Like the above poster said, you're being way too technical. Everyone knows what you I meant, and so do you. You say I hate them for being different, but I've said nothing to suggest that. You don't even say what you mean by different. Do you mean minorities? Don't believe I ever mentioned that. Educational status? Never mentioned that either. They commit crimes, and they do it frequently. And by the way, I never said "if you're in a gang, you die." I said that would be if they attempt to resist.

[Dizzle229]

What is with you and defending the legal system tonight? :?

 

 

 

With the way our government works, there ARE things you can do about it. Obviously we're not going to have mass extermination, at least I hope it never gets to that point, but compare the current legal system to how it started. Most changes are made by specific case. Now I'm getting off-topic though.

[Giordano]

What a bunch of sheltered little kids we have in these forums!

 

 

 

Street gangs are just people with "different viewpoints"? They're criminals for Christ's sake! And, by technical standards, rebels against the United States of America if they claim land and attack police officers.

 

 

 

Gangs are so big because its easy to get one and it's easy to BE one. Chill out all day, get money by mugging some poor sob or selling drugs, and make through life without contributing anything at all to society. Does that seem right to you?

 

 

 

Even though I haven't been affected by gangs because I live in a pretty good area, I can recognize gangs as one of the major threats in this country, much more than Al Queda terrorists even. Just because they hadn't affected you, doesn't mean they're not a threat or people with "different viewpoints."

 

 

 

Oh, and the Nazi/Holocaust/Hitler arguments, although no matter no relevant, are really getting OLD.

[Dizzle229]

 

And Dizzle, I'm a proud American, I agree with the government. Doesn't mean I've been brainwashed, it's just I have utmost respect for the men and women that run my country.

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash the American legal system, I just think that it's a little light on some issues. As for gang members, I'm not saying they should all be killed, bu basically this is what I was thinking.

 

 

 

If they are known to be members of a violent and/or criminal gang, arrested on sight.

 

If they attempt to resist arrest, shot.

 

After arrest, if they wish to attempt to reform, they will be given the opportunity.

 

 

 

I see you made a thread, I'm going to go post on that, seems to be in response to what was said here.

[Lenticular_J]

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Anyways. We don't have a lot of people that are used to being a minority here, do we? Here's what I've picked up from school, should be about right...

 

 

 

There are a few gangs in Lubbock, a couple serious ones that control drugs. We also are learning of an organized crime syndicate that robs big shipments of iPods and computers and that sort of thing. Not a whole lot of gang wars, but a lot of people get jumped. I know plenty of kids in gangs, some have dropped out. A lot of it is just [cabbage]ting and getting high, but it leads to the serious ones. Someone's brother or sister might be in a gang, and they'll act like they're in one of their own until they're old enough to join the real thing.

 

 

 

Getting jumped is the only real thing to worry about. Car theft, burglary, stuff like that is only in the far-east part of town, where it's a real ghetto. Drugs trickle in, but it's nothing to bother you if you don't take it. But you'll get jumped for nothing. I carry a knife 24/7 now because I ride bikes and walk a lot with my friends. If you're in a group, you'll be all right most of the time. They're really cowards. A guy that went to our school (a sophomore, I think) actually sexually assaulted one of my classmates and got off with three weeks of community service because he was only 15. Of course, he wasn't so lucky at school - broke his collar bone for sure, then probably had a few other injuries.

 

 

 

The gangs are bad, but not that bad. Only the serious ones or real idiots will rape girls. Everyone here takes that seriously. Even jumping someone here will end badly, most of the time. It's pretty much a mess at school. Most of the fights are caused because so-and-so jumped so-and-so's friend, and then it just strings out.

 

 

 

It sucks. But I've never gotten jumped or anything, because nobody takes me seriously. A couple friends of mine have, though, and we've told all the girls we know to never go anywhere alone if they're walking or something. Gangs aren't good. Just my two cents from what I can see out my window.

[stevepole]

What a bunch of sheltered little kids we have in these forums!

 

 

 

Street gangs are just people with "different viewpoints"? They're criminals for Christ's sake! And, by technical standards, rebels against the United States of America if they claim land and attack police officers.

 

 

 

Gangs are so big because its easy to get one and it's easy to BE one. Chill out all day, get money by mugging some poor sob or selling drugs, and make through life without contributing anything at all to society. Does that seem right to you?

