Mandatory Sentences

[Guest]

A woman can get off of a murder charge by saying she had PMS. If you're not aware, justice has a cruel sense of humor.

 

 

 

Drug dealers create homeless people, prostitues, and - rapists.

 

 

 

So does the lottery, marriages, and a whole lot of other crap the government is absolutely fine with. The amount of double standards they have is disturbing.

I wasn't aware getting married would turn me into a homeless prostitute.

 

 

 

Your husband takes everything you own, sells it, takes the money and divorces you. Legally.

 

 

 

You are now homeless. Happend to a guy I met.

 

 

 

Prenuptual (sp?) agreement.

 

 

 

Alot of people don't have it. The guy actually wanted to get one, but his wife said "I can't believe you don't trust me!"

 

:|

[Omar]

i don't know really, i mean just look it at the point of the rapists point of view.

 

This must be a troll...

[FunPhish]

My brother got a mandatory 1 year and 1 day sentence for possesion of marijuana, but I guess marijuana is the leading cause of rape and murder right? They only make those sentences to scare away kids from drugs..

[Kenshinjapan]

 

 

 

Alot of people don't have it. The guy actually wanted to get one, but his wife said "I can't believe you don't trust me!"

 

:|

 

 

 

I think it's his own fault for being pressured into not getting one then. After all, you can't blame marriage for half the problems in society :| .

[JeremyM]

I don't necessarily agree with prostitution myself, but it's none of my business, nor the government's. People have sex for lots of stupid reason. Just because that reason is money shouldn't mean you get punished for it.

 

 

 

Hell, I know a lot of women who use sex for lots of reasons not related to love. My sister only ever give oral sex just so she can not have to cook. Makes him take her out if he wants a little of that. :P

 

 

 

Ew man, why do you know that about your sister and actually talk about it!?

[warri0r45]

http://www.btls.com/news/stories/police-find-bone-fragment-near-ca-suspects-home.html

 

 

 

So basically this guy rapes a woman,so badly, he gets sentenced to 50 years, but gets out after ten years.

 

 

 

Then he was convicted to raping another women, and gets out after only 7 months.

 

 

 

Then he kidnapped and raped a girl and held her captive for over 18 years.

 

 

 

Drugdealers get mandatory sentences for their crimes. So if they're sentenced to 10 years, they serve every last day. So do you think that rapists, who if we're honest commit a far worse crime than dealing drugs, should recieve mandatory sentencing for the crimes they're convicted of?

 

 

 

To answer your question in a word, yes.

 

 

 

Sometimes I think the legal system (be it in Australia or America, but I have a feeling we're not as tough as Americans on this) is too lenient on serious crimes.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

A woman can get off of a murder charge by saying she had PMS. If you're not aware, justice has a cruel sense of humor.

 

 

 

Drug dealers create homeless people, prostitues, and - rapists.

 

 

 

So does the lottery, marriages, and a whole lot of other crap the government is absolutely fine with. The amount of double standards they have is disturbing.

I wasn't aware getting married would turn me into a homeless prostitute.

 

 

 

Your husband takes everything you own, sells it, takes the money and divorces you. Legally.

 

 

 

You are now homeless. Happend to a guy I met.

 

 

 

You know Hulk Hogan? :o

 

 

 

Oh and Jeremy, I'm a female, so that's why.

 

 

 

And phish, that was one of my point. Drugs, which are not a great thing but not the worst by close have mandatory sentences, but rapists and murders have some flexibility. Bullcrap.

[Tribal]

My brother got a mandatory 1 year and 1 day sentence for possesion of marijuana, but I guess marijuana is the leading cause of rape and murder right? They only make those sentences to scare away kids from drugs..

 

 

 

He must of had a lot more weed than just for personal use then, because you're not going to get locked up for a year over a dimebag or 2.

 

 

 

In my state anyway, the felony amount for possession of marijuana is 50 or 52 grams, which is about 2 ounces , that's a bit more than personal use.

 

 

 

I'm not sure how it is where you live, but he had to of had alot to be honest.

 

 

 

On topic -

 

 

 

I think mandatory minimums should be done away with completely , every person deserves a bit of flexibility as previously stated.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

My brother got a mandatory 1 year and 1 day sentence for possesion of marijuana, but I guess marijuana is the leading cause of rape and murder right? They only make those sentences to scare away kids from drugs..

