Stealing HOW Many?

[Outsanity]

Today while I was woodcutting at willows some guy is using a Sacred Clay Hachet and informs me that it is far more superior to my adze and that I should use them instead. I told him that in reality the adze is better because it not only burns 33% of my logs, but also that the amount of Sacred Clay Hachets you can get from playing Stealing Creation, even while in a clan such as SC Claymates, doesn't really exceed the amount of exp I can gain in that time if I had just kept woodcutting.

 

 

 

So he becomes highly offended and informs me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Ok. I take the bait. I ask how many he can get per hour there.

 

 

 

"Well, I have 7 in my bank and I played no more than 20 minutes."

 

 

 

Really? Wow...fascinating...so what you're saying is that each game only lasted no more than 60 seconds since 14 minutes of 7 games would be spent on the waiting room period? Ok...my point taken, he still denies he is lying. Clearly, folks...he is. We all know 7 games in 20 minutes is impossible to achieve. It just cannot happen. Even if it did, you wouldn't get enough points to get 1 tool per game. So in short, his 7 hachets per 20 minutes was debunked.

 

 

 

He continues to deny. Continues to lie. Eventually get gives way and says MAYBE it was 30 minutes. But no more than that.

 

 

 

I then ask, "How many minutes did each game last?" He replies, "No more than 5 minutes."

 

 

 

So I say...ok...5 minute games times 7 games. That's 35. 2 Minute waiting periods times 7 games. That's 14. 35 plus 14. That seems like 49 to me. That's almost 20 minutes longer than you're claiming.

 

 

 

So I get called a liar, a noob, he asks me my age, I tell him 20, he says he'd commit suicide if he played a game at age 20...you know...pretty much the standard child behaviour you're bound to get from many players.

 

 

 

So then he decides that if he tells me his friend who played with him swears it took no more than 45 minutes for them to play 7 games that it would shut me up. Again, I say, "Well you haven't proven anything to me except that your friend agrees with you. You still haven't given me facts or numbers on how you achieved this." He fights some more, eventually I get put on his ignore list and he continues to talk crap about me without me being able to defend. Real nice, kid. Real mature.

 

 

 

All in all, I am annoyed, and I leave you all with two questions:

 

 

 

Why do people feel the need to continue to lie after their bluff has already been called and their "fact" debunked? What is it that drives anyone to get so hellbent on proving a point that pretty much everyone around them knows is a blatant lie?

 

 

 

My second question is: What do you think is actually possible with SC? I have played many, MANY times with SC Claymates and never have we achieved 7 games in 30 minutes. 1 hour? A little more possible, but not probable. I would say you could realistically play 5-6 games of SC an hour with a clan. What do you think?

 

 

 

Discuss and rant yourself if you'd like. This was just stupid beyond belief and turned into a large ordeal because the kid just couldn't admit he had lied.

[Boris5000]

This is why I use a bronze hatchet

 

 

 

But yeah, 11 year old trying to outsmart a 20 year old... I don't think works...

 

"Please, don't feed the trolls" comes to mind here. But you admit you did fall for the bait here.

 

 

 

Tommorrow will be a better day, when he tried to kill the kbd and loses all his crap. Just think about that and laugh.

[Outsanity]

Good advice. :lol:

[Bauke]

I have a question for you: why continue to argue with someone who is clearly an idiot? It doesn't matter if you're right or not, it doesn't matter if his arguments are invalid, it doesn't matter if your arguments are based on facts. A wise man once said: "never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience ".

 

 

 

Some people in RS should be ignored, and I think you met one of them.

[Outsanity]

Also very true. I guess I am just one of those people that thinks people have the ability to be open-minded. I know and am aware that I shouldn't have fought on the subject anymore, but in reality this only took place over maybe 5 minutes, and I wouldn't have been so adamant to continue to debate it had he not started flinging personal issues into the argument. It's fine though, things happen...or...idiots happen. I took the bait and for that I'm guilty but I'm just here really to rant and to ask the honest question of "How impossible is it REALLY to get 7 sc tools in 50 minutes?"

[fenrir321]

My stance on the tools:

 

Farming them is incredibly inefficient. Granted, you can do something else instead of grinding at the cost of less exp per hour, but it's much better to simply skill (unless you're using the hammer to train construction; then you're saving time and money, which is a whole different dicussion.)