 

 

 

Even though I haven't been affected by gangs because I live in a pretty good area, I can recognize gangs as one of the major threats in this country, much more than Al Queda terrorists even. Just because they hadn't affected you, doesn't mean they're not a threat or people with "different viewpoints."

 

 

 

Oh, and the Nazi/Holocaust/Hitler arguments, although no matter no relevant, are really getting OLD.

 

 

 

Coming from the person who is describing gang violence like we should hide inside and lock our doors. Gangs do not attack the police. They have not seized land from the United States. The way you are making gangs out to me is like our government has no control over these people. Gang violence is an issue but not to the extent that most of you are making it out to be. Most gangs people are going to find are gangs that'll have more bark then bite.

[Giordano]

What a bunch of sheltered little kids we have in these forums!

 

 

 

Street gangs are just people with "different viewpoints"? They're criminals for Christ's sake! And, by technical standards, rebels against the United States of America if they claim land and attack police officers.

 

 

 

Gangs are so big because its easy to get one and it's easy to BE one. Chill out all day, get money by mugging some poor sob or selling drugs, and make through life without contributing anything at all to society. Does that seem right to you?

 

 

 

Even though I haven't been affected by gangs because I live in a pretty good area, I can recognize gangs as one of the major threats in this country, much more than Al Queda terrorists even. Just because they hadn't affected you, doesn't mean they're not a threat or people with "different viewpoints."

 

 

 

Oh, and the Nazi/Holocaust/Hitler arguments, although no matter no relevant, are really getting OLD.

 

 

 

Coming from the person who is describing gang violence like we should hide inside and lock our doors. Gangs do not attack the police. They have not seized land from the United States. The way you are making gangs out to me is like our government has no control over these people. Gang violence is an issue but not to the extent that most of you are making it out to be. Most gangs people are going to find are gangs that'll have more bark then bite.

 

Some gangs DO attack the police. Not all of them, mostly the bigger and serious ones. But they do. And I would assume if you claim land to your territory, it's against some sort of American law. "I'll just claim Texas and my gang will control it!". Of course, real gangs are on a much smaller scale, but it could give us another reason to stop them.

 

 

 

And guess what, we DON'T have control them. Gang members can walk by police stations and not get arrested, since they hadn't done a crime. That's what we're trying to change.

[Dizzle229]

 

And Dizzle, I'm a proud American, I agree with the government. Doesn't mean I've been brainwashed, it's just I have utmost respect for the men and women that run my country.

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash the American legal system, I just think that it's a little light on some issues. As for gang members, I'm not saying they should all be killed, bu basically this is what I was thinking.

 

 

 

If they are known to be members of a violent and/or criminal gang, arrested on sight. NOOOO. Innocent until proven guilty. If anything, accept that as the one "rule" a democratic legal system MUST have. If you have PROOF that this particular person robbed or whatever, go get 'im. But not until then.

 

If they attempt to resist arrest, shot. Only if they resist with violence. Don't shoot them if they just try to run for it, there are other methods of stopping them.

 

After arrest, if they wish to attempt to reform, they will be given the opportunity. Yes.

 

 

 

I see you made a thread, I'm going to go post on that, seems to be in response to what was said here.

 

 

 

Let the negotiations BEGIN! *trumpets*

 

 

 

We seem to already agree on point 3, so lets just talk about 1 and 2.

 

 

 

1. It's more fair with innocent until proven guilty, but let's face it, look at a gang like the Bulldogs. Most are willing to kill to maintain their own freedom, and all are criminals. The police on the street know who they are, they're proud of themselves. They get away with murders and assaults all the time, but because proof was needed, they got away with it for years. There has been a police crackdown on them for the last few years, which has helped, but they're still not being apprehended on sight and so they still thrive.

 

 

 

2. I can somewhat agree here, but since most police forces don't have a helicopter to keep track of the situation from above, chasing them down can be difficult and dangerous. Perhaps have officers in gang infested areas carry tasers, or one of the several other ways to stop them dead in their tracks without causing serious harm?

[gauper_kid]

 

 

 

What crimes? You don't see or read a whole lot about gang related crimes in your local newspaper or local news program.

 

 

 

 

I don't know about you, but I hear about gang-related crimes all the time.