 

 

 

He must of had a lot more weed than just for personal use then, because you're not going to get locked up for a year over a dimebag or 2.

 

 

 

In my state anyway, the felony amount for possession of marijuana is 50 or 52 grams, which is about 2 ounces , that's a bit more than personal use.

 

 

 

I'm not sure how it is where you live, but he had to of had alot to be honest.

 

 

 

On topic -

 

 

 

I think mandatory minimums should be done away with completely , every person deserves a bit of flexibility as previously stated.

 

 

 

The person he raped was raped so badly he was given 50 years. I don't care how sorry you are, you deserve to spend every day of that in prision. Especially when it comes to rape and DNA. Not really gonna be getting a whole lot of innocent people, and rape is a horrible, horrible thing, almost worse than murder in some ways.

 

 

 

But hey, let's let them out cause they feel real bad and found Jesus. :evil:

[Tribal]

My brother got a mandatory 1 year and 1 day sentence for possesion of marijuana, but I guess marijuana is the leading cause of rape and murder right? They only make those sentences to scare away kids from drugs..

 

 

 

He must of had a lot more weed than just for personal use then, because you're not going to get locked up for a year over a dimebag or 2.

 

 

 

In my state anyway, the felony amount for possession of marijuana is 50 or 52 grams, which is about 2 ounces , that's a bit more than personal use.

 

 

 

I'm not sure how it is where you live, but he had to of had alot to be honest.

 

 

 

On topic -

 

 

 

I think mandatory minimums should be done away with completely , every person deserves a bit of flexibility as previously stated.

 

 

 

The person he raped was raped so badly he was given 50 years. I don't care how sorry you are, you deserve to spend every day of that in prision. Especially when it comes to rape and DNA. Not really gonna be getting a whole lot of innocent people, and rape is a horrible, horrible thing, almost worse than murder in some ways.

 

 

 

But hey, let's let them out cause they feel real bad and found Jesus. :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

I don't agree with rapists and murderers being let out, let me rephrase what I said. Drug dealers shouldn't have mandatory minimum sentences , rapists, murderers, child molesters deserve to serve every single day of their prison sentence regardless of if they've changed or not, as they've commited heinous crimes that should be punished to the fullest extent, in all honesty I think they should start abolishing the mandatory minimums on drug dealers and start punishing the other types of crimes I mentioned more.

 

 

 

But I do believe that every sentence deserves to an extent some flexibility, it just depends on the crime whether that person is let out early or not.

 

Sorry if the first post was worded wrong.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

It was a bit because all of my posts until then were also how I didn't think drugs warranted mandatory minimums, but how they had gotten them before murderers and rapists got them.

 

 

 

Personally, I think rape should be considered for capital punishment and qualify for the death penalty. If not that, if you rape a child then definitely should execute your [wagon].

[magmaguard3]

Haha he found Jesus...This guy is an example of an epic fail. But Jesus is ftw \

[stonewall337]

Drug dealers create homeless people, prostitues, and - rapists.

 

 

 

So does the lottery, marriages, and a whole lot of other crap the government is absolutely fine with. The amount of double standards they have is disturbing.

 

 

 

Things should only be against the law if they are immoral. The law is to protect the people, not attack them. That being said, rape definitely deserves a much more harsh punishment than using a substance on your own body.

 

 

 

You can't legislate morality, though they have tried with the outlawing of drugs and prostitutes.

 

 

 

I said it in another posts, the only things that should be illegal are things that deprive other people of their rights to life, liberty, and property. Everything else may suck, but that's a part of freedom.

 

 

 

 

 

Whilst you cannot legislate morality, you can attempt to control the spread of evil, or perverse actions. As a strict constitutionalist, I believe many things are legal which should be illegal. (Abortion anyone?) Also, I believe that part of the reason for such an abysmal fall in America is due to the removal of God from the public spectrum. Here are some quotes to prove that the Constitution was designed to work with a CHRISTIAN NATION. Look back at original intent, and not at history being rewritten.

 

 

 

It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.

 

- George Washington

 

 

 

"The United States in Congress assembled ... recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States ... a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools."