 

HOWEVER. I once played SC for about 8 days straight before the update just because it was fun. I had ~23 tools in my bank at the end. From my personal experience, a clay hachte cuts slightly faster than a dragon axe, which is the same as an adze.

 

 

 

Bottom line: don't farm the tools, but if you do have them, you should definitely be using them.

[Bauke]

Also very true. I guess I am just one of those people that thinks people have the ability to be open-minded. I know and am aware that I shouldn't have fought on the subject anymore, but in reality this only took place over maybe 5 minutes, and I wouldn't have been so adamant to continue to debate it had he not started flinging personal issues into the argument. It's fine though, things happen...or...idiots happen. I took the bait and for that I'm guilty but I'm just here really to rant and to ask the honest question of "How impossible is it REALLY to get 7 sc tools in 50 minutes?"

 

I've heard about SC clans doing 12 minute games. If that is true, then you could play 4 games (well, less, because of the waiting time, but w/e). For 7 tools you need 140 points. 140/4=35 a game, which is not possible.

 

 

 

So even if he did play fast SC games, Id say it's not possible. Especially not when 12 minute games are considered the lowest possible (which I am aware of).

[fenrir321]

Also very true. I guess I am just one of those people that thinks people have the ability to be open-minded. I know and am aware that I shouldn't have fought on the subject anymore, but in reality this only took place over maybe 5 minutes, and I wouldn't have been so adamant to continue to debate it had he not started flinging personal issues into the argument. It's fine though, things happen...or...idiots happen. I took the bait and for that I'm guilty but I'm just here really to rant and to ask the honest question of "How impossible is it REALLY to get 7 sc tools in 50 minutes?"

 

I've heard about SC clans doing 12 minute games. If that is true, then you could play 4 games (well, less, because of the waiting time, but w/e). For 7 tools you need 140 points. 140/4=35 a game, which is not possible.

 

 

 

So even if he did play fast SC games, Id say it's not possible. Especially not when 12 minute games are considered the lowest possible (which I am aware of).

 

Is there a limit on the points able to be earned in the minigame? Like if you score X points, the game ends? If there isn't, I don't see how this is possible since the timer is based on a 20 minute threshold.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

I never really got into SC. Tried it a few times, but meh, I didn't care for it. So I trained normally. I constantly got these kids telling me how great it was and so forth. They kept berating me into paying the game for all the extra exp you'd get for the time invested.

 

 

 

My reply was usually the same: That may be true, but I don't want to play the game.

 

 

 

Talk about making little kids mad. What bothers kids more than denying what they're saying, they get more upset if you tell them it's true, but you don't care. :lol:

[Bauke]

Also very true. I guess I am just one of those people that thinks people have the ability to be open-minded. I know and am aware that I shouldn't have fought on the subject anymore, but in reality this only took place over maybe 5 minutes, and I wouldn't have been so adamant to continue to debate it had he not started flinging personal issues into the argument. It's fine though, things happen...or...idiots happen. I took the bait and for that I'm guilty but I'm just here really to rant and to ask the honest question of "How impossible is it REALLY to get 7 sc tools in 50 minutes?"

 

I've heard about SC clans doing 12 minute games. If that is true, then you could play 4 games (well, less, because of the waiting time, but w/e). For 7 tools you need 140 points. 140/4=35 a game, which is not possible.

 

 

 

So even if he did play fast SC games, Id say it's not possible. Especially not when 12 minute games are considered the lowest possible (which I am aware of).

 

Is there a limit on the points able to be earned in the minigame? Like if you score X points, the game ends? If there isn't, I don't see how this is possible since the timer is based on a 20 minute threshold.

 

Game ends if all resources are harvested. That's how :)

[fenrir321]

Also very true. I guess I am just one of those people that thinks people have the ability to be open-minded. I know and am aware that I shouldn't have fought on the subject anymore, but in reality this only took place over maybe 5 minutes, and I wouldn't have been so adamant to continue to debate it had he not started flinging personal issues into the argument. It's fine though, things happen...or...idiots happen. I took the bait and for that I'm guilty but I'm just here really to rant and to ask the honest question of "How impossible is it REALLY to get 7 sc tools in 50 minutes?"

 

I've heard about SC clans doing 12 minute games. If that is true, then you could play 4 games (well, less, because of the waiting time, but w/e). For 7 tools you need 140 points. 140/4=35 a game, which is not possible.