[Dizzle229]

1. I meant mainly in gangs that wear a certain set of colors. Lets say theres a gang that wears blue. The police spot a large group of people, ALL wearing blue. I believe that would warrant at least further investigation.

 

 

 

2. I see, so find out where they are, and set up a capture operation, possibly bagging some of his buddies as well. Then if he tries to hurt officers, take him down. If this is what you mean, then I agree with you on point 2.

 

 

 

I'll be back on tomorrow, g'night.

[Furah]

Our freedom is limited: an American cannot join Al Queda nor make death threats against government officials.

 

Wait, so you can make death threats against citizens? Where do I get my 1 way ticket to America?

[stevepole]

 

 

 

What crimes? You don't see or read a whole lot about gang related crimes in your local newspaper or local news program.

 

 

 

 

I don't know about you, but I hear about gang-related crimes all the time.

 

 

 

Like what? What crimes? Where do you live where you hear about gang-related crimes all the time and do you mean by all the time? Every other day? Once a week? Every other month? How do you hear about them? I'm asking for details because anyone can say I hear about them all the time.

[Craiglowery]

 

 

 

What crimes? You don't see or read a whole lot about gang related crimes in your local newspaper or local news program.

 

 

 

 

I don't know about you, but I hear about gang-related crimes all the time.

 

 

 

Like what? What crimes? Where do you live where you hear about gang-related crimes all the time and do you mean by all the time? Every other day? Once a week? Every other month? How do you hear about them? I'm asking for details because anyone can say I hear about them all the time.

 

 

 

There are many places where gang related crimes are happening every day. I was in Fresno for the last week and in every nightly news cast something about gangs would come up, whether it would be a shooting, a drug bust, or even a report on gangs in general. Even in some parts of Los Angeles you can't go a day without hearing about gang activity.

[Will H]

I'm from the UK, so I'm talking about gangs of around 5 - 15 people, unlike the much larger gangs you see in America.

 

 

 

Having a group of friends in the neighbourhood is not illegal, and a very large portion of people do. It's only when crimes are committed that we apply the term 'gang' and the related negativity. I've heard that a great way to deal with them is have two or more police officers follow them constantly until they enter a private building/go away. It pisses them off to no end, and it's fairly expensive, but it's very effective in the long run.

 

 

 

I would really like to see more use of the Tazer though.

[Mollerz]

Gangs are a symptom. Fix social and economic inequality and they'll go away. As with just about everything, education is the answer.

 

 

 

Making it illegal just to be a gang member is a horrible idea. Essentially you would be convicting people of thought crime.

 

 

 

Indeed, and in fact in a lot of places, innocent people join these gangs just so they protect them. This would mean a lot of people would be arrested and these of which we don't need filling up our prisons which are tight on space anyway.

[stevepole]

 

 

 

What crimes? You don't see or read a whole lot about gang related crimes in your local newspaper or local news program.

 

 

 

 

I don't know about you, but I hear about gang-related crimes all the time.

 

 

 

Like what? What crimes? Where do you live where you hear about gang-related crimes all the time and do you mean by all the time? Every other day? Once a week? Every other month? How do you hear about them? I'm asking for details because anyone can say I hear about them all the time.

 

 

 

There are many places where gang related crimes are happening every day. I was in Fresno for the last week and in every nightly news cast something about gangs would come up, whether it would be a shooting, a drug bust, or even a report on gangs in general. Even in some parts of Los Angeles you can't go a day without hearing about gang activity.

 

 

 

Even the weather? j/k. I've been waiting for someone to mention Los Angeles just because South L.A. is notorious for its gangs.

[The Dark Lord]

Most of the time, you have to commit a crime to even join a gang. Thus, in general, most gang members are criminals and should be treated as such.

 

 

 

I agree, just making laws outlawing certain groups could be potentially dangerous. If a group of kids are together outside, the police could use the law as a basis for assuming that the kids are gangsters and arresting them, when, in reality, they could actually just be a group of teenagers traveling to a ball game.

 

 

 

The next question will be interesting. How do people who are afraid of potential thought-crime laws feel about hate-crime laws?

[Giordano]

 

 

 

What crimes? You don't see or read a whole lot about gang related crimes in your local newspaper or local news program.