 

- United States Congress 1782

 

 

 

The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.

 

- John Adams

 

 

 

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

 

- John Adams This Quote is very very applicable to what I was saying above.

 

 

 

God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.

 

- Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial

 

 

 

"This is a Christian nation"

 

- United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892

 

 

 

"Without God there could be no American form of government, nor an American way of life. Recognition of the Supreme Being is the first, the most basic, expression of Americanism. Thus, the founding fathers of America saw it, and thus with God's help, it will continue to be."

 

- Dwight D. Eisenhower

 

 

 

I challenge anyone else to say that America was not created as one nation under God, and then back up and prove their point.

[Giordano]

I challenge anyone else to say that America was not created as one nation under God, and then back up and prove their point.

 

You're making prehistoric molehills into mountains, dude. It's a fact that this country was based on Christianity when it was made, but thats cuz everybody back then was Christian. They didn't expect atheists and muslims and hindus to populate the nation at such numbers today because people usually stick to their home countries or similar-religious states back then. They saw America as a Christian nations with Catholics, Quakers, Lutherans, etc for decades in the future, because a mass wave of immigration from Turkey was unlikely.

 

 

 

But now, with mass-transport and easy access to all over the world, time have changed. America isn't just for Christians anymore. It's for any morally-good folks who believe in a democratic freedom.

 

 

 

The problem isn't the lack of Christianity in the public, but the lack of the "motivation" they had to insist those good morals into people. I'm not religious at all, but I am a morally-good person. I was never exposed to religious text and the only time I entered a Church for religious purposes was at a wedding. So how to you explain this?

 

 

 

Teacher and punishment. Parents are supposed to teach good ideals into their children, and they and teachers have to regulate it. The problem of today is that these kids don't get taught these ideals, they don't get punished for wrong-doings, and they most certainly rub this attitude around to others and the media.

 

 

 

So, please, for the love of the Lord you worship, quit with these "America was founded by Christianity" agruments. Times change, ideas are free to adjust.

[Grim_]

Drug dealers create homeless people, prostitues, and - rapists.

 

 

 

So does the lottery, marriages, and a whole lot of other crap the government is absolutely fine with. The amount of double standards they have is disturbing.

 

 

 

Things should only be against the law if they are immoral. The law is to protect the people, not attack them. That being said, rape definitely deserves a much more harsh punishment than using a substance on your own body.

 

 

 

You can't legislate morality, though they have tried with the outlawing of drugs and prostitutes.

 

 

 

I said it in another posts, the only things that should be illegal are things that deprive other people of their rights to life, liberty, and property. Everything else may suck, but that's a part of freedom.

 

 

 

 

 

Whilst you cannot legislate morality, you can attempt to control the spread of evil, or perverse actions. As a strict constitutionalist, I believe many things are legal which should be illegal. (Abortion anyone?) Also, I believe that part of the reason for such an abysmal fall in America is due to the removal of God from the public spectrum. Here are some quotes to prove that the Constitution was designed to work with a CHRISTIAN NATION. Look back at original intent, and not at history being rewritten.

 

 

 

It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.

 

- George Washington

 

 

 

"The United States in Congress assembled ... recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States ... a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools."

 

- United States Congress 1782

 

 

 

The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.

 

- John Adams

 

 

 

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

 

- John Adams This Quote is very very applicable to what I was saying above.

 

 

 

God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.

 

- Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial

 

 

 

"This is a Christian nation"

 

- United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892

 

 

 

"Without God there could be no American form of government, nor an American way of life. Recognition of the Supreme Being is the first, the most basic, expression of Americanism. Thus, the founding fathers of America saw it, and thus with God's help, it will continue to be."

 

- Dwight D. Eisenhower

 

 

 

I challenge anyone else to say that America was not created as one nation under God, and then back up and prove their point.

 

While I would disagree with your views on some of these topics there is no denying that most(if not all) of the founding fathers were devout christians. While I do agree that any functioning government should have a sense of morality it should be up to a point. For instance I am fairly sure that the constitution specifically prohibits the encroachment of the government upon ones body (ie abortion). Also a population will most likely need a dominant religion (not necessarily christianity) to function properly as religions generally come with moral codes. The reason for the said statement is that the average human being is a greedy petty thief and unless faced with repercussions will not act in a morally just way. Well its late and I dont wanna add more so night.