 

 

 

So even if he did play fast SC games, Id say it's not possible. Especially not when 12 minute games are considered the lowest possible (which I am aware of).

 

Is there a limit on the points able to be earned in the minigame? Like if you score X points, the game ends? If there isn't, I don't see how this is possible since the timer is based on a 20 minute threshold.

 

Game ends if all resources are harvested. That's how :)

 

huh, never knew that. So I guess it takes everybody to skill and no pkers? And about how many people does it take to pull this off?

[Bauke]

Yes, only skilling. I heard "1fastsc" and "2fastsc" are good cc's to work with.

[Moad14]

"Fastsc 123" is the one I typically use, because they're strict about the rules and are almost always active in Stealing Creation. On a good (e.g. crowded) night you can finish a game in seven minutes or so.

[Outsanity]

"Fastsc 123" is the one I typically use, because they're strict about the rules and are almost always active in Stealing Creation. On a good (e.g. crowded) night you can finish a game in seven minutes or so.

 

 

 

So that said, an average game including waiting time would be about 9 minutes each. That's 6.66 games an hour. But since you can't only play .66 of a game, and since those games are so fast you wouldn't neccessarily even make 20 points per game, I would say it is not impossible to make more than 5-6 tools per HOUR. This just further supports my original claim to this kid, which was that he's lying through his teeth...which...you know, we all are already aware of, but I like to have support to back up my claims. lol.

[D Jay99]

"Fastsc 123" is the one I typically use, because they're strict about the rules and are almost always active in Stealing Creation. On a good (e.g. crowded) night you can finish a game in seven minutes or so.

 

 

 

So that said, an average game including waiting time would be about 9 minutes each. That's 6.66 games an hour. But since you can't only play .66 of a game, and since those games are so fast you wouldn't neccessarily even make 20 points per game, I would say it is not impossible to make more than 5-6 tools per HOUR. This just further supports my original claim to this kid, which was that he's lying through his teeth...which...you know, we all are already aware of, but I like to have support to back up my claims. lol.

 

I usually get 22/23 points/game playing fast sc games that usually last about 10 minutes. If we assume the best possible circumstances, waiting in the clan area takes about 1 minute. That means 2 points a minute or 6 tools an hour. So, at least 70 minutes for his 7 tools. At 8 minutes/game excluding waiting times you could get 7 tools/hour, but that really depends on the team and time of the day so it's not really an average.

[HeadBandit64]

First of all, I would like to preface the following walls of arguably irrelevant text with this, you have won your argument, he simply cant get over himself... now I proceed to THAT part of my discussion

 

 

 

he asks me my age, I tell him 20, he says he'd commit suicide if he played a game at age 20...you know...pretty much the standard child behaviour you're bound to get from many players.

 

 

 

Rofl, I would commit suicide if i didn't play a game at age 20. :lol:

 

 

 

That said, I have read a few other rants like this and I may just be 16 years old but I think that people have the capacity to be mature at my age, its all about getting over hating.... something a lot of the online community cant seem to do -.-

 

 

 

If you are a hater you will always come off as immature in my book so I treat everything with an open mind. For example I used to be a very militant pure hater but I have since seen the light and realized that different people play different in my book (I am not calling you a hater here as you have clearly won a logical argument, the you is a reference).

 

 

 

On that note, I love to talk (especially to prove my maturity point) so if you want to drop me a line in game, just send me a pm mentioning tipit \

[Outsanity]

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First of all, I would like to preface the following walls of arguably irrelevant text with this, you have won your argument, he simply cant get over himself... now I proceed to THAT part of my discussion

 

 

 

he asks me my age, I tell him 20, he says he'd commit suicide if he played a game at age 20...you know...pretty much the standard child behaviour you're bound to get from many players.

 

 

 

Rofl, I would commit suicide if i didn't play a game at age 20. :lol:

 

 

 

That said, I have read a few other rants like this and I may just be 16 years old but I think that people have the capacity to be mature at my age, its all about getting over hating.... something a lot of the online community cant seem to do -.-

 

 

 

If you are a hater you will always come off as immature in my book so I treat everything with an open mind. For example I used to be a very militant pure hater but I have since seen the light and realized that different people play different in my book (I am not calling you a hater here as you have clearly won a logical argument, the you is a reference).