 

 

 

 

I don't know about you, but I hear about gang-related crimes all the time.

 

 

 

Like what? What crimes? Where do you live where you hear about gang-related crimes all the time and do you mean by all the time? Every other day? Once a week? Every other month? How do you hear about them? I'm asking for details because anyone can say I hear about them all the time.

 

 

 

There are many places where gang related crimes are happening every day. I was in Fresno for the last week and in every nightly news cast something about gangs would come up, whether it would be a shooting, a drug bust, or even a report on gangs in general. Even in some parts of Los Angeles you can't go a day without hearing about gang activity.

 

 

 

Even the weather? j/k. I've been waiting for someone to mention Los Angeles just because South L.A. is notorious for its gangs.

 

South LA, East LA, Orange, Pomona, San Bernadino, Riverside...

 

its not *just* "South LA", gangs can be found all throughout the Los Angeles metropolitan area. Same goes for other major cities I'm sure.

[Kriegsmier]

I'm from the UK, so I'm talking about gangs of around 5 - 15 people, unlike the much larger gangs you see in America.

 

 

 

Having a group of friends in the neighbourhood is not illegal, and a very large portion of people do. It's only when crimes are committed that we apply the term 'gang' and the related negativity. I've heard that a great way to deal with them is have two or more police officers follow them constantly until they enter a private building/go away. It pisses them off to no end, and it's fairly expensive, but it's very effective in the long run.

 

 

 

I would really like to see more use of the Tazer though.

 

 

 

Whats the Tazer going to do? Shoot them or taze them it doesn't matter, they are still going to hate Police afterwards. When do you want to see the tazer used? Just out on the street whenever they are hanging around? After a crime? You don't specify. In most cases using it to move them along to somewhere else would be police brutality. Also you're talking about people, at least in the US, with semi automatic pistols, shotguns, and submachine guns.

 

 

 

Our major problems started in LA and have since moved across the country where those gangs established sets in various cities around the US. You also have the very violent Mexican gang population spreading North into the US.

[abbydog95]

They should be arrested by using sting operations to locate alot of the hang outs and torch them to the ground on a busy meeting or something.

[1roddad1]

This just makes me think about our legal system. In other countries your hand/arm is chopped off for stealing, and violating someone can cause death.

 

 

 

In our system, welcome to three free square meals a day, a roof, and a gym.

 

 

 

America's punishment system= :thumbdown:

 

America's tracking/capturing system= :thumbup:

[BlueLancer]

Stealing is illegal and warrants imprisonment like the other crimes the gang might commit during the commission of theft such as violence. But it seems clear you haven't even attempted to find out these people's backgrounds and motives.

 

 

 

Brutal gangs develop without exception in poor areas and neighbourhoods in all countries. They are a statistic present wherever social inequality is massive. Real gangs (with the exception of some petty pot dealers) don't exist in normal environments with healthy education and employment opportunities. These are youngsters who even the educational system *expects* to fail.

 

 

 

All people need to eat and feed their family regardless of the job situation or other external factors. Humans are biological creatures. If given no other option and the welfare isn't enough to stay alive, they *will* gather those resources from people who are better off, such as banks, stores, or in some cases other people.

 

 

 

In an area of Russia where people earn an average of $60 per month and unemployment is roughly 70%, how can you judge the people who steal the town mayor's $100k BMW and sell the parts to split profits? This is a natural reaction when confronted with gross power imbalance anywhere in nature. If a lion has a dozen slain zebras all to himself while 20 hungry cubs have nothing, what do you think is going to happen as a matter of time?

 

 

 

No, I don't defend them. I also worked for private security & met some of those people. I just think you don't want to handle the truth objectively and find out _why_ the gangs exist. It's out of necessity.

[abbydog95]

This just makes me think about our legal system. In other countries your hand/arm is chopped off for stealing, and violating someone can cause death.

 

 

 

In our system, welcome to three free square meals a day, a roof, and a gym.

 

 

 

America's punishment system= :thumbdown:

 

America's tracking/capturing system= :thumbup:

 

Try going to jail for one day, you have to watch your [wagon] 24/7 you could be shanked/jumped/raped in the shower, and a whole lot of bad things. I havent been to jail ever and never plan on it, but its not a welcome ticket to free shelter/food/and exercise equipment...