[depresins]

I'm not a fan of it.

 

 

 

A friend of mine (who currently is in the Australian media for a new assault charge) was sent to jail for manslaughter. He was sentenced to 8 years, released after 3 and a half on parole/good behaviour.

 

 

 

Now, the relevant part. He was in a parking lot with some friends when a group of guys pulled knives on them, tried to rob them and stabbed him. He kicked on of them, who fell down and hit his head on the gutter. He then went to sleep for 20 hours in his car. He had irreversible brain damage and died of his injuries.

 

 

 

Now, not only do I not believe he deserved to go to jail for that, it would be even more unjust if a bloke who kept his head down, worked hard, even got a uni degree while in jail should be forced to spend any more time there because of a broken system.

 

 

 

I believe long prison sentences reduce the likelihood of rehabilitation and in cases like this are actually a step backwards. If a person has made legitimate steps towards improving their life then they should be given a chance before it's too late. I believe there is a critical stage in prison sentences where the person is able to change and they are often kept in prison long past this.

 

 

 

PRENUP CONVO -

 

 

 

I've met more than a few men it's happened to. Prenups are non-binding in Australia, so most people dont bother.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

I'm not a fan of it.

 

 

 

A friend of mine (who currently is in the Australian media for a new assault charge) was sent to jail for manslaughter. He was sentenced to 8 years, released after 3 and a half on parole/good behaviour.

 

 

 

Now, the relevant part. He was in a parking lot with some friends when a group of guys pulled knives on them, tried to rob them and stabbed him. He kicked on of them, who fell down and hit his head on the gutter. He then went to sleep for 20 hours in his car. He had irreversible brain damage and died of his injuries.

 

 

 

Now, not only do I not believe he deserved to go to jail for that, it would be even more unjust if a bloke who kept his head down, worked hard, even got a uni degree while in jail should be forced to spend any more time there because of a broken system.

 

 

 

I can certainly understand that. I would make it a point to say that I think the issue here lies not with his prison sentence, but with the notion that he was even convicted of the crime if that is how it happened.

 

 

 

But I personally, and I know a lot of other people as well as much of popular psychology would agree with me, think that you cannot rehabilite rapists and pedophiles. Especially pedophiles.

 

I believe long prison sentences reduce the likelihood of rehabilitation and in cases like this are actually a step backwards. If a person has made legitimate steps towards improving their life then they should be given a chance before it's too late. I believe there is a critical stage in prison sentences where the person is able to change and they are often kept in prison long past this.

 

 

 

PRENUP CONVO -

 

 

 

I've met more than a few men it's happened to. Prenups are non-binding in Australia, so most people dont bother.

[depresins]

It's not appropriate to say NO pedophile or rapist can ever be rehabilitated, but I see where you are coming from. This is why we have sex offenders acts that permit lifetime restrictions upon these people, because the urges are unlikely to cease. These restrictions with the threat of going back to jail are generally enough to protect the community for them to enter back into it.

 

 

 

Making sentences binding can ruin that window where people want and are able to change themselves.

 

 

 

In Ryan's case, the issue isn't so much the verdict, because he did cause the death and it is against the law. The issue was that he was in there past the point of rehabilition and it changed him in a negative way for the rest of his life. That will happen more and more often and I believe we would see an increase in repeat offenders.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

It's not appropriate to say NO pedophile or rapist can ever be rehabilitated, but I see where you are coming from. This is why we have sex offenders acts that permit lifetime restrictions upon these people, because the urges are unlikely to cease. These restrictions with the threat of going back to jail are generally enough to protect the community for them to enter back into it.

 

 

 

Making sentences binding can ruin that window where people want and are able to change themselves.

 

 

 

In Ryan's case, the issue isn't so much the verdict, because he did cause the death and it is against the law. The issue was that he was in there past the point of rehabilition and it changed him in a negative way for the rest of his life. That will happen more and more often and I believe we would see an increase in repeat offenders.

 

 

 

I don't evenc are if they can be rehabilited. In my book, if you touch a child like that, you're done. I'll shoot you myself.