 

 

 

On that note, I love to talk (especially to prove my maturity point) so if you want to drop me a line in game, just send me a pm mentioning tipit \

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That was actually a nice thing to read for a change. The thing is, you understand that people make mistakes and take immature routes sometimes, but it's important to learn from them and grow as a person. Some people don't mature as they age, and some mature very quickly. I think what makes a person mature is the ability to have an open mind, evaluate themselves from an honest point of view, and to learn from mistakes they have made in the past. This kid clearly knew he was wrong, but because he was so young (clearly by the way he spoke of me being 20 as "old." Please...20 is still very VERY young.) he felt backed in and instead of conceding and admitting he lied, he took the lie further and further as if that would convince me he really was being truthful.

 

 

 

In other words, when a child lies, and a parent or other authorative figure catches them in the lie and gives them the chance to come clean about it, the child will often lie because they think they are smart enough to outsmart someone who clearly already knows they are lying. Children don't like to be wrong. They won't admit their faults. Just like this kid wouldn't admit his.

 

 

 

Granted, I shouldn't have argued with him after a certain point, but as I said once before, the moment he started to take personal jabs at me as a person, it grew to something I just didn't think was fair to let go of. Maybe that was wrong of me, but I don't know, to be honest. It can go both ways.

[HeadBandit64]

If you enter a debate with an open mind you will always win, no matter the outcome

[fenrir321]

If you enter a debate with an open mind you will always win, no matter the outcome

 

If all you care about is winning a debate, then you should never enter one in the first place.

 

 

 

Getting the last word in? That's a different story. \

[Outsanity]

If you enter a debate with an open mind you will always win, no matter the outcome

 

If all you care about is winning a debate, then you should never enter one in the first place.

 

 

 

Getting the last word in? That's a different story. \

 

 

 

I hope you're not serious. That's a really immature thing to say.

 

 

 

And he meant that you'll win because no matter if you're wrong or not in the debate, keeping an open mind means you'll be mature enough to accept that the other person was right, and therefore, are a better person than you would have been having the closed mind, and "win."

[HeadBandit64]

Its not a literal interpretation hence the part that says "no matter the outcome"

 

 

 

Pretty much what it means is that if you enter a debate with an open mind you can learn a lot (this is of course assuming one thinks knowledge is good hence the win)

 

 

 

and before anyone asks yes i did write that myself :

[Outsanity]

Its not a literal interpretation hence the part that says "no matter the outcome"

 

 

 

Pretty much what it means is that if you enter a debate with an open mind you can learn a lot (this is of course assuming one thinks knowledge is good hence the win)

 

 

 

and before anyone asks yes i did write that myself :

 

 

 

Yes. That's how I took it. :)

[fenrir321]

If you enter a debate with an open mind you will always win, no matter the outcome

 

If all you care about is winning a debate, then you should never enter one in the first place.

 

 

 

Getting the last word in? That's a different story. \

 

 

 

I hope you're not serious. That's a really immature thing to say.

 

 

 

And he meant that you'll win because no matter if you're wrong or not in the debate, keeping an open mind means you'll be mature enough to accept that the other person was right, and therefore, are a better person than you would have been having the closed mind, and "win."

 

That statement was tongue in cheek.

 

 

 

I don't tend to answer back just to say "alright" when the conversation is over, but I'd rather have the last word since it put closure on my terms as opposed to closure by the opposition's terms. It's like having the toilet seat up or down; I'd rather have it down, but I wouldn't fight tooth and nail over it.

 

 

 

Keeping an open mind is good, but open minds are more susceptible to being interrupted in trains of thought. In an ideal situation, both sides have an open mind and respond civilly, like on the forums (in the sense of "taking" turns responding. Flames not included). In more realistic terms, at least one person will have an agenda to press on the other person. As one with an open mind, it is important to keep an open mind because humans are not perfect, but it is also important to keep a partially closed mind to keep the opposition from changing your beliefs by mere expressions before you can even get a point across.

 

 

 

Be willing to learn but not to change very easily.

 

 

 

And winning by "learning" instead of by actual winning still isn't winning; it's redefined objectives as said by Skipper the penguin 8-) .

[HeadBandit64]

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Be willing to learn but not to change very easily.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kinda the point i was getting at

[fenrir321]

Alright, just making sure you knew that it's about the discussion and the information gained and not the good feeling from "winning".